Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
So what's the verdict?
Dragon Ball: After the End
So what's the verdict?
- Location
- Newer England
Only 2 more votes after the last tally, so it's looking like Honest Truth won.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Indeed.
Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - Dragon Ball: After the End | Page 192 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.4
[X] Plan Honest Truth
-[X] Tell him you came here because you want to unseal Jaffur, and, well, Dandelor is a sorceror who's very opposed to Dandeer. You also want to ask him a few questions, though.
-[X] Don't necessarily do everything below in order, do it in the way that makes most sense.
-[X] You're curious to why precisely they hid, and what they have been doing for the last two years.
--[X] Did they hide because Raditz almost transformed, because they believe Dandeer's rule is unlawful or because they're planning something?
-[X] What do they know about the seal? Do they know how to undo it?
--[X] If they don't know, tell them that Jaron and Jaffur are separate people and the seal trapped Jaffur within his own mind.
---[X] Note that Jaffur seems to be growing attached to Jaron and that simply unsealing Jaffur by getting rid of Jaron might not be a good idea.
-[X] How much do they know about what's been happening outside?
--[X] If the answer is "not much", tell them the important events of the last two years.
-[X] What do they think should be done with Lord Vegeta? Also, while you think he's a horrible father and person, how was he as a ruler compared to Yammar, or, if they've been observing recent events, Dandeer?
No. of Votes: 8
[x] First you want to know what have they been up to. They went into hiding in response to the sealing. What do they plan to do about it?
No. of Votes: 4
[X] Plan Tea Party
[X] I haven't seen Betreal in SO LONG! Like, forever. I wanted to see him again! He was my first real friend, you know. I wanted to invite him to a tea party for all of my non-Super Saiyan friends! I'm gonna invite Sophie and Maya and Jennifer - she hates being called Jenny - and Gemina and Jaron and Felicity and I'd love if you can come as Barry or Barney or whatever your Masqued name is.
-[X] I also wanted to make sure none of you had been doing something super illegal, like dying your hair blonde. Lotsa stuff is happening, and I really really really hope you can all stop hiding soon, but if there's been any hair dye involved, it'll be SO. MUCH. HARDER.
-[X] Oh, they threw Jaffur's mom out of the Ancestor Cult thingy and I stopped a coup just by making people talk! You'll probably hear about it on the radio soon. Your radio still works, right? It isn't blocked by all the hiding magic you're using?
-[X] Anyway, I just want to see when you guys are coming back to the non-hiding world, because it'll be much better to have you all together. Maybe we can get everyone together and talk?
No. of Votes: 3
[X] First you want to know what have they been up to. They went into hiding in response to the sealing. What do they plan to do about it?
-- [X] Then Plan Honest Truth, if we like their answers.
No. of Votes: 1
[X] "I have held my peace on that matter for several years, and feel it best to continue for at least a moment longer. In fact, I would suggest that since the very fact of this conversation already demonstrates my general goodwill it would be more fitting for you to be the one to begin the disclosures. What are your intentions and methods, and why is assisting you the right thing for me to do? Convince me."
No. of Votes: 1
With a total of 17 voters, eight jumped for Plan Honest Truth. Vote Closed, and your update will be along in a bit!
Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - Dragon Ball: After the End | Page 192 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.4
[X] Plan Honest Truth
-[X] Tell him you came here because you want to unseal Jaffur, and, well, Dandelor is a sorceror who's very opposed to Dandeer. You also want to ask him a few questions, though.
-[X] Don't necessarily do everything below in order, do it in the way that makes most sense.
-[X] You're curious to why precisely they hid, and what they have been doing for the last two years.
--[X] Did they hide because Raditz almost transformed, because they believe Dandeer's rule is unlawful or because they're planning something?
-[X] What do they know about the seal? Do they know how to undo it?
--[X] If they don't know, tell them that Jaron and Jaffur are separate people and the seal trapped Jaffur within his own mind.
---[X] Note that Jaffur seems to be growing attached to Jaron and that simply unsealing Jaffur by getting rid of Jaron might not be a good idea.
-[X] How much do they know about what's been happening outside?
--[X] If the answer is "not much", tell them the important events of the last two years.
-[X] What do they think should be done with Lord Vegeta? Also, while you think he's a horrible father and person, how was he as a ruler compared to Yammar, or, if they've been observing recent events, Dandeer?
