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Dragon Ball: After the End

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Bommelom said:
Yeah, it's definitely not. While some of the power levels seem good enough (though I don't think those are canon either), it gives Pilaf Saga Pilaf a power level of 40 (higher than Gokus), Bulma a power level of 12 (again, higher than Goku's). In fact, most people in the Pilaf Saga (including Chi Chi and Pilaf's henchmen) have a higher level than Goku according to this thing, which is plainly untrue.

(There's also a bunch of other crap in it which I can comment on if you want me to, but those are definitely not the canon power levels).
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While I agree with you on Pilaf, Bulma's power level was for her during the "Saiyans are Coming, Need to Train" part of Dragon Ball Z. Though all the "Power Levels" from the 3rd Movie Pamphlet are really off, but perhaps that's due to the movie occuring in an alternate continuity? ;)

Though back on the Bulma thing, considering everything she's been through, and everyone she knows/hangs out with, her being stronger then a normal human would not be surprising.
 
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Gore17 said:
Though back on the Bulma thing, considering everything she's been through, and everyone she knows/hangs out with, her being stronger then a normal human would not be surprising.
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She never trained or fought, the closest she has been to any of those is being pregnant with a half saiyan and the process that lead to that state. Why would she be stronger than a normal human?
 
Bakkasama said:
Humans don't zenkai. Granted, someone should probably have told that to Krillin on Namek, but I would like to think that angry sex with Vegeta was not involved in his case either.
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Dying laughing here, but as much a joke as my statement was I was essentially proposing it as... vigorous exercise. Working out seems to be a major factor in gaining power levels.
 
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Lailoken said:
whose body had already adapted to a near-fatal cranial impact.
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I don't think we're ever told that the impact was near-fatal. Might've been near-fatal for an Earthling baby but it's apparently common enough with Saiyan children that Raditz immediately identifies what caused the personality shift.

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And now I want to see a fic in which Tien achieves enlightment
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In canon, Tien got his third eye from deep meditation so in a way he already has. Before anyone suggests we get our own, Tien was from the Three-Eyed Clan and the ability to get the third eye is probably limited to them.
 
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And Everything Was Fine
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    • [X] Tell the truth. It's not like you would lie about being a Seer.
    -[X] Offer to demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes. It might be enough evidence if they don't believe you, or want confirmation.
    -[X] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been watched, because we haven't sensed anyone and we're one of the best ki sensors in the world.
    - - [X] Make sure to actually make the tailed pun
    -[X] And if he's willing why they're so devoted to Jaffur? This goes beyond loyalty to a Lord and you noticed it before the Sealing even occurred.

    And Everything Was Fine​

    You swallow nervously. This, much like your attempts to free Jaffur, are something you've shared with almost nobody. Just Sensei and your parents. Still, you've let it slip, now you have to explain it.

    With more complete honesty!

    "I...I Saw it," you say, looking down out of nerves.

    "How?" he asks, not getting it. "I mean, you- wait, you aren't a Sorcerer, are you?"

    "No!" you say. "No, that's not...I Saw it."

    "Lady Scion, I'm afraid that I don't understand what y-" His eyes widen. "Wait...you're..."

    "I'm a Seer," you say, fiddling with your hands. "I Saw Jaffur trapped in his own mind. For a little while there it looked like he could feel me there or something, but then I left."

    Head Raditz rocks back on his heels, a stunned breath leaving him. "That's...incredible. It's unbelievable. Not that I don't believe you, but..."

    "I could show you," you say. "My eyes go white when I have a vision, and there's one around here that wants me to let it in."

    He blinks at your phrasing, but nods.

    You focus, and-

    * * *

    Away

    * * *
    ​
    Betarel lands next to you. "My family has the best home," he says, grinning.

    "I'll say!" you reply, smiling back. "That was a strong blast, too! Have you been training lately?" Your eyes flicker down towards his chest for a moment.

    He flushes. "Well, a bit. I mean, not too much. I work out."

    You laugh gaily, putting a hand on his shoulder and hoping you don't look as nervous as you feel. "Well I'm impressed."

    OH KAIS DID I JUST SAY THAT WHY DID I DO THAT AAAAAAAAAA-

    You flush, looking away. Happily enough, he seems to be doing the same-

    * * *

    AAAABACKBACK

    * * *
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    You can feel your cheeks turning red as you drop the vision like it's hot. When you get to be teenage you, you're going to hit yourself! She always feels so weird to scry from!

    Fortunately, Raditz doesn't seem to notice. "Amazing," he says, peering at your eyes as they return to normal. "I would never have guessed..."

