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Hmm, I just saw a post, where a bit of semi-canon speculation from the Daizenshu 4 was that Trunks and Goten were born without tails due to being mutants, and that's why they got Super Saiyan at such a young age.. And that made me think of the Ki Mutants/Champions in this, and my thoughts on them. I've begun to divide Ki Mutants into two broad categories: "Frontloaders" and "Backloaders".

Frontloaders gain the majority of the benefit of their mutation from the beginning. They start strong and with time they'll get stronger, but their strength will plateau once they've reached a certain level unless they undergo Ki proper training the same as anyone else. While initially their mutation will mean the training is more effective then it is for other people, the further they go beyond their innate limitation, the less benefit it provides, until eventually it stops providing any benefit at all. The most common type. Goten, Trunks and Pan, if the mutant theory is used, would be part of this group.

Backloaders gain only a comparatively minor benefit in strength compared to Frontloaders, but in exchange, they continue to grow in power from using their power, and possess no caps on their growth. With proper training, their growth is extremely fast, and this growth rate never peters out. Rare, and generally more powerful, assuming they survive long enough. Gohan and Maya would be this type.

Of course, some mutants would be considered hybrids, such as Frieza that got the best of both worlds, and the Saiyans/Part-Saiyan as a whole would have a hybrid label placed on them, due to their insane growth but innate caps, despite not actually being Ki Mutants.

The Universe 6 Saiyans, under the mutation theory, would be due to an ancient Saiyan in that universe possessing a similar mutation, that successfully got passed on and supplanted the older, tailed versions.

The reason the Exiles don't all said mutation is because, much like in RL, there's no guarantee a child will inherit the mutation.
 
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Trunks and Goten were born without tails due to being mutants, and that's why they got Super Saiyan at such a young age..
IIRC the explanation was either that tails are a recessive trait or they got surgically removed at birth. The real life reason was that apparently drawing tails are hard, so Toriyama adapted them out.
 
IIRC the explanation was either that tails are a recessive trait or they got surgically removed at birth. The real life reason was that apparently drawing tails are hard, so Toriyama adapted them out.
Yes, and I just pointed out a third official explanation. I'm certainly that multiple explanations were created, either due to forgetfulness or retcons. :p
 
Ah yes, the tails of children born to post-super-saiyan saiyans - or rather, the lack of them.

Sure, that may be correllation, but it at least fits the data. Gohan? Sure, he had one and was a demisaiyan, but the others, consistently shown to have power levels far beyond what they should and rediculous ease of access to the Super Saiyan form? No tail.

Though granted, we only have four data points at the moment.

(I also think there might be a heavily diluted relation in the tailless, more-powerful-than-expected, able-to-boil-super-saiyan-down-to-a-technique U6 counterparts, but that's a different story)
 
There is no reason to speculate about how genetics work in this quest. We have been told how they work.
 
More interesting then discussing 'ways to hilariously commit suicide number 42'

Oh, no. Number 42 was like, 30 pages ago.

It was to simultaneously fly towards the sun while shattering the Seal (and killing Jaron) AFTER telling the entire population of Garenhuld that they were already conquered by aliens, and they're called 'Saiyans'.

That was a fun one. Everyone hates us after it, but think of the XP if we survive!
 
More interesting then discussing 'ways to hilariously commit suicide number 42'
Presumably Poptart won't let us commit suicide or seriously injure ourselves on a Research action, but trying to figure out Perfect Multiform or merging our base bodies could do some serious damage if we screwed up - like, given how Multiform creates entirely new bodies from nothing and switching bases (to Oozaru and back) involves not just changing your body but actually replacing it with an entirely different one via transformation (which sort of doesn't make sense on the surface, but can be hand-waved away as a simplification) both likely involve changing how you actually see and understand yourself on a conceptual level, which seems like it would be liable to go horribly wrong in so many ways. Even more horribly wrong than trying out attacks that wipe out planets, in fact.

It'll never happen though, if only because we're a Ki Prodigy.
 
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Hmm, I just saw a post, where a bit of semi-canon speculation from the Daizenshu 4 was that Trunks and Goten were born without tails due to being mutants, and that's why they got Super Saiyan at such a young age.. And that made me think of the Ki Mutants/Champions in this, and my thoughts on them. I've begun to divide Ki Mutants into two broad categories: "Frontloaders" and "Backloaders".

