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Wow... You... you've actually found a way to set her off even harder. This is almost gymnastic in its targeting of all her neuroses simultaneously.
It's straight-up hilarious is what it is, though it will probably be less amusing if it actually wins.

It might shed some light on Jaron's home situation though; even with his Saiyan memories locked away, Jaron is super messed up, and I'm pretty sure his Dad being a gargantuan asshole didn't go away just because he forgot why he's so mad about everything. I wouldn't be surprised if he tells us "no" though, as I suspect the last thing Valentine Somerlad wants is for his son to be more capable in a fight.
 
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Ah, so I thought about how different SSJ4 looked to every other human-sized Saiyan transformation, and how it basically looked like what you'd get if you crossed the Oozaru form with the base Saiyan/Human form. In which case, GT's SSJ4 isn't really SSJ4 - it's just this "new" base form using an earlier transformation (SSJ2, since apparently Vegeta never got SSJ3). Mechanically (assuming the base form's PL is just both component forms' PLs added together) the user would end up with a higher power level than an SSJ2 or a Golden Oozaru, which explains how it's able to kick a Golden Oozaru around in GT (though it would hit slightly less hard than the GO would.)

Merging a Human with an Oozaru to make the form would also explain the whole " Great Ape with a human heart" thing too.
Ah. No, Kakara knows nothing to contradict your reasoning.
Can we use seer abilities for research such as to figure out dead ends before we waste time trying?
Yup.
 
I know! Isn't it great? /s
It's straight-up hilarious is what it is, though it will probably be less amusing if it actually wins.

It might shed some light on Jaron's home situation though; even with his Saiyan memories locked away, Jaron is super messed up, and I'm pretty sure his Dad being a gargantuan asshole didn't go away just because he forgot why he's so mad about everything. I suspect the last thing Valentine Somerlad wants is for his son to be more capable in a fight.

Oh, I love it. I'm ashamed that I didn't think of it myself. I mean, strategically it's an awful idea, but in terms of lateral thinking it's a work of art. She may literally explode when she finds out.
 
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Let's see. Right now we've got 21 (minus one) votes for

[] The time has finally come. You need to talk to Dandeer again.
-[] Ask Dad and Grandma for advice. Doubles as insurance as they know what's happening.
-[] Also, double-check that Jaron actually got permission for the training. If he didn't, you'll offer a formal apology to Dandeer, because whatever your feelings for her are, it was genuinely negligent on your part.
-[] Talk to Dandeer in private about Jaron and his wish to fight.
-[] Also ask her about her long term plan. The current situation does not seem tenable long term. Jaron can't be kept in an infantile state of dependency forever, and the Vegetans obviously aren't happy with him not being allowed to train.

Eight votes for 'fuck Dandeer,' and three (plus one) votes for:

[] Actually, Lord Vegeta has the authority to say whether his son can fight or not, even sealed. And with the secret of Ki out, we can simply talk directly to him. Ask Valentine Somerlad for permission to train his son in how to fight.

As you see, I'm going to formally cast my hat into the ring for that in effect, so let's call it 20-8-4.

Given that the last option was only suggested just now and that a lot of people probably haven't even read the thread since then, I'm not surprised. I do hope @PoptartProdigy is willing to give us a day or two to talk this over, because it's a potentially game-changing strategy and very interesting to me. Things may shift yet.



What I'd like to suggest is a sort of compromise vote, where we try to create leverage by bringing the opinion of 'Valentine' into play, without completely ignoring or bypassing Dandeer. Among other things because I'd like Dandeer to be forced to discuss this question in terms that make sense on their own merits, not just shut us down, ignore us, or rant about saiyan heritage.

If she is doing this out of a genuine desire to protect Jaron from harm, that may be deeply counterproductive, but I can at least respect it. But that's a motive she can acknowlege in front of her Sealed husband. If her motives are just a pile of "Dandeer be crazy," then she can't bring that up in front of her husband, or keep her husband out of the discussion, without causing herself further problems.

Like, say, if she uses magic to make sure Valentine hears none of the conversation, and gives us a dressing-down for being a naughty girl. Then we know she did that. And if we tell the Vegetans she did that, they'll riot, because the entire basis of her authority is the convenient fiction that she consults her husband on things.



So I'm thinking of something like...

