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[x] The Sealing.
-[x] Tell what really happened that day.
[X] Your Sight.
-[x] Publicize.
[X] Invasion.
-[x] All known intelligence is on the table for the asking.
[X] Dragon.
-[X] You and Dad are not making the dragon public knowledge in a live interview. It can wait for the press release.
[X] Personal life.
-[x] Acknowledge relative lack of saiyan focus as growth area.
[X] Relationship with Lady Vegeta.
-[x] Full disclosure (You hate her, you hate her very much, and you're explaining exactly why).

This is what I thought I was voting for, but I was wrong.
 
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So, uh, yeah. That's in there twice now.

What do people think about my suggestion of using our knowledge of Vegetan protocols to try to guide her responses to us? I don't think it's a high risk of negative consequences, but I haven't heard anyone else comment on it.
We're nowhere near good enough to do that. Also, we're almost certainly going to be using them anyway.
 
[X] Use Oddball at own discretion.
[X] The Sealing.
-[X] No comment. (In and of itself an implied comment, given the official story and Dandeer's now-public hatred for you.)
[X] Your Sight.
-[X] Keep it secret.
[X] Invasion.
-[x] All known intelligence is on the table for the asking.
[X] Dragon.
-[X] You and Dad are not making the dragon public knowledge in a live interview. It can wait for the press release.
[X] Personal life.
-[X] Justify human focus.
-[X] Acknowledge relative lack of saiyan focus as growth area.
[X] Relationship with Lady Vegeta.
-[X] No comment.
[X] Jaron
-[X] Praise his courage and desire to protect people.
-[X] Decline to speculate on whether the Seal is slipping.
[X] Thoughts on the partial breach of the Masquerade
-[X] We were already preparing to reveal the existence of Ki. Those preparations turned a crisis into an opportunity.
[X] Maya
-[X] Status as a mutant and benefits for masquerade, acknowledge potential concerns.
[X] Romantic Concerns
-[X] Not a particular priority, you haven't really thought about it. Ask again in a few year?
[X] The Faith
-[X] Confirm stance taken during the Council.
[X] Personal Combat Skills
-[X] Admit difficulty in finding the right style.
 
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But I don't believe they can block off the future or past, like the Enemy or the Dragon?
Yeah, but "present-sight" is such a big asset for us that having Dandeer know we have it and be in a position to neutralize it would hurt.

Plus, we're probably going to be sending our mind into Jaffur's headspace. Dandeer already has wards around there. If she knows we're a seer, she may deduce that we can poke around the Seal and set traps for us.

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So, uh, yeah. That's in there twice now.

What do people think about my suggestion of using our knowledge of Vegetan protocols to try to guide her responses to us? I don't think it's a high risk of negative consequences, but I haven't heard anyone else comment on it.
I think it's likely to be ineffective. We are at best a knowledgeable Gokun foreigner when it comes to Vegetan protocol, and Papata has probably interviewed many many people who use it better than us.

To quote Firefly, "you don't play a player."

And frankly, her on the air persona seems more Gokun in many ways, and she may actually respond favorably to the freewheeling approach. It might not put her at some kind of subtle disadvantage, but that's okay, we can also "win" this encounter by convincing Papata that we're a good kid who deserves respect and support.
 
And frankly, her on the air persona seems more Gokun in many ways, and she may actually respond favorably to the freewheeling approach. It might not put her at some kind of subtle disadvantage, but that's okay, we can also "win" this encounter by convincing Papata that we're a good kid who deserves respect and support.

WHAT? Not treating the essentially unknown person as a clear and present danger to be fought tooth and nail at every turn?

That's just CRAZY ENOUGH TO WORK.

You know Oddball!
 
Heh.

Basically, we have no reason to think of Papata as an enemy. On the other hand, she probably has an agenda of her own, including:

1) Opposition to the Sealing, which we officially did a lot to make possible.
2) Curiosity about Jaron Somerlad, if only because he is in a sense "all that's left" of the Vegetans' charismatic young prince.

There are likely to be other elements to her agenda that are harder to guess at.

If we provide her with ways to fulfill her agenda at our expense, we may find her undermining our reputation or otherwise harming us.

But if we provide her with ways to fulfill her agenda, that are harmless or beneficial to us, then we are likely to find her being helpful and generally positive.
 
Heh.

