Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
Is that where she moves one instance of Kakara to another point?
Dragon Ball: After the End
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
There's a difference between each individual saiyan having an identity as a warrior, and each individual saiyan being part of an army subject to military discipline if they fail to report for sufficient training.Nothing retroactive about it, they are. It's part of their overall "warrior culture" deal.
The current saiyan culture is extremely laissez-faire regarding combat training. Every saiyan is encouraged to develop their powers up to the legal limit, but no saiyan is required to do so. The Lords have nominal authority to order their people around, but that authority has limits and has little to do with day-to-day affairs. While Lord Berra clearly has an organized 'army' of warriors, they appear to make up only a small percentage of the population and appear to be organized on a voluntary basis from among those most willing to fight out of personal loyalty to Berra.
You cannot turn around on a dime with a society like that and suddenly decree universal conscription and regimentation "for the good of the nation." This isn't Civilization II, you can't just push the 'revolution' button and go from feudalism to the levee en masse in a heartbeat.
That is a charming political ideology that may well be 100% correct... but you're going to have to convince people of it. And it's going to bring with it a social upheaval. Say, a social upheaval in which the entire society just might wonder how we're going to take on the galaxy like you say, if we only have six super-saiyans. Maybe we need more. Maybe we need a lot more. Isn't it important for everyone to power up to the highest possible level?
Wouldn't it be better if instead of six super-saiyans we had sixty thousand?
Gee, things could get weird then. Radical social changes are dangerous, especially in a system as potentially fragile as that of the Exiles. Remember that all it would really take is a sufficiently organized super-saiyan revolt, with a significant number of 'point men' willing to risk highly probable death to bring down the monarchy, to destroy the current system.
Remember what I said about how going from feudal monarchy to universal conscription in ten years was a consequence of the French Revolution? And how we don't want Kakara to wind up in a position comparable to that of Louis Philippe II of France?
Please pay attention to that part. I'm not saying it has to change your mind, but listen to it.
I believe that at some point, Poptart said that every saiyan is taught in their youth who and what the known gods are, and how to be polite to them, in the unlikely event that they ever appear.
Yes, but only when she uses it with Multiform.Is that where she moves one instance of Kakara to another point?
Simon, I'm going to say this politely as possible: please, stop talking about this. The whole thing was being whimsical and humourous, based on a potential idea of what we might have to implement in the far future. You have devoted more words and thought then it's worth. I made that reply since you had made a big enough post about it that I felt it rude not to give a response, and now you've taken that and provided an even bigger response. Rather then continue this and watch it devolve as I engage you out of a sense of responsibility, I'm stopping here.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
"Winter Is Coming." I had made a note that Vegeta's condensed oxygen trick was not something the Exiles actually had (or, indeed, had ever been invented, given that I use BOD's system, not BOD's canon), but somehow I flipped it to, "yes, of course they have it."
I suspect I may have written that update late at night.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Tomorrow.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
My apologies for taking you seriously.
Perhaps I should not make the same mistake again.
Awfully snide for somebody who has to use the ignore tool on criticism.
- Location
- United States
[X] Actually, Lord Vegeta has the authority to say whether his son can fight or not, even sealed. And with the secret of Ki out, we can simply talk directly to him. Ask Valentine Somerlad for permission to train his son in how to fight.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Can't hear tone in text - I suspect both parties feel affronted here.
On an unrelated note, we should consider actively organising the search for the dragon next year - if we can find it before it wakes up we can gank it, and if we find it before it draws near Garenhuld we can use our full PLs in a kaiju fight.
ChildishChimera
A umbran summon
- Location
- New York
I don't know why but I expect the dragon to look like the namekind one.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
I'll be surprised if it bears more than a superficial resemblance to any of the Dragonball dragons. In fact, given that we've only seen a single eye, it's likely not even a dragon at all!
Information: Official Staff Communication
- Location
- The Hague
- Pronouns
- He/Him
official staff communication
This kind of snippy posting is not really on. You're supposed to be adults, right? Act like it.