Frontloaders gain the majority of the benefit of their mutation from the beginning. They start strong and with time they'll get stronger, but their strength will plateau once they've reached a certain level unless they undergo Ki proper training the same as anyone else. While initially their mutation will mean the training is more effective then it is for other people, the further they go beyond their innate limitation, the less benefit it provides, until eventually it stops providing any benefit at all. The most common type. Goten, Trunks and Pan, if the mutant theory is used, would be part of this group.

Backloaders gain only a comparatively minor benefit in strength compared to Frontloaders, but in exchange, they continue to grow in power from using their power, and possess no caps on their growth. With proper training, their growth is extremely fast, and this growth rate never peters out. Rare, and generally more powerful, assuming they survive long enough. Gohan and Maya would be this type.

Of course, some mutants would be considered hybrids, such as Frieza that got the best of both worlds, and the Saiyans/Part-Saiyan as a whole would have a hybrid label placed on them, due to their insane growth but innate caps, despite not actually being Ki Mutants.

The Universe 6 Saiyans, under the mutation theory, would be due to an ancient Saiyan in that universe possessing a similar mutation, that successfully got passed on and supplanted the older, tailed versions.

The reason the Exiles don't all said mutation is because, much like in RL, there's no guarantee a child will inherit the mutation.
Maya would be a frontloader with all the power she been getting. She's higher than form 2 Frieza in a 5th of the time Goku took to get there.
Anyways this doesnt even matter because power levels dont matter in the slightest. They always change depending of who the plot needs to be strongest at the time.
 
Maya would be a frontloader with all the power she been getting. She's higher than form 2 Frieza in a 5th of the time Goku took to get there.
No, Backloader. She started with a PL of under a 1000, and improved rapidly with proper training, as mentioned in the description.

A Frontloader wouldn't have needed said training to reach such levels.
Anyways this doesnt even matter because power levels dont matter in the slightest. They always change depending of who the plot needs to be strongest at the time.
Meh, maybe the case in the canon stuff, but it matters here. Which is all that matters with what I was talking about.
 
Maya would be a frontloader with all the power she been getting. She's higher than form 2 Frieza in a 5th of the time Goku took to get there.
Anyways this doesnt even matter because power levels dont matter in the slightest. They always change depending of who the plot needs to be strongest at the time.
Power levels matter a great deal - in the show, they're superfluous because you can just power up to have a higher power level as the plot requires, but it's still the higher number that wins. In this quest, power levels confer massive advantages for being higher than your opponent, and we have reasons we can't easily increase our cap. It's why any method of increasing our PL or effective PL without reaching for SSJ2 deserves careful consideration.
 
Hammering Out A Plan

You sit, carefully adding to a long list of ideas for how to talk to that woman and convince her to let her son have the training he needs in order to stay safe with the aliens coming.

There are always people around in the Hall. But in this large chamber, deeper down than most of the rest, there aren't very many. It's reserved for high-energy training. The walls are heavily reinforced, on top of the wards, with sorcery and the strongest materials your people know how to make. People don't even enter this chamber unless they've powered up into the high tens of thousands- for safety. And that's a minimum.

You, naturally, have used this chamber a lot. And you've noticed that nobody ever bothers anyone else down here. Because if you see someone sitting quietly down here, preparing something, and you poke them or break their concentration... you never know what kind of kaboom might happen next.

Quite a few people are scattered around, in ones and twos. Practicing hand-to-hand, aiming ki blasts on the fly, things like that. But they don't bother each other.

At the far end of the cavern, two figures are providing ample light- bright, flickering, purple light. The pair of Vegetans are having a Galick Gun-wrestling match. You've mostly stopped paying attention to them. You can hear their faint "HAAAs" and "YAAAs" all the way over here. If they weren't both silly, they'd probably have called it a tie by now. They've just been clenching their neck muscles and growling for like twenty minutes. In that time, you've added six new ideas to your list.

Once in a while, you look up to watch them, or someone else. The distractions are helpful, and everyone's ki looks just a little different when they're actually exerting themselves. The fine differences are kind of interesting to watch.

You even planned for watching the distractions. Dandeer makes you so angry, parts of your brain just GRRR and even the rest of it can't bear to think about her for more than a few minutes at a time. But this way, that's not a problem! Every time you can't stand thinking about Dandeer anymore, you just take a couple of minutes to watch something blow up. Then you go back to thinking about Dandeer.