Basically, we have no reason to think of Papata as an enemy. On the other hand, she probably has an agenda of her own, including:

1) Opposition to the Sealing, which we officially did a lot to make possible.
2) Curiosity about Jaron Somerlad, if only because he is in a sense "all that's left" of the Vegetans' charismatic young prince.

There are likely to be other elements to her agenda that are harder to guess at.

If we provide her with ways to fulfill her agenda at our expense, we may find her undermining our reputation or otherwise harming us.

But if we provide her with ways to fulfill her agenda, that are harmless or beneficial to us, then we are likely to find her being helpful and generally positive.
Missing agendas/goals:
3) Match wits with the clever, charismatic young Scion.
4) Learn more about the Scion.
5) Make herself look good.
 
Canon Omake: The Other Side
The Other Side
You live for this.

A show. An audience.

This feeling is heady.

A live performance, with a crowd watching your every move. One mistake could bring those wolves down upon you. One mistake could earn the most powerful of enemies. One mistake could end your career.

You live for this.

Today wasn't just an interview.

There was so much going on. So many new things in the horizon. The Sealing of the Lord and Scion of Vegeta. The Faith and their Second Council. The discovery of the Golden Oozaru. The Scouts and an alien invasion. The end of the Masquerade, and a single powerful human girl.

So many things had happened, and all in the last four years. It was a time of turmoil and change, and all of these had only one person at its center. The Scion of Goku, the girl known as Kakara the Gold. That was the girl who was walking towards you right now.

Lights come on with a heavy thump, and you put your public face on, smiling as cheers sound from every side.

"It is my pleasure to introduce the Scion of Goku: Kakara!"

You had heard the rumors of course. Who hadn't? This was the girl who became a Super Saiyin in battle, who was supposedly the cause of the Seal for your Scion. This was the girl who had commanded the Faith and mediated it though it's course, standing firm against even the Butcher of the Talt. The one who surpassed the Super Saiyin form in a way beyond even the Ancestors. She'd certainly had a colourful career.

The Scion takes a seat before you. And you see her watch you, take you in. And you can see that she sees you watching her too. You tilt your head in acknowledgement. She nods back, a slight conspiratorial tilt to her smile.

So the rumours were true.

But you also remembered that the Scion had never officially said anything regarding the Sealing. You remembered the rumours of her relationship with the Lady Vegeta.

There was a lot going on in the surface here. You knew that from experience.

You've also had a very colourful career.

"Welcome to the show, Scion," you says, raising your voice to include the audience.

The Scion gave you a very good-girl smile, and replied just as clearly, "Thank you for inviting me, Miss Fren."

You smiled back.

A show. An audience. And now an opponent.

This was so much fun.
 
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[x] The Sealing.
-[x] Tell what really happened that day.
[X] Your Sight.
-[x] Publicize.
[X] Invasion.
-[x] All known intelligence is on the table for the asking.
[X] Dragon.
-[X] You and Dad are not making the dragon public knowledge in a live interview. It can wait for the press release.
[X] Personal life.
-[x] Acknowledge relative lack of saiyan focus as growth area.
[X] Relationship with Lady Vegeta.
-[x] You don't get along very well.
 
Still not closed. Here's the official tally, with my usual merging policy. @ChildishChimera: we're not doing this vote by plan, so I've had to delete yours for the moment. I'll hand-tally it if it comes to that, but I'd appreciate it if you could reformat that for me.

Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - Dragon Ball: After the End | Page 731 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 18256-18311]
##### NetTally 1.9.8

[X] Jaron
-[X] Praise his courage and desire to protect people.
-[X] Decline to speculate on whether the Seal is slipping.
No. of Votes: 9

[X] Personal life.
-[X] Justify human focus.
-[X] Acknowledge relative lack of saiyan focus as growth area.
No. of Votes: 9

[X] Your Sight.
-[X] Keep it secret.
No. of Votes: 9

[X] The Sealing.
-[X] No comment. (In and of itself an implied comment, given the official story and Dandeer's now-public hatred for you.)
No. of Votes: 8

[X] Relationship with Lady Vegeta.
-[X] No comment.
No. of Votes: 8

[X] Invasion.
-[x] All known intelligence is on the table for the asking.
No. of Votes: 7

[X] Romantic Concerns
-[X] Not a particular priority, you haven't really thought about it. Ask again in a few year?
No. of Votes: 7

[X] The Faith
-[X] Confirm stance taken during the Council.
No. of Votes: 7

[X] Use Oddball at own discretion.
No. of Votes: 7

[X] Maya
-[X] Status as a mutant and benefits for masquerade, acknowledge potential concerns.
No. of Votes: 7