I don't like popping up like this, so I'd remind everyone in the thread that the best way to avoid getting interrupted is to be chill. Both generally and with each other. Bristling at another user's post? Getting worked up about the votes being made? Step away from the computer for a little bit. With respect to PoptartProdigy, this is still just a Dragon Ball fanfic, not the actual direction of survivors of a colossal apocalypse. There's no need to get up in someone's face over it. Yeah?
I don't like popping up like this, so I'd remind everyone in the thread that the best way to avoid getting interrupted is to be chill. Both generally and with each other. Bristling at another user's post? Getting worked up about the votes being made? Step away from the computer for a little bit. With respect to PoptartProdigy, this is still just a Dragon Ball fanfic, not the actual direction of survivors of a colossal apocalypse. There's no need to get up in someone's face over it. Yeah?
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
No disrespect taken. I've said much the same thing myself before.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Hey @PoptartProdigy , is it too late to ask to spend our training/time in a Saiyan Masque where possible? We forgot about it in the yearly vote.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
Come to think about it, does our ki feel too different under the saiyan masque (as compared to when we are under no masque at all)? Like, would we be recognized as Kakara from ki sense alone or as a different species than the other saiyans? Also, does it has an effect like the normal masque in that while one part is active the other sleeps so that we don't need to sleep as long as we switch disguises?Hey @PoptartProdigy , is it too late to ask to spend our training/time in a Saiyan Masque where possible? We forgot about it in the yearly vote.
Finally, do you have to be a descendant of the masque's species to use it? Like, could a human use a saiyan masque or a non-human alien use a human masque?
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
You're doing it.Hey @PoptartProdigy , is it too late to ask to spend our training/time in a Saiyan Masque where possible? We forgot about it in the yearly vote.
You would feel subtly different, but it's very slight. People would guess confusedly that you maybe had a fraternal twin, or that you were feeling off.
Your base form gains the benefits of sleep while you are under any Masque.
You haven't undertaken any scholarship into magic, and that's not common knowledge, so you don't know.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - Dragon Ball: After the End | Page 636 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 15911-16460]
##### NetTally 1.9.9
[X] The time has finally come. You need to talk to Dandeer again.
-[X] Ask Dad and Grandma for advice. Doubles as insurance as they know what's happening.
-[X] Also, double-check that Jaron actually got permission for the training. If he didn't, you'll offer a formal apology to Dandeer, because whatever your feelings for her are, it was genuinely negligent on your part.
-[X] Talk to Dandeer in private about Jaron and his wish to fight.
--[X] Also ask her about her long term plan. The current situation does not seem tenable long term. Jaron can't be kept in an infantile state of dependency forever, and the Vegetans obviously aren't happy with him not being allowed to train.
No. of Votes: 20
[X] Actually, Lord Vegeta has the authority to say whether his son can fight or not, even sealed. And with the secret of Ki out, we can simply talk directly to him. Ask Valentine Somerlad for permission to train his son in how to fight.
No. of Votes: 13
[X] Fuck. Dandeer. You've tiptoed around her for long enough. Her son has ki, and he's on-camera as somebody who helped take Murk down. You have all the justification you need to teach him how to fight with ki. Teach Jaron, and damn Dandeer's expressed feelings on the matter.
No. of Votes: 3
[X] *Take a long, deep breath* You hate Dandeer, Dandeer hates you. Surprisingly (not) You know that she hates you and she knows that you hate her. But her son wants to learn how to fight. Not her first born son, but her second son. And as much as you want to make that decision... you really can't not without putting everything that you have been working towards in danger. Which means that you are being put in a terrible, horrible position. You need to talk to Dandeer about this. Both in the Masque and out of it. You hate this idea, but this is the best way to handle things because she does not handle even the image of things not being run by her. And the worst part, if we refuse to do this... Jaron will go off and do this on his own. Dandeer has to understand that... Right? He is doing this because he wants to be a good son. So either she has to convince him not to do this... or she has to let him do this. The other option is to reveal that she knows about Ki and Magic, because Jaron is figuring it out on his own, and if he decides that he is going to do this... then he is going to do this unless she actually stops him.
