- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
Don't got time to stick around, so I'll just switch to...
[X] Bakkasama
So that the vote can evolve as needed.
Dragon Ball: After the End
[X] Bakkasama
So that the vote can evolve as needed.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Oh, quite non-canon, but a lesser bonus towards the check to talk to her regardless.
Well, I was actually about to close, but that sure isn't the case anymore.
Jaron: HEADACHE OW WHY THE HECK
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
Well, I guess I thought of it just in time, then, to have any hope of it getting through.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
I will change my vote if it seems like the fuck Dandeer votes looks like it might win.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
If we don't talk to her now, can it be toward the next time we do talk with her (calmly, that is, not a shouting match
)?Same. I'm happy with what's winning now.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I'll consider it.If we don't talk to her now, can it be toward the next time we do talk with her (calmly, that is, not a shouting match
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
I'm happy with talking to Dandeer - we can always ask Valentine afterwards if she says no.
Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - Dragon Ball: After the End | Page 636 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 15911-16301]
##### NetTally 1.9.9
[X] The time has finally come. You need to talk to Dandeer again.
-[X] Ask Dad and Grandma for advice. Doubles as insurance as they know what's happening.
-[X] Also, double-check that Jaron actually got permission for the training. If he didn't, you'll offer a formal apology to Dandeer, because whatever your feelings for her are, it was genuinely negligent on your part.
-[X] Talk to Dandeer in private about Jaron and his wish to fight.
--[X] Also ask her about her long term plan. The current situation does not seem tenable long term. Jaron can't be kept in an infantile state of dependency forever, and the Vegetans obviously aren't happy with him not being allowed to train.
No. of Votes: 21
[X] Fuck. Dandeer. You've tiptoed around her for long enough. Her son has ki, and he's on-camera as somebody who helped take Murk down. You have all the justification you need to teach him how to fight with ki. Teach Jaron, and damn Dandeer's expressed feelings on the matter.
No. of Votes: 9
[X] *Take a long, deep breath* You hate Dandeer, Dandeer hates you. Surprisingly (not) You know that she hates you and she knows that you hate her. But her son wants to learn how to fight. Not her first born son, but her second son. And as much as you want to make that decision... you really can't not without putting everything that you have been working towards in danger. Which means that you are being put in a terrible, horrible position. You need to talk to Dandeer about this. Both in the Masque and out of it. You hate this idea, but this is the best way to handle things because she does not handle even the image of things not being run by her. And the worst part, if we refuse to do this... Jaron will go off and do this on his own. Dandeer has to understand that... Right? He is doing this because he wants to be a good son. So either she has to convince him not to do this... or she has to let him do this. The other option is to reveal that she knows about Ki and Magic, because Jaron is figuring it out on his own, and if he decides that he is going to do this... then he is going to do this unless she actually stops him.
No. of Votes: 2
[X] Actually, Lord Vegeta has the authority to say whether his son can fight or not, even sealed. And with the secret of Ki out, we can simply talk directly to him. Ask Valentine Somerlad for permission to train his son in how to fight.
No. of Votes: 2
[X] Lailoken
No. of Votes: 1
Total No. of Voters: 35
##### NetTally 1.9.9
[X] The time has finally come. You need to talk to Dandeer again.
-[X] Ask Dad and Grandma for advice. Doubles as insurance as they know what's happening.
-[X] Also, double-check that Jaron actually got permission for the training. If he didn't, you'll offer a formal apology to Dandeer, because whatever your feelings for her are, it was genuinely negligent on your part.
-[X] Talk to Dandeer in private about Jaron and his wish to fight.
--[X] Also ask her about her long term plan. The current situation does not seem tenable long term. Jaron can't be kept in an infantile state of dependency forever, and the Vegetans obviously aren't happy with him not being allowed to train.
No. of Votes: 21
[X] Fuck. Dandeer. You've tiptoed around her for long enough. Her son has ki, and he's on-camera as somebody who helped take Murk down. You have all the justification you need to teach him how to fight with ki. Teach Jaron, and damn Dandeer's expressed feelings on the matter.
No. of Votes: 9
[X] *Take a long, deep breath* You hate Dandeer, Dandeer hates you. Surprisingly (not) You know that she hates you and she knows that you hate her. But her son wants to learn how to fight. Not her first born son, but her second son. And as much as you want to make that decision... you really can't not without putting everything that you have been working towards in danger. Which means that you are being put in a terrible, horrible position. You need to talk to Dandeer about this. Both in the Masque and out of it. You hate this idea, but this is the best way to handle things because she does not handle even the image of things not being run by her. And the worst part, if we refuse to do this... Jaron will go off and do this on his own. Dandeer has to understand that... Right? He is doing this because he wants to be a good son. So either she has to convince him not to do this... or she has to let him do this. The other option is to reveal that she knows about Ki and Magic, because Jaron is figuring it out on his own, and if he decides that he is going to do this... then he is going to do this unless she actually stops him.