[] The time has finally come. You need to talk to Dandeer again.
-[] And Valentine.
--[] Under saiyan law, Lord Vegeta has the authority to say whether his son can fight or not, even Sealed. And with the secret of ki out, we can simply talk directly to him.
--[] Under human law, Jaron is the child of both Doreen and Valentine Somerlad. Both his parents have nominally equal right to be involved in a decision like this.
-[] Arrange to talk to BOTH of Jaron's parents, simultaneously.
-[] Double-check that Jaron actually got permission for the training. If he didn't, you'll offer a formal apology to Dandeer and Valentine. Whatever your feelings are, it was genuinely negligent on your part.
-[] Appeal to both of them for permission to continue training Jaron.
--[] Firstly, Jaron's power is great enough that he needs some degree of training just to avoid endangering others. And noncombat training in abilities such as flight is providing him with a level of happiness you have never seen him experience before.
--[] Explain that Jaron has a strong desire to protect others, and the world, even if that means fighting. The batch of aliens that attacked you at the school won't be the last of them. All of Garenhuld may be in danger from them. You expect to wind up fighting against the aliens yourself, and you expect that Maya will too. It's going to be hard to sit this one out with the power to do something about it.
--[] In the likely event that Jaron's courage and desire to protect others motivate him to fight when the rest of the aliens arrive, some combat training will make him more likely to stay safe.
-[] Talk to Dad and Grandma about your plan. Doubles as insurance as they know what's happening.

What do people think?
 
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I do hope @PoptartProdigy is willing to give us a day or two to talk this over, because it's a potentially game-changing strategy and very interesting to me. Things may shift yet.
That's why the vote is still open. ;)

In fact...

AN ANNOUNCMENT

Hey, folks. For those who don't regularly read the thread, there's a new write-in of which you may wish to be aware.

[ ] Actually, Lord Vegeta has the authority to say whether his son can fight or not, even sealed. And with the secret of Ki out, we can simply talk directly to him. Ask Valentine Somerlad for permission to train his son in how to fight.

This, obviously, represents an approach to the matter that hasn't previously come up, so I wanted to give you all some time to debate it among yourselves.

And now, some words serving no purpose but to fill out the word count and ensure that everybody sees this post.

*deep breath*



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Too many words. Will extrapolate when off phone.
Fair enough.

Here's a less wordy version of the same thing.

[] The time has finally come. You need to talk to Dandeer again.
-[] And Valentine.
-[] Arrange to talk to BOTH of Jaron's parents, simultaneously.
-[] Double-check that Jaron actually got permission for the training. If he didn't, you'll offer a formal apology to Dandeer and Valentine. Whatever your feelings are, it was genuinely negligent on your part.
-[] Appeal to both of them for permission to continue training Jaron.
--[] Jaron needs at least some training to avoid accidentally blowing things up.
--[] He's really happy, like you've never seen him before, practicing flight.
--[] Jaron feels strongly about protecting others. You expect more aliens to come soon, so there are new threats to worry about.
--[] It may be hard to stop Jaron from trying to protect others. If he tries to fight the aliens, combat training improves his chances of coming back unhurt.
-[] Talk to Dad and Grandma about your plan. Doubles as insurance as they know what's happening.
 
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*Stares at custom title*

seems legit.
 
[] The time has finally come. You need to talk to Dandeer again.
-[] And Valentine.
--[] Under saiyan law, Lord Vegeta has the authority to say whether his son can fight or not, even Sealed. And with the secret of ki out, we can simply talk directly to him.
--[] Under human law, Jaron is the child of both Doreen and Valentine Somerlad. Both his parents have nominally equal right to be involved in a decision like this.
-[] Arrange to talk to BOTH of Jaron's parents, simultaneously.
-[] Double-check that Jaron actually got permission for the training. If he didn't, you'll offer a formal apology to Dandeer and Valentine. Whatever your feelings are, it was genuinely negligent on your part.
-[] Appeal to both of them for permission to continue training Jaron.
--[] Firstly, Jaron's power is great enough that he needs some degree of training just to avoid endangering others. And noncombat training in abilities such as flight is providing him with a level of happiness you have never seen him experience before.
--[] Explain that Jaron has a strong desire to protect others, and the world, even if that means fighting. The batch of aliens that attacked you at the school won't be the last of them. All of Garenhuld may be in danger from them. You expect to wind up fighting against the aliens yourself, and you expect that Maya will too. It's going to be hard to sit this one out with the power to do something about it.
--[] In the likely event that Jaron's courage and desire to protect others motivate him to fight when the rest of the aliens arrive, some combat training will make him more likely to stay safe.
-[] Talk to Dad and Grandma about your plan. Doubles as insurance as they know what's happening.
Okay, extrapolation on what I meant: your plan goes into too much detail. This is a trap I've fallen into as well, but the basic idea should be to use the KISS principle.

