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[X] Plan Tweenhard II- Not Pro-Sealing
I agree with your priorities, but I would rather just not talk at all about the Sealing directly, which may well send the message that Kakara regrets or opposes it given how furious Dandeer is at her.Why are people wanting to put the Conspiracy and our Shade at risk?
Why aren't people thinking about ways to steer the conversation towards the innocuous? There's plenty of material around human ki users, and that doesn't risk secrets we aren't prepared to reveal.
In short, we're talking as little as practical about the Sealing and Dandeer, avoiding it like most tweens would avoid unpleasant topics.
I'm open to feedback on this, and will change the plan if it is lacking. The general thrust of it will not deviate from what I've indicated above: clam up about the stuff that risks the Conspiracy, don't reveal our Sight, and focus as much as practical on human-Saiyan interactions, how they've been, how they're changing, and where we want them to go.
Fren is fishing for a story here, and likely won't intentionally antagonize us, but definitely WILL pounce on anything we dangle by mistake.
Please, let's go this way.
@PoptartProdigy - I have tried to keep the above at a high level of detail, using sample statements to indicate general tone and direction. Is this plan ok by your guidelines for this vote?
To be fair, if we make a Deceit check that involves us just stonewalling with "no comment," and we lose, all Papata can conclude is that we don't want to talk about it and aren't comfortable with the official story. For that matter, so is she.It's pretty much inevitable that we'll have to make a Deceit check there. But this is something we are practiced at and have had to say many times.
I'm pretty sure that deliberately trying to create a misleading picture by speaking half-truths still counts as rolling Deceit.We can also say something along the lines, "My Father said already: 'yadda yadda yadda' and that's all been public knowledge for ever." If we aren't actually lying, but simply saying what someone else has said, we're not really answering the question, but it's a fine enough distinction that most people won't notice. Probably won't take Deceit, or will give us a decent situation bonus.
The distractions will also help.
And nothing about the sub-votes on that is a lie: Some things ARE unpleasant but necessary. We DO hope to spar with Jaffur again. The most recent spar (or just 'that fight', meaning the one we're thinking about) was one of the most fun, since we could go all-out!
So we aren't being deceitful, we are just communicating!
Not enough 'No Comment' about Dandeer. 9/10.@The Fourth Monado , my "Tweenhard II" plan is in some ways an expanded version of your plan. What do you think of it?
--[X] Talk about our friends and the meaningful interactions Saiyans can have with humans.
---[X] Tell lots of stories about the Misfits and how much fun you all have together, in ways Saiyans can relate to (like their joy in learning mundane martial arts).
I don't know if this is a good thing, actually? I remember somewhere that Berra commented on how the masquerade and keeping secrets from the human Friends was hard for everyone when we brought up the chance of telling Maya about the saiyans and that us training her was already something that might make the other siayans think of favoritism. With the partial fall of the masquerade, training humans is now a possibility BUT it is something they have to ask Berra to be able to do so and our petition was fast tracked by virtue of being Scion. So I don't think it is wise to bring attention to it.--[X] Talk about our friends and the meaningful interactions Saiyans can have with humans.
---[X] Tell lots of stories about the Misfits and how much fun you all have together, in ways Saiyans can relate to (like their joy in learning mundane martial arts).
----[X] Maybe she thinks the ki training might impact his Masque?
-----[X] I'm sure if that was a risk, though, she'd speak up about it
Why this? What do you hope to accomplish with this? If you give her an opening like that she can say that we didn't give all information to Vegeta when asking permission to train Jaron and it might get Berra to panic and say we shouldn't train him.----[X] Maybe she thinks the ki training might impact his Masque?
-----[X] I'm sure if that was a risk, though, she'd speak up about it.
---[X] I get along well with the rest of her family, though! Jaron and Mister Somerlad are really nice.
----[X] More stories about friends and school, starting Jaron-focused but quickly drifting.
---[X] I get along well with the rest of her family, though! Jaron and Mister Somerlad are really nice.
----[X] More stories about friends and school, starting Jaron-focused but quickly drifting.
-[X] Jaron
--[X] Praise his courage and desire to protect people.
--[X] Decline to speculate on whether the Seal is slipping.
This is basically everything I want, it just needs a 'No Comment' on the Dandeer part[X] The Sealing.
-[X] No comment. (In and of itself an implied comment, given the official story and Dandeer's now-public hatred for you.)
[X] Your Sight.
-[X] Keep it secret.
[X] Invasion.
-[x] All known intelligence is on the table for the asking.
[X] Dragon.
