Cariyaga
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Awareness is used in the form of Awareness + 1/5(3?) Tac Move against traps, which is what bit her against Arikada. That's what I'm concerned about.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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It was just a thought. Like if Keiko threw kunai at a lower-initiative Akane, Hazou should be allowed to spend his combat turn protecting her or something, assuming he's got higher initiative than either.
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I don't think we should do any medical sealing work at the moment. We are currently living in Orichimaru's old base and there would be unfortunate comparisons. We also still need to make money since Jiraiya depleted the clan coffers when he paid for the
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I think what that means is that the LBF seals persist in the sense that they can be used again, as opposed to (e.g.) skywalkers seals which cannot. It doesn't mean that they auto-reset.
I'm pretty sure this is right but @Velorien or @OliWhail can correct me if I missed a memo. If one of them doesn't then you should assume it's the case.
On any given day you can either do training or seal research. Typically we say that a given update is either one or the other.
You're welcome to suggest mechanics for it, although I'll warn you that the general sense among the QMs is that ninja combat is not like D&D combat. It's extremely fast and extremely mobile, meaning that D&D-style meatshielding / tanking is not really an option. (NB: We originally used the word 'meatshielding' in the TGER doc but that got updated to 'pinning' when we realized that 'meatshielding' was a misnomer.)
I seem to remember you saying we could ask for updates to be long enough to cover both? But I don't remember the details of how long "long enough" actually is.
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@eaglejarl , @Velorien , @OliWhail , Does Wind Wall work together with Skywalkers? Mari appearently spend time to learn new tricks with Skywalkers so she should be able to tell us. If yes we should probably have Keiko train it.
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Oh yeah that's a good point. Wonder if it would be easier for us to ask Jiraiya if he has such a license (for the Toads, obviously) and have Pangolins trade with Toads to cut out the middle-man.
As for the military engineer...building zeppelins? Maybe they could help with the manor, and save Jiraiya some money. Unless that's considered against-the-rules. @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail Would it?
Damn, I'd assumed it because the question @Velorien was answering asked if they needed to be refreshed after use or not.
What about...if you're in Close Range (to the person you want to protect) you can spend your Combat Action to defend up to one attack made against that person.
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That quote was replying to another poster who was asking if they needed to be reset between uses. Answer was that they were persistent.
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You think the MC regulates trade from ninja's to ninja summons?
Can we get a GM response on that because it seems insane.
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Not from a ninja to ninja summons, but from ninja to civilian market. Basically, if you got it through leet ninja skills and intend to sell it, you need a license.
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Are you agreeing with me, or are you saying summon villages are classified as civilian?
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Sky lantern - Wikipedia
They come in various types and can be made from a variety of different materials. If they don't already exist then we can invent them. We can also work on developing a version that can be tethered to a pole,rope or chain as it rises to allow for sending new seals up to stationary sky towers. Can also send other things with storage seals.
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The idea of a civilian merchant council regulating trades between god-like warriors and the murderbeasts who can only be reach via high level god-like warrior abilities amuses me greatly.
Or, in other words, why uplift Leaf and the elemental nations when we can uplift the Pangolins and Toads, and maybe get paid for it.
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Sort of.
The Summoner can do whatever the hell he wants with his summons, insofar as any random ninja could do whatever the hell they wanted while staying within Village rules, spoken and unspoken.
This Summoner can get however much product from his summons, so long as it's all for personal use.
However, if he wants to sell his summons' product into the broader Leaf market, he has to go get a Merchant's Council License, because that product is from Ninja MagicTM and therefore is regulated by embargo.
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No no, this is actually quite good for us. Instead of having to play the industrial sabotage shadow running game, all we have to do is convince the shit out of the Mercant Council and then we can easily and effectively ram through the Industrial Revolution.
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Hi, nice of you to finally join us!
To answer your points in order:
You don't need to kill civilians, but if the civilians don't want to use their skills they aren't likely to use their skills well. You can get ramen by coercion, but it'll be overcooked, undersalted (salt's valuable, yo), and that yellowish water is probably piss, to use the example from the chapter.
Next, if you're poor and have a family you're not likely to have the skills to produce a house that a ninja would want to live in. Remember that this is not the modern age, but rather the medieval times, where dirt houses were pretty reasonable, all things considered, and the cities were basically wooden and thatch firetraps. No self respecting ninja particularly wants to live among the filth, so they need highly qualified workers to do build a manor worthy of a ninja, and those highly qualified workers are likely part of the manor construction guild who are likely part of the Merchant's Council.