    "Well, now you know!" you say, hoping to move the conversation onwards. "So, um, what was that you said about Jaffur being watched. Or...tailed?" You give him a wide grin, hoping that your cheesy attempt at humor throws him off.

    He raises an eyebrow at you. "That was bad."

    You rub at the back of your scalp, chuckling nervously.

    "So bad it's funny," he says, ruffling your hair and ignoring your offended squawk. "Yes, he's being tailed, as you put it. His mother either has somebody on him at all hours or asks your father to put somebody on him."

    "But how?" you ask. "I've never sensed anyone. And I don't know anybody who's better at ki sensing than me."

    "Really? I'd heard you had a talent, but that's impressive, especially at your age. But in any case, yes, she usually had somebody there. Your math teacher is a Vegetan saiyan, for instance."

    Your jaw drops.

    "Whenever he has to take a day off, your usual substitute is a Gokun lady your father loans for the purpose," Raditz continues. "Both of them fervent loyalists, I'm afraid, or else we'd have tried to subvert them."

    You lean against the battlements. You had literally never guessed that Lady Vegeta might hide watchers in Masque form, but now that it's been spelled out for you, it's obvious. Of course you didn't sense anybody sneaking around; they were right there in plain view! They would sense like normal humans and everything! It's the perfect disguise! In fact, it's so perfect that you never even thought that it could be used against you like this.

    You fume quietly for a moment before shaking your head. "I guess that makes sense."

    "An unfortunate amount of it, yes. Any other questions?"

    "Well..." You ponder for a moment. "...Head Raditz, why does your family like Jaffur so much? I mean, that's not just Clan loyalty. I don't understand."

    Raditz pauses. And then he sighs, shifting his weight. "That's a fair question. How much do you know of my family?"

    You shrug. "My lessons say you tend to be neutral in Clan politics and favor a strong Clan leader."

    He hums. "True. But our history isn't so tidy. My family is powerful. They didn't get there by being nice. My ancestors were quite ruthless in taking power in both our world and the human world. Quite a few people got stepped on. But one line they never crossed -- one thing they always held sacred -- was family. Now my House is strong and influential, and I have the luxury of trying to be a good and honorable man. But my ancestors were right about at least one thing. Family comes first. Jaffur will be an amazing Lord some day, and the Clan will grow stronger. And more than that...I won't have to watch my nephew be chained inside his own body anymore." He stands, giving you a sad smile. "Sometimes, it's as simple as that. Jaffur is my nephew and almost a son, and I love him dearly. And I will see him freed."

    He takes a breath. "Any further questions?"


    [ ] Yes.
    -[ ] Write-in what.
    [ ] No.
    -[ ] Time to leave.
    -[ ] Visit Betarel.
    -[ ] Planning session.
    -[ ] Spar?
    [ ] Write-in.

    THIS VOTE IS NOW CLOSED

    Quick one, this update. In this one, it turns out that Raditz really is just a highly decent individual.

    ...or he's lying so proficiently that you're failing all of your background Deceit checks. Who knows which? :lol:evil:

    Enjoy, everybody! Now, I'm taking an early night, and will thus be unable to field questions for the next while. See ya!

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    -[] Ask for advice on working around the watchers and contacting the Senzus without sending out a ki pulse.
    [] Planning session
    [] Visit Betarel

    This alright?

    EDIT: I'm thinking about adding this to Visit Betarel:
    -[] Ask if he can teach us the Galick Gun before we leave and in exchange we'll teach him the Kamehameha.

    Seems like a simple and opportune way to get an extra technique in this update. If the Kamehameha can be learned in a few minutes then so can the Galick Gun. It also strengthens the bond between us and our oldest friend by learning cool moves from each other.
     
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    Andres110 said:
    [] Yes
    -[] Ask for advice on working around the watchers and contacting the Senzus without sending out a ki pulse.
    [] Planning session
    [] Visit Betarel

    This alright?

    EDIT: I'm thinking about adding this to Visit Betarel:
    -[] Ask if he can teach us the Galick Gun before we leave and in exchange we'll teach him the Kamehameha.

    Seems like a simple and opportune way to get an extra technique in this update. If the Kamehameha can be learned in a few minutes then so can the Galick Gun. It also strengthens the bond between us and our oldest friend by learning cool moves from each other.
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    Well, if we're really going to go all in trusting them and exchange techniques as well, as least one of them needs to learn goddammed Instant Transmission. The fact that he's claiming that an entire house doesn't have a single member who knows it is to the best evidence that he's hiding something. It's a technique with extreme utility even in non-combat or the human world.
     