These chambers have more, and bigger, explosions per day than any other place on Garenhuld. And you're here to think. And it's working.

Well, people call you an oddball. You've stopped arguing with them.



Wait I technically owe Dandeer an apology wait APOLOGIZE TO THAT- AAAAAGH!

You force yourself to finish writing "APOLOGY" on your list, then carefully fold it up so you don't accidentally crumple it or something.

You need to think about something else besides apologizing to Dandeer. You really need to. You look around for the highest power levels in the chamber. Getting this burst of angry out of your system is going to take a really, really big explosion.

You reflexively turn your head to look as you sense a new presence in the room. She flew in with her power level well into seven digits, and you're pretty sure she can go higher. Maybe all the way to fifteen million, maybe not quite.

Then your eyes focus. Instead of the traditional orange Gokun gi or the various training clothes of the Vegetans, the new arrival wears a ceremonial cloak and reinforced shoulderpads. An expert user of Demon Style, then, come to practice the special techniques of her art.

After a moment to remember dad's lessons about the noted warriors among the Gokun houses, you recognize her. It's Mitsuba- a frequent tournament fighter, enough so that when you think about it, even you can sort of remember her, despite never having been big on watching tournaments. Didn't she make the semi-finals one time last year? No, it was the year before that, and the quarter-finals.

Your mom doesn't like Demon Style, but even though you're definitely liking Tien Style yourself, you don't think it's quite as dumb as she says. You probably wouldn't have wound up studying it yourself, even if you didn't love being in three places at once. But it's still... interesting. Demon Style fighters have to be careful about battlefield control, and that's important in Tien Style too. Especially if you don't want anyone to get killed accidentally.

You flex your jaw. You're going to have to do a certain amount of fighting in your life. You don't like it, but it's true. Even so, you know you don't want anyone to get killed.



Someone you don't recognize is helping Mitsuba stack up a loose pile of boulders, nothing too exceptional for a saiyan who wants a fair-sized target to practice on. Not as big as a house. Well, okay, maybe a small house.

The helper hastily and crudely melts a hole in a large slab of rock, and Mitsuba helps push a metal plate into the improvised holding frame. You recognize it as a training plate, made and specially reinforced using a cheaper version the same techniques as saiyan armor or Fennela's sword. They're good practice tools for testing out powerful attacks at full energy. Ordinary rocks and steel are squishy; practicing on them can be like practicing on a punching bag filled with cotton candy.

Suddenly, your saiyan blood sings in your veins.

Mmm... cotton candy!

Your brain has to exercise its veto. Ultima ratio regina, the only thing powerful enough to make you truly ignore your stomach.

Snacks later! Finish list now! SCHEDULE!

Paying attention to distractions is part of the plan, though. You wonder what she's setting up to practice.



As you watch Mitsuba gather her energy, you realize what she's doing. This isn't one of the usual techniques, this is original research! She's trying to reinvent a lost technique! You remember reading about this in your studies a few years.

"This lost attack is attested by Rakkyo, grandson of Mato the Foremost, who heard of it from the Ancestor Gohan, who heard of it from Piccolo. However, the authenticity of the technique is disputed by savants of the Demon Style. Many argue that it is incompatible with Piccolo's signature combat techniques for close-range fighting. Furthermore, Rakkyo admitted that Mato could not remember personally witnessing the technique in use, nor could he recall asking Ancestor Gohan whether he had witnessed it either."

Looking at the patterns of ki spiraling around Mitsuba's fist, you're pretty sure the critics are right. The way she's shaping her energy looks something like the Makankosappo. It looks something like the traditional two-fisted blasts favored by Piccolo stylists at short to medium range, the ones whose authenticity is uniformly accepted. But it doesn't look enough like either.

On the other hand, the master in front of you seems determined to invent the attack, as it was described in the attestation of Rakkyo- whether it ever existed before or not. Her energy forms into a spike, crackling around her forearm like a spearhead. She jabs her fist forward in a sudden, sharp punch, screaming the name of this controversial, possibly-ancient technique.

As she releases her energy, Mitsuba screams.

"NAIL GUN!"



Mitsuba is among the top five percent of the Exiles in power level. She's a widely respected master of Demon Style. Even by that standard, the attack travels fast. Even at fifteen million, the spike's motion would be a blur. Hard to dodge, especially at the short range the attack was meant for.