No. of Votes: 2
[X] Lailoken
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Actually, Lord Vegeta has the authority to say whether his son can fight or not, even sealed. And with the secret of Ki out, we can simply talk directly to him. Ask Valentine Somerlad for permission to train his son in how to fight.
-[X] Dandeer has to be in the room
No. of Votes: 1
Total No. of Voters: 40
##### NetTally 1.9.9
[X] The time has finally come. You need to talk to Dandeer again.
-[X] Ask Dad and Grandma for advice. Doubles as insurance as they know what's happening.
-[X] Also, double-check that Jaron actually got permission for the training. If he didn't, you'll offer a formal apology to Dandeer, because whatever your feelings for her are, it was genuinely negligent on your part.
-[X] Talk to Dandeer in private about Jaron and his wish to fight.
--[X] Also ask her about her long term plan. The current situation does not seem tenable long term. Jaron can't be kept in an infantile state of dependency forever, and the Vegetans obviously aren't happy with him not being allowed to train.
No. of Votes: 20
[X] Actually, Lord Vegeta has the authority to say whether his son can fight or not, even sealed. And with the secret of Ki out, we can simply talk directly to him. Ask Valentine Somerlad for permission to train his son in how to fight.
No. of Votes: 13
[X] Fuck. Dandeer. You've tiptoed around her for long enough. Her son has ki, and he's on-camera as somebody who helped take Murk down. You have all the justification you need to teach him how to fight with ki. Teach Jaron, and damn Dandeer's expressed feelings on the matter.
No. of Votes: 3
[X] *Take a long, deep breath* You hate Dandeer, Dandeer hates you. Surprisingly (not) You know that she hates you and she knows that you hate her. But her son wants to learn how to fight. Not her first born son, but her second son. And as much as you want to make that decision... you really can't not without putting everything that you have been working towards in danger. Which means that you are being put in a terrible, horrible position. You need to talk to Dandeer about this. Both in the Masque and out of it. You hate this idea, but this is the best way to handle things because she does not handle even the image of things not being run by her. And the worst part, if we refuse to do this... Jaron will go off and do this on his own. Dandeer has to understand that... Right? He is doing this because he wants to be a good son. So either she has to convince him not to do this... or she has to let him do this. The other option is to reveal that she knows about Ki and Magic, because Jaron is figuring it out on his own, and if he decides that he is going to do this... then he is going to do this unless she actually stops him.
No. of Votes: 2
[X] Lailoken
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Actually, Lord Vegeta has the authority to say whether his son can fight or not, even sealed. And with the secret of Ki out, we can simply talk directly to him. Ask Valentine Somerlad for permission to train his son in how to fight.
-[X] Dandeer has to be in the room
No. of Votes: 1
Total No. of Voters: 40
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Don't we already go without sleep through using the Human masque?
The Fourth Monado
S U B A R A S H I I
- Location
- Away
Naw, it's probably gonna be a massive Hildugarn reference
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
[smiles glassily with fixed, thousand yard stare]
No comment at this time.
Well said. "Dragon" may well be a spectacularly inaccurate description of the creature. On the other hand, it's a good working title until something better comes along. I'm reminded of a passage from Roger Zelazny's Lord of Light.
While Yama has a very good comeback to this, there's a certain insight in Tak's comment.Zelazny said:
It makes little difference whether the creature that assails us be, strictly speaking, a dragon or not. Not so long as it is malefic, possesses great powers and ferocity, and operates on a level above and beyond the scale of normal mortals. 'Dragon' adequately conveys the spirit of the thing as a working title, if not the actuality of thing from the standpoint of taxonomy.
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As to the rest, well, if I had to pick one hypothesis above all others, it would be for the creature we're about to encounter to be some variation on the great magical dragons that give Dragonball its name. But there are so many other possibilities that I agree with you- there's no reason to get married to any one hypothesis, even if we use "the dragon" as a working title that adequately conveys the being's great power and menace.
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