..Is this from Super, or? Because if so, all it proves is that Videl stopped training.
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Maybe from super but surely from the Battle of Gods Movie. I skipped the fiest part of the Beerus arc in the anime so I can't be sure but I see no reason they would remove that scene.
Battle of Gods, and it's hard to imagine her backsliding to the point having less ki and control than Goku did when the Dragonball series began. If nothing else, she was still able to levitate at the time and almost certainly wouldn't want to lose the ability to fly. Just routinely fucking Gohan should have been more than enough of a workout for that.
Eh? Goku from the beginning of Dragon Ball could throw a goddamn car and kill a giant bearman in one hit, Videl was never anywhere as strong as that.
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Have we ever seen a Saiyan who couldn't? Gohan slammed headfirst through a tree before he was old enough to walk. Seems as if it is more a matter of biology.
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It's a matter of Saiyans having a naturally higher amount of ki/power level, yes, but I don't see anything about Saiyans being physically stronger than other beings at their power level. Initial Yamcha, who was weaker than Initial Goku, punched Goku so hard he flew through several stone pillars, don't think Videl would be able to do that either.
Aranfan
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Vegeta ripped off the Kienzan after seeing it once.
Edit: For that matter so did Freeza.
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I don't remember anything that implies he ripped it off from Krilling rather than having known it since before he came to Earth (he might have stolen the idea from Freeza, though).
Aranfan
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Freeza also only used the kienzan alike after Krillin used it on him. Going by the many examples we have of people ripping off techniques after seeing them once in DBZ, I think it's safer to assume that it was copied than already known. After all, Nappa didn't recognize it, and at the time they were a pair and should have known what the other knew. Vegeta recognizing what the Kienzan would do was supposed to be foreshadowing that Vegeta was even more badass than Nappa.
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There is no evidence to suggest that he knew of the Destructo Disk before, other than him seeing the rather obviously deadly attack for what it was.
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So pure humans don't have a power cap?
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Even if Nappa had seen Vegeta use it before, it's not like he'd know it'd be effective against stronger opponents, since I doubt Vegeta had ever fought anyone significantly stronger than himself before (well, not in a deadly fight, at least). When techniques are being copied, it's also usually noted by someone, which it wasn't in this case.
As for Freeza copying the Kienzan, I find that very unlikely, because he'd not only have to copy it from Krillin but also improve it by making it controllable with hand movements when none of his other attacks could be controlled after they were fired. Also, while he only used the thing after Krillin used Kienzan on him, it was also the first time we saw him fight an opponent he couldn't beat by powering up and winning through sheer power.
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Frieza's attack could be controled from a distance making it better than the kienzan and Krillin attacked from behind Frieza when he used kienzan. I think it is fairly safe to say Frieza knew that attack from before, it just that he hadn't needed it until his fight with Goku.
Vegeta, on the other hand... he used a ki attack that cut but the doesn't necessarily mean it was a kienzan. He might have gotten the idea from Krillin or he might have not but I think Krillin's move might have been a bit more refined. Either way, that a ki attack cuts does not necesarily mean that it is a kienzan or inspired by it just like it being shot from a finger does not mean it was inspired by dodonpa. I don't think Vegeta went through the motions Krillin did to build the attack either rather than just shot it.
I mean, the universo is a big place and there are many ways to manipulate ki. Just because two attacks are similar or someone improvises an attack with a similar effect, it doesn't mean someone stole from another. It is probably just a ki blast set to pierce rather than explode and shaped like a disk. That would do the job with being the super assassination technique designed to punch above his weight class.
Aranfan
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Goku also used the Sokidan against him.
Aranfan
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As I had said, Goku used the Sokidan against Freeza, and Krillin the Kienzan. There are enough instances of technique copying that it is not at all implausible for Freeza to have just copied the two and mashed them together. Add to how the wider Galaxy is consistently presented as having vastly inferior understanding of ki and it's uses, and I think it is entirely plausible and indeed in theme for Krillin to have invented what is probably the most powerful move in the entire series.
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Ok, look at it this way. What do you think most likely? That Frieza copied and combined two techniques, one of which he didn't even see properly and both of them using principles about ki he didn't know before (according to your premise that the wider galaxy is not as good with ki) and then didn't brag about how awesome he was? Or that he already had the technique and simply had not used it?
I mean, I love Krillin but the universe is big enough that other people can come with similar ideas and it is not like PTF were totaly hopeless since both Ginyu and frieza could raise their PL even if they couldn't sense ki.
Aranfan
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Given that in Dragon Ball it has been established that copying a technique is significantly easier than developing one, I say the first one. Also, bragging? Manga Freeza is not TFS Freeza.
Yamcha had a lot of physical training. Toriyama designated Videl at 30 when fighting Majin Soppovich. Goku started the series at 10, but he was a shapeshifting warrior species who evolved on a 10G world and whose body had already adapted to a near-fatal cranial impact. We know that there are biological differences independent of simple power level- metabolism, for one. No amount of ki is going to make a human survive solely off water or sprout a new arm like a namekian, and just eating like a Saiyan would be outright lethal if not physically impossible. Power level isn't everything, especially at low levels.
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Its a different color, a different size, he can use two at once and they can be guided.
They are no more the same attack then the Galick Gun and Kamehameha
Plus Freiza actually remembers to uses his
Eh? Can I have the source for this, please?
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LIke her Father, Videl was never much of a fighter compared to the others, even if she picked up a few ki tricks.
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And now I want to see a fic in which Tien achieves enlightment and survives solely on wáter and a grain of rice. Then he loses an arm in a fight and adapts the four witches technique to regrow it, albeit temporarily.
Yeah, it's definitely not. While some of the power levels seem good enough (though I don't think those are canon either), it gives Pilaf Saga Pilaf a power level of 40 (higher than Gokus), Bulma a power level of 12 (again, higher than Goku's). In fact, most people in the Pilaf Saga (including Chi Chi and Pilaf's henchmen) have a higher level than Goku according to this thing, which is plainly untrue.
(There's also a bunch of other crap in it which I can comment on if you want me to, but those are definitely not the canon power levels).
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My spidey-sense is tingling! Anyone call for a vote-placer?
I'd vote for this so hard my keyboard would bleed.