But you're in a position to cheat. As Mitsuba gathers her ki, you quickly boost your power level to several times the maximum of an ordinary saiyan. Easy enough for you, even without touching the transformation. Time stretches out like molasses. You can watch the javelin of energy move in slow motion. Your eyes narrow a bit. The spike wavers with instability as it hisses downrange. You don't expect it to matter against the target plates- they're tough, but not that tough.

And yet. and yet...

With barely a shower of sparks scattering to the sides, the bolt slams through the plate, leaving a neat circular hole, then passes. Wavering and shimmering more obviously now, the attack detonates inside the heap of boulders like an armor-piercing shell. The mass of stone scatters far and wide, adding a few hundred tons' more gravel to the masses littering the floor of the chamber. The custodians will probably be coming down to re-vitrify it soon; it's getting messy in here.

Hm.

Now that you see it in action, you see the logic of the attack. Formed up into a spike, Mitsuba's ki gains the 'piercing' effect of high-density rays and beams, but then expends all its remaining energy on the target rather than simply burning through it.

Efficient at short range, packing a punch but wasting no energy on overpenetration. Powerful, hard to dodge, with relatively little collateral damage outside the immediate vicinity of the target. And ideally suited for gathering all one's remaining energy against a superior opponent to cause the maximum possible damage. Precisely as Rakkyo's tale claimed that Piccolo was said to have intended, on the one occasion when he actually attempted the attack in battle.

A very clever attack style, entirely typical of Demon Style's tricky, precise maneuvers...

...Aaaand unlikely to actually work.

Not with that instability you saw in the shaping of the spike. The attack would just pop, like a water balloon hitting a wall, if it ever hit anything strong enough to stop it. Against an enemy powerful enough to need such a tricky technique, Mitsuba's new attack would fail. Against something fragile enough for the spike to punch through, a normal ki blast would work better anyway.

Maybe the attack will do what it's supposed to someday. Eventually. But it needs work. A lot of work.

Mitsuba sags, looking dismayed; she seems to share your opinion.



Then, without warning, the entire chamber is wrapped in a blinding flash of purple light, Taiyoken-bright. A thunderous detonation washes over you. Your power level is still somewhere around seventy million, so you ride out the blast wave gracefully and look towards the source of the disturbance.

The Galick Gun duel is over. From the way that both the combatants are sprawled on their butts, gasping, with curls of smoke rising from their hair, it looks like they both lost. You can't help but think, in the habits of generation after generation of Gokun before you:

Stupid crazy Vegetans!

Hey, that gives you an idea! You take out your list again.

"TALK TO VALENTINE?"

You underline that and circle it a few times. It may be a good idea, or a really bad one, but either way you're going to need some extra thinking time to figure out which...
Oh, that's excellent. Compliant (with a caveat which I share below), with the greater bonus going towards convincing Dandeer.
@PoptartProdigy : Have the exiles managed to figure out a ki regeneration? Does not seem like a proper Piccolo style without any regeneration. If not, have they proved it impossible?

With our talent for medicine it might be worth trying to figure it out, but only if significant progress has already been made.
It's possible. It is something vanishingly few people have managed to do (Elite+ Talent), but it's possible. Reattaching limbs is much, "easier."
There are saiyans who never set foot inside a High Energy Room. If you're not actively planning to train up your power level into the hundreds of thousands at some point in your life, it will never be anything other than an unsafe place for you to go. If you're not planning to train up into the millions, there's no good reason to spend time there.
Here's that caveat I mentioned above. A matter of scale:

Almost every Exiles trains their power up into the millions; forget the hundreds of thousands. The current average power level for an adult Exile is 1.5 to 2 million. Seers and Sorcerers like Carrick and Dandeer are extremely unusual; they devote their time to their craft and art instead, specifically. It's actually a part of the reason why they're ostracized, in the very martial culture of the Exiles. While I like the idea, these High-Energy Training Rooms would be reserved for people shooting into the tens of millions, with sub-million power levels being hazardous to your health.
Then you get into questions of why they need air. We use oxygen to create energy. High level Ki users obviously don't get their energy from oxygen or anything else from their environment. It is not like they breath in the whole atmosphere with every breath.

@PoptartProdigy : How much medical research has been done on the effects of ki on the body?
I feel like I should point out that ki users do still need to breathe, and pass out and eventually die if deprived of air. This is not my headcanon, it is actual canon. They can cheat that -- Kakara has trapped air in her aura before -- but asphyxiation is asphyxiation. So clearly, they're getting something from it.