-[X] You and Dad are not making the dragon public knowledge in a live interview. It can wait for the press release.
[X] Personal life.
-[X] Justify human focus.
-[X] Acknowledge relative lack of saiyan focus as growth area.
[X] Relationship with Lady Vegeta.
-[x] You don't get along very well.
-[x] You disagree in several issues and opinions.
[X] Jaron
-[X] Praise his courage and desire to protect people.
-[X] Decline to speculate on whether the Seal is slipping.
[X] Thoughts on the partial breach of the Masquerade
-[X] We were already preparing to reveal the existence of Ki. Those preparations turned a crisis into an opportunity.
Despite line voting already being our default, as laid out in the Rules Screen. Please restructure.
Aside from the above, it looks good.@PoptartProdigy - I have tried to keep the above at a high level of detail, using sample statements to indicate general tone and direction. Is this plan ok by your guidelines for this vote?
Then, since the vote is by line, I suggest to copy it and change that part.This is basically everything I want, it just needs a 'No Comment' on the Dandeer part
Hm. Fair point. We'd have to compensate by excitably pointing out that this will become an opportunity for everyone soon, and play up the 'soon.'I don't know if this is a good thing, actually? I remember somewhere that Berra commented on how the masquerade and keeping secrets from the human Friends was hard for everyone when we brought up the chance of telling Maya about the saiyans and that us training her was already something that might make the other siayans think of favoritism. With the partial fall of the masquerade, training humans is now a possibility BUT it is something they have to ask Berra to be able to do so and our petition was fast tracked by virtue of being Scion. So I don't think it is wise to bring attention to it.
I was already considering removing this from my vote for other reasons.Why this? What do you hope to accomplish with this? If you give her an opening like that she can say that we didn't give all information to Vegeta when asking permission to train Jaron and it might get Berra to panic and say we shouldn't train him.
Hmmm. That's actually a valid criticism. This bears further discussion, since I don't want us to come across as pro-Sealing, I want us to come across as being not-subtly unhappy about Jaffur's Sealing and unwilling to talk about it.Valentine = Nice.
Rub it in on the Vegetan's face, why don't you? This could make us look like we are ok with the sealing to the masses (but not to the ones who know better) and it marks how different they are to the originals.
Thanks!
Good point...I'm tentatively supporting the broad strokes of tweenhard II or the variant, but there's one issue I think isn't being addressed: Maya.
We aren't planning for questions about Maya's status as a mutant and the impacts -- positive or negative -- her presence and training has on the masquerade. I think it's important we plan for it to come up.
We obviously can't predict something totally unknown. If Fren knows about the Senzu and brings it up on radio she almost certainly Knows Too Much. Dunno what to do then...Edit: I bet there are other topics we're not thinking about which might come up. I encourage people to consider what has come up in-story that isn't already amongst the topics.
The Senzu? What is our relationship with Yammar?
How do we react if something new comes up? (E.g an emerging issue or something novel that Fren has discovered?)
Multiform has a range limit, but it's a cute idea.I have an idea, if they do a caller question segment could we use IT and multi-form to answer the questions in person?
Would it even be a "caller" question sort of thing? The interview is in a platform in the hall.I have an idea, if they do a caller question segment could we use IT and multi-form to answer the questions in person?
"You can expect a live audience."
Your father's words echo in your mind as you step across the stage, raising your hand to the crowd. Live audience indeed -- Miss Fren decided to reserve part of the Training Hall's public area for this. The same Hall presently doubling as a refugee camp for most of the saiyan race.
She only reserved exactly as much space as she needed.
"Everything about her chosen stage is going to be very carefully tuned to the effect she wants to convey."
The stage is a raised platform, massive in scope, with you and Miss Fren reduced to tiny pinpricks against the sheer size of it. There's a screen erected in back -- at the moment, it shows a zoomed-in version of your face, as a too-fast-to-follow glance back reveals.
I don't think the Exile magic users can do that?We don't want Dandeer to know about it, since sorcerers can actually interfere.
We've been explicitly told sorcerors can detect a seer who's using mind projection. What they can detect they can presumably attack.
But I don't believe they can block off the future or past, like the Enemy or the Dragon?We've been explicitly told sorcerors can detect a seer who's using mind projection. What they can detect they can presumably attack.
Garenhulder magic is focused around Sealing/Binding/Suppressing/Hiding.But I don't believe they can block off the future or past, like the Enemy or the Dragon?
-[X] Discuss the benefits of teaching ki to humans, and advertise the blog we are running/putting together.