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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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I just had a thought.

Probably never going to be implemented in any practical manner, but...

All this talk about Kagome's tripwire seal being combined with storage seals gave me an idea, especially with the word "trigger" being used in conjunction with unsealing things from storage seals.

We've seen Tenten launch things out of storage seals. At the most rudimentary level, all we need to do is have a storage seal at the end of a metal tube, preferably rifled, that has a single storage seal that can launch a bunch of small rocks. Seal magic single-shot shotgun.

For a semiautomatic gun, we'd need a storage seal that could handle the single-object release while also launching it at a high velocity down the barrel. So with every pull of the trigger, a bullet can be unsealed/launched.

Dunno about automatics. We'd need a way of making the one-at-a-time unsealing seal detect when to stop.
 
This is update is great! Since we now know all chakra is connected.

That is a great starting point to figureing out how to steal memories from people via their chakra.
 
If you can't drain chakra from people without risking a world-ending cataclysm, what the hell is Noburi doing every time he uses his signature technique?
 
Cariyaga said:
Bloodline-based ninjutsu, not sealing.
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You typed: Bloodline-based ninjusu
I read: A template off which (with enough skill) we might actually create chakra-draining Seals. Being the first to knowingly create such a Seal because we have the fortitude of Noburi's willingness to help out as a proof-of-concept template
 
Once again, had to step away from the thread and catch up. One thing in the update stuck out at me:
eaglejarl said:
Hazou's messy handwriting.
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I know it adds flavor to the character, but does it make sense? With Iron Nerve, Hazou has no reason to have messy handwriting, since the first time he writes a character correctly, he can always write a character correctly. I guess I could see him taking shortcuts to increase his writing speed: if it takes him 1 second to write a character correctly and .75 seconds to write it sloppily (e.g., cursively, by not lifting his writing implement), he may well choose the latter and save time, especially since his sloppy version is as uniform and therefore readable (to him) as his well-written version.

In fact, I could see Kurosawas developing a shorthand style optimized for Iron Nerve bloodline, which could look like messy handwriting to the uninitiated.
 
Some random thoughts:

We should definitely develop sailing skills, and build/buy a sailboat. However, I have no idea how much a sailboat weigh. Ideally, it will fit all six of us and we'll be able to fit in our sealing scroll. Hazo might have to develop storage seals with extra capacity.

However, if we developed transformation 20 and learning to fly, it would make sailing moot, since we can just fly to wherever we want.

Even so, it's a stop gap until we actually do that.
 
Solonarv said:
I was going for Rust because Haskell is harder to wrap one's head around (though this may not be true for Hazō), and because it's better-suited for low-level programming and it sounds like that's what seals are.

Remember, the main reason you can actually use Haskell's safety is that someone else has written nice monadic libraries to interact with the OS at a low level (I'm talking file manipulation, networking, that sort of thing). Hazō doesn't have this advantage; he'd have to write them himself, and that nullifies some of the benefit.
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This metaphor has my seal of approval.

eaglejarl said:
It is not possible to create a new system of sealing that allows you to create a new kind of seal off the cuff with no chance of error.
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That was never my intention, I was going for a way to increase speed and decrease risk when developing new seals that are similar to older seals. My proposed crunch just made the RP count for modified versions of previous seals lower, and decreased the DC for not dying to seal testing failures. You still needed to research each new seal.

Honestly, the only difference between what you describe as viable modular sealing and how I was imagining it is a shift in terminology ("Seal Component" becomes "Seal" and "Seal" becomes "Seal Based Machine") and the fact that the entire seal-based machine was written onto a single piece of paper, rather than multiple pieces of paper attached together.

I did propose a "new kind of seal off the cuff" type mechanic for macerator seals. Basically, I intended different use cases for the macerator seal to be creatable on the fly (i.e. at infusion time without testing) if you have the neccesary payload and good guesses for the parameters. Even then if you tried to create a flashbang with molten iron and a macerator, you'd suffer a DC penalty until you performed actual testing and figured out what the best parameters are for that particular application.