[X] Personal Combat Skills
-[X] Admit difficulty in finding the right style.
No. of Votes: 7

[X] Invasion.
-[X] War stories only. Saiyan love war stories. If pressed for details, we can't comment on specifics, but have great confidence in our Father, ourselves, and the former Lords and Ladies to handle the matter effectively.
No. of Votes: 5

[x] The Sealing.
-[x] Tell what really happened that day.
No. of Votes: 4

[X] Thoughts on the partial breach of the Masquerade
-[X] We were already preparing to reveal the existence of Ki. Those preparations turned a crisis into an opportunity.
No. of Votes: 4

[X] Your Sight.
-[X] Publicize.
No. of Votes: 3

[X] Relationship with Lady Vegeta.
-[x] You don't get along very well.
No. of Votes: 3

[X] Personal life.
-[x] Acknowledge relative lack of saiyan focus as growth area.
No. of Votes: 3

[X] Relationship with Lady Vegeta.
-[x] Full disclosure (You hate her, you hate her very much, and you're explaining exactly why).
No. of Votes: 1

Total No. of Voters: 12

Hm...in hindsight, I might've made this a tasked vote. Would've been easier to tally, and likely to read, along with making it very clear that we're not doing this by plan voting, for those who missed me saying as much. Ah, well. Lessons learned.
 
Hm. Wasn't there another omake that wasn't given a major/minor bonus and what it was to be used for?
 
Frustration​

The time is coming soon.

The day that your people will face your greatest opponent since the Enemy himself. This is an enemy that you know surpasses you, without any doubt. Because you have Seen it.

Four Golden Oozaru. that's what you used to face it. And that still wasn't enough. What else could you do?

Your skill isn't enough. Your body isn't enough. You need so much more.

And so, you sit in a Sealed chamber that will hide your power, and then let it go free. You can feel the rush of unrestrained power, and you let it blossom to your full base might.

Right now, you were beyond every living saiyin even if you weren't wielding your full potential. Yet, you knew that this wasn't enough. This wasn't the Scouts, who you could so easily talk down and defeat. This wasn't the Faith, who regarded you as a demigod. This wasn't the nuclear bombs, which only needed you to find them.

This wasn't even your father, who you knew would still protect your people in the end.

This was so much more, and what you had simply wasn't enough. You couldn't lose. You risked something more than your friends and family. You risked your people.

You felt a weight settle on your shoulders. A weight that you hadn't realized existed. The weight you needed to shoulder for your ideals, to protect all that you cared for.

You took in a deep breath, and let loose the false moon. You looked at it, and took it in.

And you grew as your power doubled. And then you stood as a Great Ape. The world was so slow. Seconds weren't worth counting. You could keep up with units smaller and smaller then that with ease.

Not enough.

You roared as your aura flashed across the entire area.

And the world turned Gold.

With pure will, you drew forth from the well of power within you. As much as you dared. Time slowed even more, and your mind raced ever faster. This was your greatest achievement. The Golden Oozaru.

But still, even as you came close to straining the wards you wondered if this was enough. Your mind raced with your power, even as your body slowed with the transformation. Would this be enough, you wondered? Would this power be enough to aid you?

Perhaps it was enough, but you could not chance that.

Even with this, you couldn't face your foe.

Even with this, you weren't ready.

Grandpa, Grandma and dad were on your level, and you knew that in skill they certainly surpassed you. You should've been stronger.

You screamed in frustration.

You let it all out.

Jaffur was right.

And honestly you didn't know if this was going to be enough.

The weight of the world was on your shoulders, and you didn't know if you were enough.

You laughed. Was this how all the Z-fighters felt?
Alright, alright! This one is going to be compliant in that while Kakara is hitting herself over not training before, it's not quite to this extent. Bonus goes to the first emergency training roll that needs it, which you'll burn through quickly, I assure you.
The Other Side
You live for this.

A show. An audience.

This feeling is heady.

A live performance, with a crowd watching your every move. One mistake could bring those wolves down upon you. One mistake could earn the most powerful of enemies. One mistake could end your career.

You live for this.

Today wasn't just an interview.

There was so much going on. So many new things in the horizon. The Sealing of the Lord and Scion of Vegeta. The Faith and their Second Council. The discovery of the Golden Oozaru. The Scouts and an alien invasion. The end of the Masquerade, and a single powerful human girl.