Remember Bommelom's fears about my write-in, and brought up all those good arguments? My response was that Kakara, as a competent young woman with Exceptional Communication and Talented Intrigue, would likely consider such arguments automatically and implement them as needed. Poptart confirmed this would occur, barring abject failure. Additionally, less detail means Poptart has more freedom with how write things down. And, well, most of what you put down seems redundant?

Here's my proposed revision:
[ ] Perhaps rather then do this secretly, perhaps you could talk to both his parents for him.
-[ ] Arrange to talk to both Doreen and Valentine at one time, and try to convince them to let Jaron be trained by you.
-[ ] Also, double-check that Jaron had his parents permission. If not, apologize to both of them.
-[ ] Get some advice from Dad and Grandma. Probably best only general advice from Dad.
--[ ] Also, get a recording device so you have physical evidence of whatever happens. Have it stream somewhere else, probably to Grandma's.

The recording device so that Dandeer can't try anything funny without being caught. Also, something we could use is that Valentine is apparently a die-hard Tastreyan loyalist(living in an enemy country?), and we saved the country from nukes.

Anyway, I'm not in favour of this plan, as this doesn't aid my secondary(wear away at Dandeer to help convince her to release the seal), tertiary(learn more about Dandeer) and quarternary(further establish our rep as a "good girl" with Dad) goals for the Dandeer action, primary being to convince her to train Jaron. And I don't think it's impossible. After the Council, it became possible to convince Dandeer the Seal was a mistake:
+20 from Talented Communication, +30 from cookies, +something from Convictions, +something from Level-Headed, +something from Mature, +something from Pacifist, +something Open-Armed, +something from Socialiser...

Does anyone want to try convincing Dandeer to break the seal on Jaffur? Even if the DC was 100 we'd have a minimum 50% chance of success on that front.
Ah! We've been talking past each other. You can't judge where Yemma will put him, no, but the point of me saying, "but none of this matters, figure it out yourselves," was to point out that you the real life people can and should make your judgments based on what you know.

*-AReallyBigNumber from Dandeer's personality tags*

I will say that as of this moment, a straight Communication check to get her to undo the Seal is possible. It wasn't in the immediate aftermath.
The immediate aftermath of the Sealing. That check was a straight-up insta-fail. But at some point between then and now she's been beaten down enough that you could manage it.

I do not guarantee success or failure rates, naturally.
As it presently stands, narrow victory for Fennella. For reference, I have announced that convincing Dandeer to drop the Seal is possible at this stage. It was an automatic failure in the immediate aftermath of the Sealing. Two years and a bit of work on your parts' later, it is now something that I have assigned a DC to. And with the right combination of approach, rolls, cookies, and/or circumstances, there is a non-zero chance of success.

However, I do feel it necessary to mention that I do not guarantee your chances of success, either positively or negatively. Do not ask.

Related to the above: Dandeer voters, please discuss among yourselves and add a sub-vote for how you will present this to Dandeer. No exact words, please, just a broad overview.
Now, while that may or may not have changed for better or worse since then, convincing her to let Jaron be trained should be easier. Not easy, but easier.
 
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Hm. The following describes most of my thought process over the past few hours...

[Thinks about ways for Kakara to get some peace and quiet]

[Thinks about ways for Kakara to get peace without quiet]

[Thinks about ways for Kakara to not get so worked up thinking about Dandeer, who she really hates, that she can't concentrate]

[Thinks about DBZA]

[Starts writing furiously]

...

The resulting omake, while compliant to the best of my knowledge in that it does not actually contradict anything we've heard so far as I know... Is almost certainly going to be non-compliant.

But I hope you all like it anyway. :p It's getting close to finished.
 