No. of Votes: 8
[x] First you want to know what have they been up to. They went into hiding in response to the sealing. What do they plan to do about it?
No. of Votes: 4
[X] Plan Tea Party
[X] I haven't seen Betreal in SO LONG! Like, forever. I wanted to see him again! He was my first real friend, you know. I wanted to invite him to a tea party for all of my non-Super Saiyan friends! I'm gonna invite Sophie and Maya and Jennifer - she hates being called Jenny - and Gemina and Jaron and Felicity and I'd love if you can come as Barry or Barney or whatever your Masqued name is.
-[X] I also wanted to make sure none of you had been doing something super illegal, like dying your hair blonde. Lotsa stuff is happening, and I really really really hope you can all stop hiding soon, but if there's been any hair dye involved, it'll be SO. MUCH. HARDER.
-[X] Oh, they threw Jaffur's mom out of the Ancestor Cult thingy and I stopped a coup just by making people talk! You'll probably hear about it on the radio soon. Your radio still works, right? It isn't blocked by all the hiding magic you're using?
-[X] Anyway, I just want to see when you guys are coming back to the non-hiding world, because it'll be much better to have you all together. Maybe we can get everyone together and talk?
No. of Votes: 3
[X] First you want to know what have they been up to. They went into hiding in response to the sealing. What do they plan to do about it?
-- [X] Then Plan Honest Truth, if we like their answers.
No. of Votes: 1
[X] "I have held my peace on that matter for several years, and feel it best to continue for at least a moment longer. In fact, I would suggest that since the very fact of this conversation already demonstrates my general goodwill it would be more fitting for you to be the one to begin the disclosures. What are your intentions and methods, and why is assisting you the right thing for me to do? Convince me."
No. of Votes: 1
With a total of 17 voters, eight jumped for Plan Honest Truth. Vote Closed, and your update will be along in a bit!
- Location
- va
[X] Plan Honest Truth
- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
You all will be sorry when Kakara faints due to lack of biscuits!
- Location
- Australia
@PoptartProdigy, do Saiyan hybrids have the same advantage that purebloods have of increased combat power after gorging one's self on food prior to a battle?
- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
I've never known them to have increased power from that. I know they can recover their power levels quickly by eating a lot, but I didn't know it could push them past their limits.
Where's your source for this ability?
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Must be honest: I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't recall it at all, and haven't really been taking it into consideration. I mean, if you can find me a source, then sure, why not? Even then, though, I don't recall anything about Goku gorging himself in preparation for Cell or other such fights, so it won't be at all significant if I do include it.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
When was this? Saiyans are weaker when they're hungry than when they aren't, and have a very fast metabolism, but I don't remember any kind of explict power boost not covered under the "exhaustion is a bitch" clause.
- Location
- Australia
Saiyan
I think there might've been an example in Dragon Ball but I can't remember where exactly. I do remember that it wasn't the Yamcha battle which I saw at the time as more a matter of hungry versus not hungry. If I had to guess it was at one of the World Martial Arts Tournaments.DB Wiki said:
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Only thing I can think of off the top of my head is an incident in filler where Goku ate during the down time during the otherworld tournament. Maybe a few other bits of filler.
I think this is a case of the Wiki containing baseless assertions.
Edit: Consulting the manga, Something similar happened during the 21st Budokai, where Goku ate a large meal before his fight with Giran. But other than not being visibly impaired by cramps or suchlike, there is no basis to claim his performance improved other than just by dint of having more calories available to burn.
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- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I think I'll have to nix that one. Too thin, too inconsistent a portrayal, and it wouldn't add that much to the game if implemented.
A Simple Fireside Chat
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
[X] Plan Honest Truth
-[X] Tell him you came here because you want to unseal Jaffur, and, well, Dandelor is a sorcerer who's very opposed to Dandeer. You also want to ask him a few questions, though.
-[X] Don't necessarily do everything below in order, do it in the way that makes most sense.
-[X] You're curious to why precisely they hid, and what they have been doing for the last two years.
--[X] Did they hide because Raditz almost transformed, because they believe Dandeer's rule is unlawful or because they're planning something?
-[X] What do they know about the seal? Do they know how to undo it?
--[X] If they don't know, tell them that Jaron and Jaffur are separate people and the seal trapped Jaffur within his own mind.