    Lailoken said:
    Well, if we're really going to go all in trusting them and exchange techniques as well, as least one of them needs to learn goddammed Instant Transmission.
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    The Kamehameha isn't so rare or valuable that it's something you teach only to those you trust. The trade is something that requires little effort for negligible tangible change due to the similarity between the Kamehameha and the Galick Gun. Its only real worth is in making us better friends with Betarel. Instant Transmission is a very difficult technique and can't be taught quickly like the Kamehameha/Galick Gun, making it inappropriate for the social action the technique-sharing is.
     
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    They may just not have anyone able to do it right now.
    I mean it seems to be a Goku style specialty, so a prominent Vegetan Clan lacking a Goku (style) technique wouldn't be that odd. The odd Ki master may not have the chops to demonstrate at the moment, or they may have all died in the various conflicts in the semi-recent past (Rebellions, duels(?) Human world political assassinations (Senzu keep high level in both sides, so they could get killed in Masque) etc.)
    Add to the whole Sedentary/Fortress/Agriculture vibe that the Senzu give off and I can easily see them as a clan that favours more defensive/stand-and-fight styles than one that enables ludicrous mobility in non-melee (I mean IT is usually not combat viable, and that doesn't scream Vegetan to me).

    Plus it gives us a chance to offer it as part of a Betarel training exchange. Our visions indicate he become Kakara's type post-puberty.
    May as well use the Sight for our puerile Genji-style set-ups while we can (joking).
     
    Their history of one of dark ages and decline. Recent history is of the fragility of the current system. Relations across houses, much less clans are terribly strained. They took the effort to magically fortify their home against ki bombardment.

    Any competent head would be ensuring that at least one member always knows any given technique, much less one of such everyday utility and very close to the only interstellar capability the entire species possesses. There is simply no excuse for this kind of lackadaisical attitude unless the technique is one of the heavily controlled ones, and it doesn't seem to be.
     
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    [X] Yes
    -[X] Ask for advice on working around the watchers and contacting the Senzus without sending out a ki pulse.
    [X] Planning session
    [X] Visit Betarel
    -[X] If he wants, we can teach him the Kamehameha and he can teach us the Galick Gun.
     
    Lailoken said:
    Their history of one of dark ages and decline. Recent history is of the fragility of the current system. Relations across houses, much less clans are terribly strained. They took the effort to magically fortify their home against ki bombardment.

    Any competent head would be ensuring that at least one member always knows any given technique, much less one of such everyday utility and very close to the only interstellar capability the entire species possesses. There is simply no excuse for this kind of lackadaisical attitude unless the technique is one of the heavily controlled ones, and it doesn't seem to be.
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    What every day utility? They don't use their powers as humans, and if they are, what do they need it for? Especially with how fast they are already.

    Interstellar capability? Besides the fact that Saiyans generally don't go off-world, the Senzu possess a spaceship.
     
    Lailoken said:
    Their history of one of dark ages and decline. Recent history is of the fragility of the current system. Relations across houses, much less clans are terribly strained. They took the effort to magically fortify their home against ki bombardment.

    Any competent head would be ensuring that at least one member always knows any given technique, much less one of such everyday utility and very close to the only interstellar capability the entire species possesses. There is simply no excuse for this kind of lackadaisical attitude unless the technique is one of the heavily controlled ones, and it doesn't seem to be.
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    I don't agree; these techniques are already fairly well-known, and if the guy is as loyal as he's coming across as then he would (until very recently) only be concerned if Clan Vegeta as a whole was unable to perform a move.

    And I'd still like to be a semi-secret seer so:

    [X] Yes
    -[X] Ask for advice on working around the watchers and contacting the Senzus without sending out a ki pulse.
    -[X] Also, we let slip that we're a seer here, but we can limit the damage; request that he keep our spooky white eyes a secret, since while it was relevant to our strategy in dealing with the sealing here, we don't really want it getting around.
    [X] Planning session
    [X] Visit Betarel
    -[X] If he wants, we can teach him the Kamehameha and he can teach us the Galick Gun.
     
    There are two things we need from him. Confirmation that keeping Jaron alive is the best for Jaffur and thus that they will aim for that and a way to keep in contact in case there are new developements.

    [x] Planning session.
    [x] Visit Betarel

    This way we set a mean of communication, ask what they need to investigate a counter for the seal and see about suggestions to try diplomacy first.

    Thinking about it, we should tell grandma of the vision and ask for the best way to convince Berra it is true.
     
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