Compliant Omake: Hammering Out A Plan
Hammering Out A Plan

You sit, carefully adding to a long list of ideas for how to talk to that woman and convince her to let her son have the training he needs in order to stay safe with the aliens coming.

There are always people around in the Hall. But in this large chamber, deeper down than most of the rest, there aren't very many. It's reserved for high-energy training. The walls are heavily reinforced, on top of the wards, with sorcery and the strongest materials your people know how to make. People don't even enter this chamber unless they've powered up into the hundreds of thousands- for safety. And that's a minimum.

You, naturally, have used this chamber a lot. And you've noticed that nobody ever bothers anyone else down here. Because if you see someone sitting quietly down here, preparing something, and you poke them or break their concentration... you never know what kind of kaboom might happen next.

Quite a few people are scattered around, in ones and twos. Practicing hand-to-hand, aiming ki blasts on the fly, things like that. But they don't bother each other.

At the far end of the cavern, two figures are providing ample light- bright, flickering, purple light. The pair of Vegetans are having a Galick Gun-wrestling match. You've mostly stopped paying attention to them. You can hear their faint "HAAAs" and "YAAAs" all the way over here. If they weren't both silly, they'd probably have called it a tie by now. They've just been clenching their neck muscles and growling for like twenty minutes. In that time, you've added six new ideas to your list.

Once in a while, you look up to watch them, or someone else. The distractions are helpful, and everyone's ki looks just a little different when they're actually exerting themselves. The fine differences are kind of interesting to watch.

You even planned for watching the distractions. Dandeer makes you so angry, parts of your brain just GRRR and even the rest of it can't bear to think about her for more than a few minutes at a time. But this way, that's not a problem! Every time you can't stand thinking about Dandeer anymore, you just take a couple of minutes to watch something blow up. Then you go back to thinking about Dandeer.

These chambers have more, and bigger, explosions per day than any other place on Garenhuld. And you're here to think. And it's working.

Well, people call you an oddball. You've stopped arguing with them.



Wait I technically owe Dandeer an apology wait APOLOGIZE TO THAT- AAAAAGH!

You force yourself to finish writing "APOLOGY" on your list, then carefully fold it up so you don't accidentally crumple it or something.

You need to think about something else besides apologizing to Dandeer. You really need to. You look around for the highest power levels in the chamber. Getting this burst of angry out of your system is going to take a really, really big explosion.

You reflexively turn your head to look as you sense a new presence in the room. She flew in with her power level well into seven digits, and you're pretty sure she can go higher. Maybe all the way to fifteen million, maybe not quite.

Then your eyes focus. Instead of the traditional orange Gokun gi or the various training clothes of the Vegetans, the new arrival wears a ceremonial cloak and reinforced shoulderpads. An expert user of Demon Style, then, come to practice the special techniques of her art.

After a moment to remember dad's lessons about the noted warriors among the Gokun houses, you recognize her. It's Mitsuba- a frequent tournament fighter, enough so that when you think about it, even you can sort of remember her, despite never having been big on watching tournaments. Didn't she make the semi-finals one time last year? No, it was the year before that, and the quarter-finals.

Your mom doesn't like Demon Style, but even though you're definitely liking Tien Style yourself, you don't think it's quite as dumb as she says. You probably wouldn't have wound up studying it yourself, even if you didn't love being in three places at once. But it's still... interesting. Demon Style fighters have to be careful about battlefield control, and that's important in Tien Style too. Especially if you don't want anyone to get killed accidentally.

You flex your jaw. You're going to have to do a certain amount of fighting in your life. You don't like it, but it's true. Even so, you know you don't want anyone to get killed.



Someone you don't recognize is helping Mitsuba stack up a loose pile of boulders, nothing too exceptional for a saiyan who wants a fair-sized target to practice on. Not as big as a house. Well, okay, maybe a small house.

The helper hastily and crudely melts a hole in a large slab of rock, and Mitsuba helps push a metal plate into the improvised holding frame. You recognize it as a training plate, made and specially reinforced using a cheaper version the same techniques as saiyan armor or Fennela's sword. They're good practice tools for testing out powerful attacks at full energy. Ordinary rocks and steel are squishy; practicing on them can be like practicing on a punching bag filled with cotton candy.

Suddenly, your saiyan blood sings in your veins.