No. of Votes: 2
[X] Actually, Lord Vegeta has the authority to say whether his son can fight or not, even sealed. And with the secret of Ki out, we can simply talk directly to him. Ask Valentine Somerlad for permission to train his son in how to fight.
No. of Votes: 2
[X] Lailoken
No. of Votes: 1
Total No. of Voters: 35
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
This is going to take awhile. First we ask Dandeer. Then we ask his Dad. Then we decide what to do.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Jaffur:
"Kakara asking... him... for permission to train... Universe... so... upside down..."
And inside the imprisoned super-saiyan's headspace, for the first time in the boy's years, rings forth the sound of laughter. Crazy laughter, but laughter.
It was that or cry, and he'll do that later.
Thank you SO much.
The Fourth Monado
S U B A R A S H I I
- Location
- Away
Well, no matter what wins, at least I know one thing:
Poptart will have fun writing the update.
Poptart will have fun writing the update.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
I didn't really explain the chain of logic for merging our two base forms to unlock an SSJ4-esque base form, so I'll lay it out here so people can point out any holes in the theory. My reasoning is that SSJ4 didn't really look like yet another step in the SSJ chain (more/differently-coloured glowing, but no real change to the base body except maybe more muscles) and in fact looked like what you would get if you literally tried to merge the two forms into a regular human/saiyan sized package. In which case, SSJ4 would just be using this merged body as the base for SSJ3 (or 2? My knowledge of GT is honestly pretty shoddy.)
@PoptartProdigy is there anything we should know in-character that makes this likely to be a dead end, before spending an action on investigating?
And also, if we train our Seer/Futuresight skills up, would it be possible to spend an action using that on the Hopes/Dreams list just to prune off complete dead ends? (I suspect the list will only grow as time passes.)
@PoptartProdigy is there anything we should know in-character that makes this likely to be a dead end, before spending an action on investigating?
And also, if we train our Seer/Futuresight skills up, would it be possible to spend an action using that on the Hopes/Dreams list just to prune off complete dead ends? (I suspect the list will only grow as time passes.)
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
I suspect that almost ALL knowledge of transformations other than the base super-saiyan one has been suppressed and lost, while knowledge of that transformation has been perfected to heights even Goku and Vegeta may have never reached.
Because the one big consensus viewpoint among the Exiles is that anyone ascending to Super-Saiyan Two or otherwise attaining similar power would be a disaster, so nobody's going to have written down anything the early Exiles knew about the art of doing so.
Because the allure of some unwise and power-hungry royal trying to use it to ascend is just too great.
Because the one big consensus viewpoint among the Exiles is that anyone ascending to Super-Saiyan Two or otherwise attaining similar power would be a disaster, so nobody's going to have written down anything the early Exiles knew about the art of doing so.
Because the allure of some unwise and power-hungry royal trying to use it to ascend is just too great.
CaesriusPolybius
Worldgate Mechanic
- Location
- United States. Ish.
Probably not SSj3 - like I said I don't know much more than squat about GT, but I'm reasonably sure Vegeta never achieved the form.
He didn't.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Kakara knows nothing to contradict your logic, although I admit that I lose track of what you're saying towards the end of your first paragraph.
That is one of several potential applications of Seer abilities, yes.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Ah, so I thought about how different SSJ4 looked to every other human-sized Saiyan transformation, and how it basically looked like what you'd get if you crossed the Oozaru form with the base Saiyan/Human form. In which case, GT's SSJ4 isn't really SSJ4 - it's just this "new" base form using an earlier transformation (SSJ2, since apparently Vegeta never got SSJ3). Mechanically (assuming the base form's PL is just both component forms' PLs added together) the user would end up with a higher power level than an SSJ2 or a Golden Oozaru, which explains how it's able to kick a Golden Oozaru around in GT (though it would hit slightly less hard than the GO would.)
Merging a Human with an Oozaru to make the form would also explain the whole " Great Ape with a human heart" thing too.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Can we use seer abilities for research such as to figure out dead ends before we waste time trying?
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
Come on people! Vote for Valentine! He is Jaron's father so he should also have a say and since Dandeer's authority comes from him then if he aproves we should be ok on the clan/saiyan front. Furthermore, he doesn't have Dandeer's dislike for us or her dismissal of children nor her paranoia regarding anything saiyan coming close to their family, which means he can think on what is best for Jaron without who presents the argument influencing his decition. The same traits as talking to Dandeer apply with maybe the addition of oddball and he doesn't dismiss our arguments just because we are us.
- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
Yes, but we have to meaningfully interact with the decrepit shell that was once a monster even worse than Dandeer.
I, for one, don't want to do that.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
I want to talk to Dandeer.
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
Careful, nothing wrong with masochism but you need to keep an eye on it.