Research has been done, but its findings were that, despite what you'd expect, ki users aren't meaningfully different, medically, from regular people. They're healthier, generally, but then they do tend to be the kind of people who exercise religiously. They tend to be trauma patients more frequently, but that's a consequence of throwing around nukes casually when your anti-nuke defenses are consciously triggered rather than automatic, not because ki has a deleterious effect upon the structural integrity of the user's body. Overall, a person is a person, ki use or not, as far as medical professionals go.

What ki is, and how its users produce it without taking in noticeably more energy than non ki users, remains a mystery.
 
Almost every Exiles trains their power up into the millions; forget the hundreds of thousands. The current average power level for an adult Exile is 1.5 to 2 million. Seers and Sorcerers like Carrick and Dandeer are extremely unusual; they devote their time to their craft and art instead, specifically. It's actually a part of the reason why they're ostracized, in the very martial culture of the Exiles. While I like the idea, these High-Energy Training Rooms would be reserved for people shooting into the tens of millions, with sub-million power levels being hazardous to your health.
This seems a bit odd - we were at 12 million at the start of this quest aged what, 7? 8? Admittedly we had the best possible tutors etc., but if there's such a social stigma against not training up, it's weird that they don't just commit to training up part-time for a few years to something approaching "respectable". Even as a Sorcerer or Seer, it would help with reaction times.
 
I feel like I should point out that ki users do still need to breathe, and pass out and eventually die if deprived of air. This is not my headcanon, it is actual canon. They can cheat that -- Kakara has trapped air in her aura before -- but asphyxiation is asphyxiation. So clearly, they're getting something from it.

Is Vegeta's trick from BoD (compressing air within the lungs, to allows for longer periods out of the atmosphere) known? Is it possible?
 
It's why any method of increasing our PL or effective PL without reaching for SSJ2 deserves careful consideration.
Hmmm

Definite Effective PL increases: Tien Style Life Force burn and Jaffur Style

Definite PL increases: Kaioken

Possible: USSJ on contact

Oh, that's excellent. Compliant (with a caveat which I share below), with the greater bonus going towards convincing Dandeer.

It's possible. It is something vanishingly few people have managed to do (Elite+ Talent), but it's possible. Reattaching limbs is much, "easier."

Here's that caveat I mentioned above. A matter of scale:

Almost every Exiles trains their power up into the millions; forget the hundreds of thousands. The current average power level for an adult Exile is 1.5 to 2 million. Seers and Sorcerers like Carrick and Dandeer are extremely unusual; they devote their time to their craft and art instead, specifically. It's actually a part of the reason why they're ostracized, in the very martial culture of the Exiles. While I like the idea, these High-Energy Training Rooms would be reserved for people shooting into the tens of millions, with sub-million power levels being hazardous to your health.

I feel like I should point out that ki users do still need to breathe, and pass out and eventually die if deprived of air. This is not my headcanon, it is actual canon. They can cheat that -- Kakara has trapped air in her aura before -- but asphyxiation is asphyxiation. So clearly, they're getting something from it.

Research has been done, but its findings were that, despite what you'd expect, ki users aren't meaningfully different, medically, from regular people. They're healthier, generally, but then they do tend to be the kind of people who exercise religiously. They tend to be trauma patients more frequently, but that's a consequence of throwing around nukes casually when your anti-nuke defenses are consciously triggered rather than automatic, not because ki has a deleterious effect upon the structural integrity of the user's body. Overall, a person is a person, ki use or not, as far as medical professionals go.

What ki is, and how its users produce it without taking in noticeably more energy than non ki users, remains a mystery.
Question: Does the Four-Arm technique count as Ki Manipulation or a Ki Talent? Because similar to the multiform it has a myriad of non-combat uses, limited only to the user's imagination. By comparison, in combat it's simply used for grappling.

Also, do we get a separate Life-Force Conversion skill or is that just the Kikoho technique?
 
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This seems a bit odd - we were at 12 million at the start of this quest aged what, 7? 8? Admittedly we had the best possible tutors etc., but if there's such a social stigma against not training up, it's weird that they don't just commit to training up part-time for a few years to something approaching "respectable". Even as a Sorcerer or Seer, it would help with reaction times.
The best possible meaning your Dad, yes.

