fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
I am somewhat hoping that hot-blooded will evolve into something more useful.
Dragon Ball: After the End
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
We're pretty committed to the conspiracy at this point - if we end up somehow feeling sorry for Dandeer, I'd expect A Cause to evolve into a more positive "save Jaffur" trait.
In fact, I'm hoping when we eventually free Jaffur it turns into a more open-ended version of itself - "Goal-Oriented" maybe?
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Bear in mind that the super material in question may be something like:
"Sure, to a scanning tunneling microscope, it's just rock. But we had a squad of genuine wizards cast genuine magic spells on the rocks for twelve hours a day, six days a week, for ten years before we decided it was ready for prime time. Now, if someone manages to blow up the planet, this part will still be there."
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
- Location
- Midwest, USA
[does cursory research on the RP, which I totally don't mind doing for amusement, I just resent situations where privileged access to RP or Poptarts-notes information starts being used to negate my own efforts to understand what's going on in this quest]
Absolutely no cross-pollination was involved, and I'm not sure I even knew Bassoon or the mythical Nail Gun attack existed, anywhere in the multiverse, before writing this omake and causing Gore17's sides to explode.
Seriously though, Mitsuba has no intention of stealing anything and is trying to invent the technique out of whole cloth independently. Most of her peers don't actually believe it's a thing and are reasonably confident she'll never succeed in refining it into a useful attack method. She would be extraordinary respectful and gracious should any time-traveling Namekians suddenly appear to tell her she's a misguided upstart who doesn't know how to shape an armor-piercing ki spike to save her life, and inform her that THIS is how it's done PROPERLY.
She'd even pay royalties, if she knew where and how to pay them to.
Obviously this will not be happening, but it would be a funny scene, I'm sure.
Bassoon would be more likely to be really impressed, and then help her figure it out the rest of the way, on the condition she attribute the "lost" technique to Nail himself. He invented it in the first place to help the technique not be a joke any more.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
To Mitsuba, Nail Gun isn't a joke. She quite sincerely believes that the technique once existed, and stood a chance of disabling Cell if he hadn't suckerpunched Piccolo before he could use it. And that, yes, Nail invented it, which probably explains (to her) why Piccolo didn't use it often after the fusion, because it wasn't one of his signature techniques. While she sees it as filling a natural hole in the Exiles' version of Demon Style, that doesn't mean PIccolo himself ever saw it that way, she figures.
She may be factually wrong to believe all these things, at least in the context of her own timeline. Rakkyo attested to a lot of things, after all, and not all of them were true. But she's dead serious about it.
That's the thing about the Exiles. They don't actually know what happened in those days, they have laboriously reconstructed third and fourth-hand oral accounts of all the action.
The tragedy of that is, they've forgotten and lost so much of their history and culture.
The comedy is, they're perfectly capable of mis-remembering things, trying something that shouldn't work, and succeeding anyway.
Well, that and things like getting to have Kakara watching two Vegetans spend twenty minutes engaging in a beam duel and going HAAAA and YAAAA at each other while their neck muscles bulge and their veins twitch, and thinking oh Ancestors are you SERIOUS?
She may be factually wrong to believe all these things, at least in the context of her own timeline. Rakkyo attested to a lot of things, after all, and not all of them were true. But she's dead serious about it.
That's the thing about the Exiles. They don't actually know what happened in those days, they have laboriously reconstructed third and fourth-hand oral accounts of all the action.
The tragedy of that is, they've forgotten and lost so much of their history and culture.
The comedy is, they're perfectly capable of mis-remembering things, trying something that shouldn't work, and succeeding anyway.
Well, that and things like getting to have Kakara watching two Vegetans spend twenty minutes engaging in a beam duel and going HAAAA and YAAAA at each other while their neck muscles bulge and their veins twitch, and thinking oh Ancestors are you SERIOUS?
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- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Yeah, Vegetans are pretty weird - neither of them succeeded in a Willpower Push for 20 minutes? Or did they both keep only succeeding when the other did?
(Not spoilering since it's not RP related.)
EDIT: Actually, I wonder how often you can attempt a Willpower Push?
ElleonXan
Self-Proclaimed King of the Dumpster Fires
- Location
- USA
Uh, @PoptartProdigy, this kinda seems to contradict what you wrote in Winter Has Come. Specifically, this part: (Bolded for emphasis)
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
I kinda didn't worry about the mechanics because I wanted a classic DBZ-esque beam struggle, complete with long filler shots of people yelling and straining against each other's beams, all taken to absurd lengths.