So many things had happened, and all in the last four years. It was a time of turmoil and change, and all of these had only one person at its center. The Scion of Goku, the girl known as Kakara the Gold. That was the girl who was walking towards you right now.

Lights come on with a heavy thump, and you put your public face on, smiling as cheers sound from every side.

"It is my pleasure to introduce the Scion of Goku: Kakara!"

You had heard the rumors of course. Who hadn't? This was the girl who became a Super Saiyin in battle, who was supposedly the cause of the Seal for your Scion. This was the girl who had commanded the Faith and mediated it though it's course, standing firm against even the Butcher of the Talt. The one who surpassed the Super Saiyin form in a way beyond even the Ancestors. She'd certainly had a colourful career.

The Scion takes a seat before you. And you see her watch you, take you in. And you can see that she sees you watching her too. You tilt your head in acknowledgement. She nods back, a slight conspiratorial tilt to her smile.

So the rumours were true.

But you also remembered that the Scion had never officially said anything regarding the Sealing. You remembered the rumours of her relationship with the Lady Vegeta.

There was a lot going on in the surface here. You knew that from experience.

You've also had a very colourful career.

"Welcome to the show, Scion," you says, raising your voice to include the audience.

The Scion gave you a very good-girl smile, and replied just as clearly, "Thank you for inviting me, Miss Fren."

You smiled back.

A show. An audience. And now an opponent.

This was so much fun.
Aaaaaaaaand canon. Bonus goes to the interview you're about to have! :D
 
[X] The Sealing.
-[X] No comment. (In and of itself an implied comment, given the official story and Dandeer's now-public hatred for you.)
[X] Personal Combat Skills
-[X] Admit difficulty in finding the right style.
[X] Invasion.
-[X] War stories only. Saiyan love war stories. If pressed for details, we can't comment on specifics, but have great confidence in our Father, ourselves, and the former Lords and Ladies to handle the matter effectively.
[X] Romantic Concerns
-[X] Not a particular priority, you haven't really thought about it. Ask again in a few year?
[X] Your Sight.
-[X] Keep it secret.
[X] Relationship with Lady Vegeta.
-[X] No comment.
[X] Dragon.
-[X] You and Dad are not making the dragon public knowledge in a live interview. It can wait for the press release.
-[X] If she still somehow brings up the mass seer vision, reaffirm very harshly and extremely formally that this is an ongoing matter and you cannot speak on it right now.
[X] Write In: Using our somewhat unique character traits, try to come at questions from unique angles to keep from getting verbally "boxed in" by Papata's Elite Communication Skills.
 
[X] Jaron
-[X] Praise his courage and desire to protect people.
-[X] Decline to speculate on whether the Seal is slipping.
[X] Personal life.
-[X] Justify human focus.
-[X] Acknowledge relative lack of saiyan focus as growth area.
[X] Your Sight.
-[X] Keep it secret.
[X] The Sealing.
-[X] No comment. (In and of itself an implied comment, given the official story and Dandeer's now-public hatred for you.)
[X] Relationship with Lady Vegeta.
-[X] No comment.
[X] Romantic Concerns
-[X] Not a particular priority, you haven't really thought about it. Ask again in a few year?
[X] The Faith
-[X] Confirm stance taken during the Council.
[X] Use Oddball at own discretion.
[X] Maya
-[X] Status as a mutant and benefits for masquerade, acknowledge potential concerns.

I think I've done this right. Only one I'm not really sure on is the Invasion. Don't really mind between the two.
 
Alright, alright! This one is going to be compliant in that while Kakara is hitting herself over not training before, it's not quite to this extent. Bonus goes to the first emergency training roll that needs it, which you'll burn through quickly, I assure you.
I'm guessing my "First action that needs it" bonus for this year's rolls will be used up here?
 
So, I had a random thought to try against the dragon (though it probably should be practiced first). Please tell me if there is a mistake in the logic or something that could be simplified or a false assumption.

Say we go fight the Dragon. We use multiform and one of them remains human while the other goes GO. They have different sources of power so our clone stays at 375M PL while GO is at 1500M. Our clone's PL doesn't affect our monkey self as long as she doesn't go super saiyan. We then give our clone a bag with senzu beans and have her stay away from the battle while the four GO duck it out with the dragon. It can stay at a máximum of 100 miles away from monkey self so she has space enough not to be caught in a stray blast.