Mmm... cotton candy!

Your brain has to exercise its veto. Ultima ratio regina, the only thing powerful enough to make you truly ignore your stomach.

Snacks later! Finish list now! SCHEDULE!

Paying attention to distractions is part of the plan, though. You wonder what she's setting up to practice.



As you watch Mitsuba gather her energy, you realize what she's doing. This isn't one of the usual techniques, this is original research! She's trying to reinvent a lost technique! You remember reading about this in your studies a few years.

"This lost attack is attested by Rakkyo, grandson of Mato the Foremost, who heard of it from the Ancestor Gohan, who heard of it from Piccolo. However, the authenticity of the technique is disputed by savants of the Demon Style. Many argue that it is incompatible with Piccolo's signature combat techniques for close-range fighting. Furthermore, Rakkyo admitted that Mato could not remember personally witnessing the technique in use, nor could he recall asking Ancestor Gohan whether he had witnessed it either."

Looking at the patterns of ki spiraling around Mitsuba's fist, you're pretty sure the critics are right. The way she's shaping her energy looks something like the Makankosappo. It looks something like the traditional two-fisted blasts favored by Piccolo stylists at short to medium range, the ones whose authenticity is uniformly accepted. But it doesn't look enough like either.

On the other hand, the master in front of you seems determined to invent the attack, as it was described in the attestation of Rakkyo- whether it ever existed before or not. Her energy forms into a spike, crackling around her forearm like a spearhead. She jabs her fist forward in a sudden, sharp punch, screaming the name of this controversial, possibly-ancient technique.

As she releases her energy, Mitsuba screams.

"NAIL GUN!"



Mitsuba is among the top five percent of the Exiles in power level. She's a widely respected master of Demon Style. Even by that standard, the attack travels fast. Even at fifteen million, the spike's motion would be a blur. Hard to dodge, especially at the short range the attack was meant for.

But you're in a position to cheat. As Mitsuba gathers her ki, you quickly boost your power level to several times the maximum of an ordinary saiyan. Easy enough for you, even without touching the transformation. Time stretches out like molasses. You can watch the javelin of energy move in slow motion. Your eyes narrow a bit. The spike wavers with instability as it hisses downrange. You don't expect it to matter against the target plates- they're tough, but not that tough.

And yet. and yet...

With barely a shower of sparks scattering to the sides, the bolt slams through the plate, leaving a neat circular hole, then passes. Wavering and shimmering more obviously now, the attack detonates inside the heap of boulders like an armor-piercing shell. The mass of stone scatters far and wide, adding a few hundred tons' more gravel to the masses littering the floor of the chamber. The custodians will probably be coming down to re-vitrify it soon; it's getting messy in here.

Hm.

Now that you see it in action, you see the logic of the attack. Formed up into a spike, Mitsuba's ki gains the 'piercing' effect of high-density rays and beams, but then expends all its remaining energy on the target rather than simply burning through it.

Efficient at short range, packing a punch but wasting no energy on overpenetration. Powerful, hard to dodge, with relatively little collateral damage outside the immediate vicinity of the target. And ideally suited for gathering all one's remaining energy against a superior opponent to cause the maximum possible damage. Precisely as Rakkyo's tale claimed that Piccolo was said to have intended, on the one occasion when he actually attempted the attack in battle.

A very clever attack style, entirely typical of Demon Style's tricky, precise maneuvers...

...Aaaand unlikely to actually work.

Not with that instability you saw in the shaping of the spike. The attack would just pop, like a water balloon hitting a wall, if it ever hit anything strong enough to stop it. Against an enemy powerful enough to need such a tricky technique, Mitsuba's new attack would fail. Against something fragile enough for the spike to punch through, a normal ki blast would work better anyway.

Maybe the attack will do what it's supposed to someday. Eventually. But it needs work. A lot of work.

Mitsuba sags, looking dismayed; she seems to share your opinion.



Then, without warning, the entire chamber is wrapped in a blinding flash of purple light, Taiyoken-bright. A thunderous detonation washes over you. Your power level is still somewhere around seventy million, so you ride out the blast wave gracefully and look towards the source of the disturbance.