Bad idea evolving A Cause. The higher tier version aren't healthy.
The same may or may not apply to Ambition.
I was not aware that implementing performance standards for members of the armed forces, mandatory schooling amf public decency laws counted as enslavement.
Actually, I'm not sure the magic-based wards could stop such blasts.
I'm positive we just lose it actually. May or may not get a boost to our Base Willpower?
Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
Not necessarily. Poptart has been fairly clear that a trait line isn't linear and based on how we choose to evolve it or the events that lead to them the final iteration can be completely different.
The Fourth Monado
S U B A R A S H I I
- Location
- Away
*sounds of Poptart dissapointedly sighing that someone figured it out*
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
That...actually was a mistake on my part. Thank you for pointing it out. Nixing!
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
The fuck Dandeer option is not going to win and there is a new option of asking Valentine Somerlad if it is ok to train his son instead of going to Dandeer. That is what you need to know.
Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - Dragon Ball: After the End | Page 636 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 15911-16369]
##### NetTally 1.9.9
[X] The time has finally come. You need to talk to Dandeer again.
-[X] Ask Dad and Grandma for advice. Doubles as insurance as they know what's happening.
-[X] Also, double-check that Jaron actually got permission for the training. If he didn't, you'll offer a formal apology to Dandeer, because whatever your feelings for her are, it was genuinely negligent on your part.
-[X] Talk to Dandeer in private about Jaron and his wish to fight.
--[X] Also ask her about her long term plan. The current situation does not seem tenable long term. Jaron can't be kept in an infantile state of dependency forever, and the Vegetans obviously aren't happy with him not being allowed to train.
No. of Votes: 21
[X] Actually, Lord Vegeta has the authority to say whether his son can fight or not, even sealed. And with the secret of Ki out, we can simply talk directly to him. Ask Valentine Somerlad for permission to train his son in how to fight.
No. of Votes: 9
[X] Fuck. Dandeer. You've tiptoed around her for long enough. Her son has ki, and he's on-camera as somebody who helped take Murk down. You have all the justification you need to teach him how to fight with ki. Teach Jaron, and damn Dandeer's expressed feelings on the matter.
No. of Votes: 6
[X] *Take a long, deep breath* You hate Dandeer, Dandeer hates you. Surprisingly (not) You know that she hates you and she knows that you hate her. But her son wants to learn how to fight. Not her first born son, but her second son. And as much as you want to make that decision... you really can't not without putting everything that you have been working towards in danger. Which means that you are being put in a terrible, horrible position. You need to talk to Dandeer about this. Both in the Masque and out of it. You hate this idea, but this is the best way to handle things because she does not handle even the image of things not being run by her. And the worst part, if we refuse to do this... Jaron will go off and do this on his own. Dandeer has to understand that... Right? He is doing this because he wants to be a good son. So either she has to convince him not to do this... or she has to let him do this. The other option is to reveal that she knows about Ki and Magic, because Jaron is figuring it out on his own, and if he decides that he is going to do this... then he is going to do this unless she actually stops him.
No. of Votes: 2
[X] Lailoken
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Actually, Lord Vegeta has the authority to say whether his son can fight or not, even sealed. And with the secret of Ki out, we can simply talk directly to him. Ask Valentine Somerlad for permission to train his son in how to fight.
-[X] Dandeer has to be in the room
No. of Votes: 1
Total No. of Voters: 40
##### NetTally 1.9.9
[X] The time has finally come. You need to talk to Dandeer again.
-[X] Ask Dad and Grandma for advice. Doubles as insurance as they know what's happening.
-[X] Also, double-check that Jaron actually got permission for the training. If he didn't, you'll offer a formal apology to Dandeer, because whatever your feelings for her are, it was genuinely negligent on your part.
-[X] Talk to Dandeer in private about Jaron and his wish to fight.
--[X] Also ask her about her long term plan. The current situation does not seem tenable long term. Jaron can't be kept in an infantile state of dependency forever, and the Vegetans obviously aren't happy with him not being allowed to train.
No. of Votes: 21
[X] Actually, Lord Vegeta has the authority to say whether his son can fight or not, even sealed. And with the secret of Ki out, we can simply talk directly to him. Ask Valentine Somerlad for permission to train his son in how to fight.