@eaglejarl, @Velorien: A few questions
  • Is there anything in particular keeping multiple seals from being written onto the same piece of paper? for instance a seal-based machine with a tripwire and explosive seal written onto a single sheet?
  • Assuming you have correct seals, will attempting to combine them into a seal-based machine have a chance of fail-cthulhu-ing? (Of course, if one of the component seals is an explosive seal, the seal based machine might explode at the wrong time, but that's not what I'm talking about.)
  • As it stands now, do we have separate tripwire seals that can be connected to other seals, or do we have to make special "Tripwire + explosive" seals and "tripwire + storage" seals.
  • I know the storage scrolls we carry are limited to 1m3​ and 100kg, but what are the sizes of storage scroll we can make without additional research?
  • What does Hazou think Kagome's sealing level is? (Yes, I know that's an abstraction we use out of the story, but translating Hazou's in story guess into the abstraction we use seems reasonable.)
  • I'm not clear on what our current version of the macerator seal is actually capable of. How much more research is required to get to the version described in my sig? (One where we can, before infusion, set parameters for "particle size", "particle exit velocity", and "density of resulting cloud upon release")
 
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@eaglejarl @Velorien
Further Sealing Questions:
How much space does a Seal typically take up on a paper? Ex: Explosive Seal vs Storage Seal by Hazou
Do the more complicated versions take up a different amount of space for the writing? Ex: Storage semi-macerator vs Standard Storage Seal
Does having a Seal on one side of a paper affect a Seal placed on the other side of the paper?
If a Seal has been exhausted, can another Seal be placed on the paper with no ill-effect? Ex: Storage Seal on a paper that is set to only work for a week before dissipating a week later. Can another Seal be placed on that paper with no difference in risks etc. vs using a new sheet of paper?
Can Kagome place Seals on anything other than paper? If so, what does he think of our skill in Sealing vs. doing so ourselves?
Storage Seals apply forces onto the objects they store (hence our Macerator Seal working off that concept). Are the forces applied heterogeneously throughout the object? Just to the exterior? One of the two on storage and another on release?
Since Storage Seals apply forces to objects stored, is there a way to tell whether an object has ever been Stored? Would this involve an awareness check or a sealing check or how would this be determined? Ex: hey guys I found a kunai on the path here, it's got weird scratch marks on it that aren't the standard scratches from combat, it actually kinda looks like from Storage Sealing, info unlocked on the kunai yada yada

General Sealing tree - if it's not already on there, variants of Seals that we have with an expiration tied in. For example, some leakage of chakra from it and something that turns it off/exhausts it once not enough chakra is available

Also - Kagome said noone has been able to make Storage Seals that don't apply any forces on what they store. What if the Seal first enveloped the object in a barrier of some sort (like with the Force Barrier Seal) to try and prevent the forces from affecting the object at all
 
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Citrus said:
@eaglejarl @Velorien
Further Sealing Questions:

  • How much space does a Seal typically take up on a paper?
    • Ex: Explosive Seal vs Storage Seal by Hazou
    • Do the more complicated versions take up a different amount of space for the writing?
      • Ex: Storage semi-macerator vs Standard Storage Seal
  • Does having a Seal on one side of a paper affect a Seal placed on the other side of the paper?
  • If a Seal has been exhausted, can another Seal be placed on the paper with no ill-effect?
    • Ex: Storage Seal on a paper that is set to only work for a week before dissipating a week later.
    • Can another Seal be placed on that paper with no difference in risks etc. vs using a new sheet of paper?
  • Can Kagome place Seals on anything other than paper?
    • If so, what does he think of our skill in Sealing vs. doing so ourselves?
  • Storage Seals apply forces onto the objects they store (hence our Macerator Seal working off that concept).
    • Are the forces applied heterogeneously throughout the object?
    • Just to the exterior?
    • One of the two on storage and another on release?
  • Since Storage Seals apply forces to objects stored, is there a way to tell whether an object has ever been Stored?
    • Would this involve an awareness check or a sealing check or how would this be determined?
    • Ex: hey guys I found a kunai on the path here, it's got weird scratch marks on it that aren't the standard scratches from combat, it actually kinda looks like from Storage Sealing, info unlocked on the kunai yada yada
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I added bullet points to the above because the original wall of text hurt to read.
 
Can it be set it up so that a scroll would absorb chakra until it is full, then let it all out in one big burst that may or may not create a baby chakra demon or worse?

Also, if shadow clones are just chakra copies of their summoner's mind, can they be added to a limited chakra absorbing scroll so that the resulting chakra blast beast would have a copy of the sealer's mind?