The Galick Gun duel is over. From the way that both the combatants are sprawled on their butts, gasping, with curls of smoke rising from their hair, it looks like they both lost. You can't help but think, in the habits of generation after generation of Gokun before you:

Stupid crazy Vegetans!

Hey, that gives you an idea! You take out your list again.

"TALK TO VALENTINE?"

You underline that and circle it a few times. It may be a good idea, or a really bad one, but either way you're going to need some extra thinking time to figure out which...
 
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[X] Actually, Lord Vegeta has the authority to say whether his son can fight or not, even sealed. And with the secret of Ki out, we can simply talk directly to him. Ask Valentine Somerlad for permission to train his son in how to fight.

Oh fuck yes
 
Oh god, my sides. :D

Especially with the knowledge that the Nail Gun being an unknown but recorded technique is canon, according to the RP. One version of Nail forgot the name of the Makankōsappō/Special Beam Cannon, and used Nail Gun instead. Much to God!Piccolo's amusement. And somehow, the technique made it into all the history books. ;)

Also, one of the characters created their own Nail Gun that works nearly-identically. You sure you haven't read it? :p
 
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@PoptartProdigy : Have the exiles managed to figure out a ki regeneration? Does not seem like a proper Piccolo style without any regeneration. If not, have they proved it impossible?

With our talent for medicine it might be worth trying to figure it out, but only if significant progress has already been made.
 
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@PoptartProdigy : Have the exiles managed to figure out a ki regeneration? Does not seem like a proper Piccolo style without any regeneration. If not, have they proved it impossible?
Piccolo's ability to regenerate isn't a ki power, it's a biological ability of Namekians. Earthlings and saiyans have other abilities Namekians lack (for instance, sexual reproduction).

Now, if you got really good at ki healing, maybe you could regrow lost body parts quickly the way Namekians grow back their arms.

But I see no reason for a saiyan martial arts school inspired by legends of Piccolo to get super-good at this. Especially since the only way to practice would be to cut off your own arm, and ALMOST no one is that hardcore, and even if they were they'd go through a fortune in Senzu beans before getting the hang of it.

Glad you liked it!

Also, one of the [RP] characters created their own Nail Gun that works nearly-identically. You sure you haven't read it? :p
I most surely haven't! At least not that part. :D

I guess great minds (in this case, Mitsuba the Demon Style specialist, and whichever of your characters developed the technique) think alike.

On my end, the logic is as follows...



================WARNING, WORDS FOLLOW=====================​

Piccolo Style as described on the front page focuses on concentration of power, balanced offense and defense, and a variety of techniques that work effectively at all ranges. What this reminds me of is a description I once heard a martial artist give of Western-style boxing. It went something like:

"In boxing, there are only four kinds of punch. Those four punches are all the attacks a boxer knows. But a good boxer can be very difficult to fight. For one, because they practice all four punches very, very extensively. Secondly, because they are very good at knowing which of those four punches to use, and at controlling the distance between themselves and their opponent so that they can use the right one of the punches for any situation."

[Disclaimer: I don't actually know how to box; any misrepresentation in the above description is not intentional on my part]

...

Basically, look at the list of techniques that are 'promoted' by Piccolo Style. Conspicuously, while the style doesn't outright penalize hand-to-hand combat, under no conditions does it confer a bonus to hand-to-hand. In effect, if we just go by the technique list, a fighter using Piccolo Style in its Platonic form would spend virtually all their time engaged in ranged combat using ki projection, be that combat short, medium, or long ranged.

Let's look at the ki techniques. I'm going to differentiate between optimum ranges, between 'ray' attacks that pierce and 'blast' attacks that, like the Kamehameha, project broad waves or balls of energy. Some notes on each attack are in italics.

Explosive Wave: short range, ??? handed, blast attack. Mostly a knockback attack- unlikely to disable opponents.
Evil Explosion: short range, two handed, blast attack. Similar to Light Grenade, possibly a lesser form of same?
Light Grenade: short range, two handed, blast attack. Creates very large explosions, high knockback.
Masenko: medium to long range, two handed, blast attack. Comparable to Kamehameha, Kikoho, etc.
Hellzone Grenade: long range, one OR two handed,* blast attack. Area denial functions, very energy-hungry.
Makankosappo: long range, one handed, ray attack. Finishing attack- highly lethal, relatively long charge time.