No. of Votes: 9
[X] Fuck. Dandeer. You've tiptoed around her for long enough. Her son has ki, and he's on-camera as somebody who helped take Murk down. You have all the justification you need to teach him how to fight with ki. Teach Jaron, and damn Dandeer's expressed feelings on the matter.
No. of Votes: 6
[X] *Take a long, deep breath* You hate Dandeer, Dandeer hates you. Surprisingly (not) You know that she hates you and she knows that you hate her. But her son wants to learn how to fight. Not her first born son, but her second son. And as much as you want to make that decision... you really can't not without putting everything that you have been working towards in danger. Which means that you are being put in a terrible, horrible position. You need to talk to Dandeer about this. Both in the Masque and out of it. You hate this idea, but this is the best way to handle things because she does not handle even the image of things not being run by her. And the worst part, if we refuse to do this... Jaron will go off and do this on his own. Dandeer has to understand that... Right? He is doing this because he wants to be a good son. So either she has to convince him not to do this... or she has to let him do this. The other option is to reveal that she knows about Ki and Magic, because Jaron is figuring it out on his own, and if he decides that he is going to do this... then he is going to do this unless she actually stops him.
No. of Votes: 2
[X] Lailoken
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Actually, Lord Vegeta has the authority to say whether his son can fight or not, even sealed. And with the secret of Ki out, we can simply talk directly to him. Ask Valentine Somerlad for permission to train his son in how to fight.
-[X] Dandeer has to be in the room
No. of Votes: 1
Total No. of Voters: 40
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Link so I can switch to it?
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Which "winter is coming" or the more recent post?
- Location
- New York
[X] Actually, Lord Vegeta has the authority to say whether his son can fight or not, even sealed. And with the secret of Ki out, we can simply talk directly to him. Ask Valentine Somerlad for permission to train his son in how to fight.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
The problem is that you're retroactively defining the entire population to be "members of the armed forces" and forcing them all to take military training. That is to say, you're practicing conscription. While there are many cultures that don't consider conscription to be a form of slavery, there are many that do.Bad idea evolving A Cause. The higher tier version aren't healthy.
The same may or may not apply to Ambition.
I was not aware that implementing performance standards for members of the armed forces, mandatory schooling amf public decency laws counted as enslavement.
I think conscription is justified under a variety of circumstances- but to make it work without a well-justified rebellion, you need certain other elements in place. Government that has the consent of the governed, at least compared to the alternatives. Mechanisms in place to make sure the power to conscript is not used in some way abusive to the interests of the citizenry. A military that the citizenry as a whole can realistically aspire to high status in, and control of.
A feudal monarchy isn't really equipped to do all this, and as a result its populace will tend to resist universal conscription if they see it as unduly burdensome.
It might not be possible for one layer of wards to do that. How about several hundred such layers, interlocking and mutually reinforcing, laid on over the course of decades of labor?
Nothing retroactive about it, they are. It's part of their overall "warrior culture" deal.
How about this reason: the universe has ceased ignoring Garenhuld, and is now throwing one issue after another at it. We're eventually going out into the stars and carving out a chunk of it for ourselves. Get good, or be crushed by the universe.
Like, that "Masques on at all times outside of safe zones" ruling? Because eventually, non-Saiyan Ki Sensors/Scouters will be everywhere, and so they need to be under it at all times to avoid blowing the secret.
- Location
- Somewhere
These aliens are literally the only thing that has ever attacked the Exiles since they got to Garenhuld. I'm sure more stuff will come, this quest would be boring otherwise, but you can't just enforce obligatory training out of the blue. At least wait until the aliens inevitably alert the rest of the Universe that saiyans live there after they're defeated.Nothing retroactive about it, they are. It's part of their overall "warrior culture" deal.
How about this reason: the universe has ceased ignoring Garenhuld, and is now throwing one issue after another at it. We're eventually going out into the stars and carving out a chunk of it for ourselves. Get good, or be crushed by the universe.
Like, that "Masques on at all times outside of safe zones" ruling? Because eventually, non-Saiyan Ki Sensors/Scouters will be everywhere, and so they need to be under it at all times to avoid blowing the secret.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
What would the reaction of the exiles be if Beerus showed up? Everyone would be glad for Kakara's communication skills then.
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
Can Kakara Cook? more precisely, can she bake deserts?
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
She can use instance transmission.
However someday we will have good enough ki control to made a apple pie from scratch.
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