Now, the reason we give the senzu beans to the clone is because I imagine it would be difficult to use the giant monkey fingers to manipulate the tiny beans. With this, if one of the fighters end seriously wounded, our clone can IT to it and feed it a Senzu, allowing them to fight for longer both because they recover stamina and heal their wounds. Her higher PL means she can react fast and not die instantly as long as the other 3 GO distract the dragon. Sounds like a reasonable precaution, right?

Now here is the kicker. Imagine we have a plan mid fight but it requires one of the fighters to put themselves in even greater danger. Monkey Kakara charges, something goes wrong and she is killed by the dragon.

None of the Kakaras are the original though, only the last one left. So human us grumbles a bit about monkeys being reckless, pops another clone and has it go GO. Then feeds it a senzu to make it recover the power lost and the new monkey us IT back into battle. (or rather, human us eats a senzu to recover the energy lost from the SS pool, then pops a clone and has it go GO with the recovered energy)

Would that actually work?

On that note, we should probably check how many senzu beans are available what with the Senzu clan in hiding. I mean, we could probably convince Raditz to distribute some beans to Apra, Yammar and some of our allies and then have them offer those "beans they had been saving up for years just in case" to help defend Garenhuld. That would increase our supply a bit.
 
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So, I had a random thought to try against the dragon (though it probably should be practiced first). Please tell me if there is a mistake in the logic or something that could be simplified or a false assumption.

Say we go fight the Dragon. We use multiform and one of them remains human while the other goes GO. They have different sources of power so our clone stays at 375M PL while GO is at 1500M. Our clone's PL doesn't affect our monkey self as long as she doesn't go super saiyan. We then give our clone a bag with senzu beans and have her stay away from the battle while the four GO duck it out with the dragon. It can stay at a máximum of 100 miles away from monkey self so she has space enough not to be caught in a stray blast.

Now, the reason we give the senzu beans to the clone is because I imagine it would be difficult to use the giant monkey fingers to manipulate the tiny beans. With this, if one of the fighters end seriously wounded, our clone can IT to it and feed it a Senzu, allowing them to fight for longer both because they recover stamina and heal their wounds. Her higher PL means she can react fast and not die instantly as long as the other 3 GO distract the dragon. Sounds like a reasonable precaution, right?
So... basically... she does this?

Nitpick, our human form is at three hundred million, not 375.

Now here is the kicker. Imagine we have a plan mid fight but it requires one of the fighters to put themselves in even greater danger. Monkey Kakara charges, something goes wrong and she is killed by the dragon.

None of the Kakaras are the original though, only the last one left. So human us grumbles a bit about monkeys being reckless, pops another clone and has it go GO. Then feeds it a senzu to make it recover the power lost and the new monkey us IT back into battle. (or rather, human us eats a senzu to recover the energy lost from the SS pool, then pops a clone and has it go GO with the recovered energy)

Would that actually work?
That part may NOT work... though it's very possible that nothing like it has ever been tried.

On that note, we should probably check how many senzu beans are available what with the Senzu clan in hiding. I mean, we could probably convince Raditz to distribute some beans to Apra, Yammar and some of our allies and then have them offer those "beans they had been saving up for years just in case" to help defend Garenhuld. That would increase our supply a bit.
Yeah, using Apra or Yammar to launder the beans would be a good move.

If Apra's the one doing the bean-laundering, Berra may be more inclined to trust, but will also wonder "wait, why wouldn't Mom pool those with the House reserve of senzu beans?"

If Yammar's doing it, Berra will not be wondering why he didn't make them available earlier (why would he?)... but he'll immediately suspect that Yammar is in touch with the Senzus if he didn't already. That's one of the routes that could potentially unravel our conspiracy even without Berra learning anything from us.
 
Nitpick, our human form is at three hundred million, not 375.
Ok, fine. Not-giant-monkey-Saiyan form.

That part may NOT work... though it's very possible that nothing like it has ever been tried.
Why not?

Yeah, using Apra or Yammar to launder the beans would be a good move.

If Apra's the one doing the bean-laundering, Berra may be more inclined to trust, but will also wonder "wait, why wouldn't Mom pool those with the House reserve of senzu beans?"

If Yammar's doing it, Berra will not be wondering why he didn't make them available earlier (why would he?)... but he'll immediately suspect that Yammar is in touch with the Senzus if he didn't already. That's one of the routes that could potentially unravel our conspiracy even without Berra learning anything from us.
There is also the people Yammar and Apra convinced to support us. Like house Peat or Balor. They could conceivable have one or two in reserve so we could launder them that way.
 
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