*Attack consists of a massed barrage of small 'bombs.' Presumably it could be used one handed but would take longer to get all the individual 'bombs' into the sky.
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The Explosive Wave technique isn't really a 'handed' technique at all, so we can't fit it in with the rest of the techniques in the style; the obvious reason for it to be included is distance control.

The Hellzone Grenade, a very powerful long range option seems to consist of a massive number of rather 'mundane' ki blasts, with the secret of the technique probably lying in how all these blasts are guided, contained, and controlled while the attack is being set up.

And the Makankosappo, despite being Piccolo's most distinctive signature technique, is unlike any other attack in the style, mainly in being a piercing 'ray' attack.

But the Evil Explosion, Light Grenade, and Masenko? All two-handed attacks that involve forming an explosive energy ball that "blasts." They might even be, in terms of how the attack is generated and focused, all slight variations on the same technique.



Analyzing the style, the biggest obvious gap is that in short range combat, the available options are to trigger an Explosive Wave and hope to knock the enemy back hard enough to allow followup with a ki attack... Or a massive, blasting "shotgun" of energy (the Evil Explosion/Light Grenade). So where's the precision and focused power, the well-timed, battle-ending strike capability at close range?

At long range or against a disabled opponent you have the Makankosappo- but that's not a valid technique at short range unless you have a conveniently expendable ally to put your opponent in a full nelson while you charge your attack.

This creates a niche for some kind of focused, powerful short range attack. Something we probably never actually saw Piccolo use... the Nail Gun! :p

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But what does it do? How does it work? Well, if you're Mitsuba or the other Demon Style theorists who actually believe the Nail Gun is a thing, you go back to the context of how it was used... Namely, as a last-last-ditch attempt to kill Imperfect Cell, as he was coming very close to beat Piccolo to death at point blank range. And something done immediately after a huge blast attack that didn't work.

It would need to be something focused, something that can punch through defensive ki barriers and armor like a Makankosappo... but not something that overpenetrates like a Makankosappo, because that's wasteful of energy and you have none to spare. Everything you have needs to hit your opponent, and do as much damage on the inside of their defenses as possible. BUT you need a focused, "drilling" effect, or you'll never get all that energy to the target's vulnerable areas to begin with.

So you need an attack that is similar to a World War-era armor-piercing shell: something that slams through an outer layer of hardened defense, then blows up inside the target and causes the most widespread possible damage...

And there you have it- the logical nature, role, and basic attack parameters of a completely fictitious combat technique, that may or may not have ever existed. All deduced entirely from a single reference to it in passing in a story told to Mato when he was a child!

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As to why Mitsuba is working on it, well, partly on general principles... and partly because she's training to fight the aliens.

Her version of Nail Gun would make a good antiship weapon, assuming that the invading spacecraft have some kind of armor that can withstand low-order or unfocused ki blasts- a plausible hypothesis. After all, we know such materials exist, because the Exiles can make body armor out of them.

If her version of Nail Gun works as intended, she could fire it at a spacecraft from relatively close range. It could then penetrate and cause heavy damage to an interior compartment (say, wrecking the engines), without vaporizing the whole thing.

Because it sure would be nice to disable an alien warship so that it could be captured by the Exiles. That'd be a feather in the cap of an ambitious Demon Style master who's eager to prove herself and earn a reputation as one of the Exiles' leading warriors, now wouldn't it? ;)

The way I figure it, this is the kind of thing that the 'useful' NPCs spend their spare Action Points on. :p
 
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Piccolo's ability to regenerate isn't a ki power, it's a biological ability of Namekians. Earthlings and saiyans have other abilities Namekians lack (for instance, sexual reproduction).
I know that. I am still asking the question. I am in no way sure about the limits of what ki can and can not do. It can be used to grow extra arms, teleport, fly and break through dimensional barriers.

Why should regrowing an arm be harder than growing extra arms?
 
Well, it's fairly believable that ki healing COULD be used to grow new arms; Dende could use it to repair massive internal damage up to and including impalement, after all.

It's just that "can regrow arms in a hurry" sounds a lot more like an Elite ki healing talent (for non-Namekians) than as a special skill that's part of Demon Style like the Makankosappo.

Although actually, it WOULD kind of make a perverse kind of sense if Ki Healing in general was a preferred technique for Demon Stylists.
 
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