They don't because they want to do other things with their time. There's a social stigma against obesity, and yet we have people who don't work out.

The Exiles have shifted the social sweet spot from, "don't be obese," to, "must be able to match or overpower third-form Freeza," but that still is just the expectation. It's not a social imperative. The Seers and Sorcerers are going to be outcast no matter what they do, and they're well aware of that. Their, "weakness," is just icing on the cake. So why should they bother, from their perspective? Why sweat and strain when at the end of all of that, people are still going to ostracize them? They have other things they want to do. For instance, developing their special abilities further. And video games.

And internet forums. :lol

When the social benefits of becoming a planet-busting supermortal are stripped away, the effort required to get there looks much less appealing to most individuals.
Is Vegeta's trick from BoD (compressing air within the lungs, to allows for longer periods out of the atmosphere) known? Is it possible?
Not known, on either count. What Kakara does is trapping air inside her aura.
Question: Does the Four-Arm technique count as Ki Manipulation or a Ki Talent? Because similar to the multiform it has a myriad of non-combat uses, arguably more due to the increase in multi-tasking ability.

Also, do we get a separate Life-Force Conversion skill or is that just the Kikoho technique?
Talent, under Ki Control.

Just the Kikoho.
 
Hmmm

Definite Effective PL increases: Tien Style Life Force burn and Jaffur Style

Definite PL increases: Kaioken

Possible: USSJ on contact
Yup, also the Base form merging is another "possible". Next year I'm thinking we take Sensei up on his offer to so two Seer actions in a year, and hopefully get good enough we can reliably use a single action to "prune" many possible Research projects down to those which aren't complete dead ends, and maybe use it to See lost techniques (like PM and Spirit Bomb) in action. It probably depends on how many ongoing crises there are, though.
 
The best possible meaning your Dad, yes.

They don't because they want to do other things with their time. There's a social stigma against obesity, and yet we have people who don't work out.

The Exiles have shifted the social sweet spot from, "don't be obese," to, "must be able to match or overpower third-form Freeza," but that still is just the expectation. It's not a social imperative. The Seers and Sorcerers are going to be outcast no matter what they do, and they're well aware of that. Their, "weakness," is just icing on the cake. So why should they bother, from their perspective? Why sweat and strain when at the end of all of that, people are still going to ostracize them? They have other things they want to do. For instance, developing their special abilities further. And video games.

And internet forums. :lol

When the social benefits of becoming a planet-busting supermortal are stripped away, the effort required to get there looks much less appealing to most individuals.
Well, a) it's likely a required step towards acceptance, and b) so they can defend themselves better.

Also, they can use Ki to enhance their special abilities. :p
 
How in the heck would we manage without having so many actions is a question all its own.
 
Talent, under Ki Control.
Also, is Instant Transmission supposed to be in Combat? I understood the differences to be Ki Manip=Combat uses while Ki Talents= Non-combat, and as an FTL teleportation ability, Instant Transmission seems much more applicable outside of combat than inside. In fact, wouldn't just High speed dashing be faster at our Power levels until you reach enough skill to eliminate the need to concentrate?

Berra aside, even Goku only used it to launch surprise attacks.
 
How in the heck would we manage without having so many actions is a question all its own.

We're not managing with so many actions, so that's a redundant question. :p

We didn't get the hoped-for payoff of being able to keep on top of all our duties and manage crises whilst still having time to chase a few shinies and have some social as well, but the quest turned out to be such that we instead get just enough to cover our duties, our threats and a little social, whilst sacrificing some stuff to grab a shiny or two. Frankly, if we didn't chase Multiform and the action-increasing traits our situation would be outright dire - we'd have to make a choice between duties, training and any social at all. Shinies? Hah!
 
We didn't get the hoped-for payoff of being able to keep on top of all our duties and manage crises whilst still having time to chase a few shinies and have some social as well, but the quest turned out to be such that we instead get just enough to cover our duties, our threats and a little social, whilst sacrificing some stuff to grab a shiny or two. Frankly, if we didn't chase Multiform and the action-increasing traits our situation would be outright dire - we'd have to make a choice between duties, training and any social at all. Shinies? Hah!
We can still evolve Ambition and A Cause to gain a new action each. Hell, we might evolve a latter now since talking to Dandeer. Also, we might lose it. Just to keep in mind, since the trait is literally about opposing Dandeer.

It'll be amazing for our social and Hopeful traits though.
 
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