If that council wants you to stop, but you're poor and are going to do it anyway, you can't hire the ninja to protect you since you are poor, and the Merchant's Council is likely to have its constituent guilds make sure you can't buy food or get your clothes fixed or show up to work, etc.
If producer x of iron doesn't want to trade with me, I'm kinda shit outta luck. All the business in the area is regulated under these guilds, so all the iron producers and weapon producers are not going to sell to me because they're all part of a guild, unless I want to depend on a foreign nation for my weapon supply, which should be exactly as appealing as it sounds.
That is true; establishing cartels takes tons of coordination and power. However, in this age there isn't many people to control in order to have an effective cartel, so you could. However, try to use the ninja's power in any sort of directly threatening manner and suddenly you find everyone skilled getting the hell out of your village.
Increased productivity doesn't have to be zero sum for there not to be bad effects as a whole for the guildmembers. You don't need a machine that can do one man's job to replace nine tenths of your workforce; you just need a machine that can help one man do the job of twenty. And ninja are very good at doing the job of fifty civilians. Ninja are much more productive, yes, but not highly numerous and certainly not enough to maintain their current level of technological development.
As for something shady going on behind the scenes, may I introduce to you the Watchers?
Anyway, your objections are all pretty reasonable if not for the time period, and certainly the Industrial Revolution is going to throw this entire system down the gutters, but for now it'll keep our hypothetical earlier ninja optimizers from running the market so hard that we'd never be able to fit in.
Hi! Sorry, I should probably have made my first post more friendly. This has been the quest I've enjoyed more than, I think, any other. Great stuff guys!
I find your response unconvincing. I'm familiar with the idea of e.g. guilds in the middle ages. But that's an example of those in power consolidating it. Them punishing defectors is far easier, given that the government (local lord) might benefit from their existence (e.g. legible taxation).
Given that the government in this world doesn't benefit, and has a massive power advantage, some strategic application of non-violent force would be all that's needed to prevent the formation of a council like this. If the boss dude was embargoed, I'd expect enterprising competitors in other cities to move in - the boss doesn't have to permanently pay higher prices, only long enough to break the 'strike'. Or I'd expect him to bribe a few folks to be more cooperative. Or make an example of one or two 'enemy agents' and that being enough (because really, what the council is doing is deeply unpatriotic to the armed forces).
But I understand why the existence of something is necessary to explain the lack of past ninja optimizations. I don't have any sense of what another possible solution could be, so I'll end my complaining here.
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Wonder how hard it would be to give various merchants free innovations? Like, that would be hilarious, we're trying to improve their lives and they're all NO FUCK YOU WE DON'T WANT YOUR SHIT.
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Yes, if an update ends up being long enough then you could split it. "Long enough" isn't terribly well defined. It's pretty much a judgement call, but it's going to be at least a few days each for training and researching. (Well, research time is better defined.)
I've added it to QINOA.
No, the MC only cares about what happens in Leaf.
They do exist. Hazō referenced them in an earlier chapter.
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I think part of the problem is that you think Leaf runs Fire, which really probably isn't the case. The Land Of Fire, assuming it runs on feudalism, would likely have 1-2% of its population be nobles in order to run the country (basing this off of France, and am ignoring clergy and rich businessmen, who combined would have been 12%). In other words, there aren't enough ninja to effectively run Fire Country, seeing as similar nobility numbers would be 3000 for Fire.
This naturally leads to the conclusion that there is a government outside Leaf which helps run Fire Country, or at least only the upper echelons on Leaf actually control anything at all.
But to answer your question, I think the Merchant Council is a result of a rush job wartime mobilization effort; the First Hokage needed a productive economy fast, and he didn't particularly care about how much power he had to sign away to get them making more kunai already! Course, in the aftermath of the war you now have a massively empowered merchants collective stretching across the Land of Fire, which Tobirama really can't afford to rip up for fear of yet another war, and by the time Sarutobi rolls into office it's how things are doneTM, and doing something about it would probably lead to one of the first embargoes on record.
Any attempts to "teach the merchants a lesson" quickly gets spun into "ninja oppress civilians" and the martyrs are off to the races and your legitimacy is sinking faster than your economy.
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@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail Any chance we can skip the middle-man and ask Jiraiya if he has a merchant license to facilitate trade between Konoha and the Toad Clan?
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You are saying the merchants decided not to supply their military defenders during war time because they were pissed about war and ninja affecting prices? Can you imagine that happening in WW2?
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So what you are saying is that we can make all the deals we want in any other city in fire? That is only a day away?
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Yes, yes I could. I could very easily see people screwing other people over even considering how easily it could bite them back in the ass.