Also, what about tiny storage and release scrolls? Lots of them, each one managing to store a small sphere of matter for a second before releasing it and then moving to store another small sphere. Having a bunch of these seals constantly moving in a circle would be like a giant chainsaw.
 
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misterq said:
Can it be set it up so that a scroll would absorb chakra until it is full, then let it all out in one big burst that may or may not create a baby chakra demon or worse?
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It is probably possible, but you wouldn't want to be the one to develop, debug and test it. Just think of likely gruesome mishaps!
misterq said:
Also, if shadow clones are just chakra copies of their summoner's mind, can they be added to a limited chakra absorbing scroll so that the resulting chakra blast beast would have a copy of the sealer's mind?
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Ditto. Idea has potential, but risk during seal development is too great. Having clone's mind scrambled and then reintegrated with your mind cannot possibly be good for sanity.
misterq said:
Also, what about tiny storage and release scrolls? Lots of them, each one managing to store a small sphere of matter for a second before releasing it and then moving to store another small sphere. Having a bunch of these seals constantly moving in a circle would be like a giant chainsaw.
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I like this idea, but we don't have seal-everything-in-a-radius storage seals yet. And once we have them, we can just make them big and use as bombs.
Your method is less effective, but I like the gruesomeness. :evil:
 
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It's a few days late, but here's a query for everyone.
"First rule of storage: understand how you're setting the boundaries. You can seal a physical object because it's got clearly delineated boundaries. I can seal the air in a certain radius because 'radius' has meaning in physical space. Chakra doesn't have dimensions, and it's all connected."
Yeah, but our waterboy's barrel is full of chakra-water, clearly not linked to any other chakra, right? And the only limits are 'time away from Noburi' and therefor 'how much can be tapped at once' and 'how much can be carried at once' as a secondary.
But we just talked about sealing chakra, and also storage seals. Maybe we could store the barrel full of chakra-water? Which wouldn't decay, because time doesn't pass in a seal.
Or would this kill everyone on the planet and/or vanish all the water forever?
 
Okibruez said:
It's a few days late, but here's a query for everyone.
"First rule of storage: understand how you're setting the boundaries. You can seal a physical object because it's got clearly delineated boundaries. I can seal the air in a certain radius because 'radius' has meaning in physical space. Chakra doesn't have dimensions, and it's all connected."
Yeah, but our waterboy's barrel is full of chakra-water, clearly not linked to any other chakra, right? And the only limits are 'time away from Noburi' and therefor 'how much can be tapped at once' and 'how much can be carried at once' as a secondary.
But we just talked about sealing chakra, and also storage seals. Maybe we could store the barrel full of chakra-water? Which wouldn't decay, because time doesn't pass in a seal.
Or would this kill everyone on the planet and/or vanish all the water forever?
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Barrel has seals, so yes it would kill everyone on the planet. Possibility in sealing the water itself, however; though, we'll have to ask Nobby. We should definitely look into creating seal patterns that others skilled in sealing can use to prevent errors. Or maybe even those not skilled in sealing? Though that would require significant oversight, and is not ideal.

I'd like to talk to Nobby about his seals, but... bloodline secrets, not touching that with a ten foot pole.
 
@Pahan His handwriting is childish in nature for he only had to learn to get the letter looking right once and has been using that ever sense. He has not yet had the pressure of other telling him to do better yet. He separated himself from the main bloodline to stay with his mom and thus was not given any training on what a future bloodline head of house should behave and present himself. If his ninja carer within Mist had advanced any further that this failed mission that made him missing ninja in the first place he would have encountered the pressure to improve his handwriting for official reports to the main office when turning in reports for missions.
 
Pahan said:
Once again, had to step away from the thread and catch up. One thing in the update stuck out at me:

I know it adds flavor to the character, but does it make sense? With Iron Nerve, Hazou has no reason to have messy handwriting, since the first time he writes a character correctly, he can always write a character correctly. I guess I could see him taking shortcuts to increase his writing speed: if it takes him 1 second to write a character correctly and .75 seconds to write it sloppily (e.g., cursively, by not lifting his writing implement), he may well choose the latter and save time, especially since his sloppy version is as uniform and therefore readable (to him) as his well-written version.

In fact, I could see Kurosawas developing a shorthand style optimized for Iron Nerve bloodline, which could look like messy handwriting to the uninitiated.
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Hazou writes in Grass script!






It's funny bc when you search for it you get links to calligraphy but also Python libraries :V
 
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