---[X] Note that Jaffur seems to be growing attached to Jaron and that simply unsealing Jaffur by getting rid of Jaron might not be a good idea.
-[X] How much do they know about what's been happening outside?
--[X] If the answer is "not much", tell them the important events of the last two years.
-[X] What do they think should be done with Lord Vegeta? Also, while you think he's a horrible father and person, how was he as a ruler compared to Yammar, or, if they've been observing recent events, Dandeer?
-[X] Tell him you came here because you want to unseal Jaffur, and, well, Dandelor is a sorcerer who's very opposed to Dandeer. You also want to ask him a few questions, though.
-[X] Don't necessarily do everything below in order, do it in the way that makes most sense.
-[X] You're curious to why precisely they hid, and what they have been doing for the last two years.
--[X] Did they hide because Raditz almost transformed, because they believe Dandeer's rule is unlawful or because they're planning something?
-[X] What do they know about the seal? Do they know how to undo it?
--[X] If they don't know, tell them that Jaron and Jaffur are separate people and the seal trapped Jaffur within his own mind.
---[X] Note that Jaffur seems to be growing attached to Jaron and that simply unsealing Jaffur by getting rid of Jaron might not be a good idea.
-[X] How much do they know about what's been happening outside?
--[X] If the answer is "not much", tell them the important events of the last two years.
-[X] What do they think should be done with Lord Vegeta? Also, while you think he's a horrible father and person, how was he as a ruler compared to Yammar, or, if they've been observing recent events, Dandeer?
A Simple Fireside Chat
You stare Head Raditz right in the eyes and say, "I'm here because I want to break Jaffur's Seal."
The words hang in the air. You have never said that outright. With Grandma, it always somehow went unsaid in such explicit terms, given that both of you know what you're talking about well enough to talk around it. And with anybody else, you of course haven't dared.
It only strikes you now, how significant it is to say it aloud.
As for Raditz, he stares back at you for a long moment. But then, at last...
...he sighs, all of the tension draining out of him in one go. "I cannot easily express what an immense relief it is to hear that," he says, leaning back. "We have been living a long two years, cooped up here in the Hall. Even with the wards, it's been very tense." He gives you a small, tired, and honest smile. "I'm glad that you're here, Lady Scion. Now, I'm sure that you have questions. Ask me anything, I owe you answers at the very least."
"I have a few," you say, nodding. "Even if I didn't want to come here to see you, your cousin Dandelor is here." You leave unsaid why that would be of significance.
He gives you another smile. "Brother, actually, but that's a safe presumption to make. I presume your lessons haven't moved into the Vegetan Houses in detail yet?"
You flush lightly. "Well, I knew who he was. I guess I just forgot he was your brother."
"A harmless mistake. Forget it." He waves it aside. "We of course would be pleased to offer our assistance with breaking my nephew's Seal. What questions did you have?"
You nod, and launch right into them. "Why did you hide? I mean, why exactly? Was it because you don't want to bow to Lady Vegeta? Because you...almost transformed? Or are you making plans? And what have you been doing?"
Please don't be Super Saiyans, please don't be Super Saiyans-
"An astute question," he says, nodding. "Initially, the answer was, 'all three.' With time for tempers to cool, my near-transformation is not a factor. It was not deliberate; any just court of law would bear that out with the simple use of a mind delve. I plan on submitting to one as soon as this affair is done with, in fact. In that, I have nothing to hide. But in the moment...your father, already acting across Clan lines, had openly named me a lawbreaker. In that context, as good as treason. I couldn't risk it, especially not with my own Lord subverted. In that, I was concerned about Dandeer's leadership, yes. And that reason has not faded with time. My sister-in-law is a pitiable woman, but that alone doesn't make me approve of her being in a position of authority over anybody but her own children. Perhaps not even that, given what happened that day." He shakes his head. "She is undisciplined, overconfident, and swift to leap to conclusions. More than that, she is entitled and selfish. She would make a terrible leader, and by all accounts has. Between that and her obvious reasons for suspecting me of dissent, I was uncomfortable with living under her reign. And finally...yes, we have been making plans. Since the very instant Jaffur was Sealed."
"Like what?" you ask. "And you know what's going on outside your Hall?"
"But of course," he says, smirking. "We still get radio. But to the point: Dandelor, I, and several of our cousins have been working together to conceive of a way to free Jaffur from his prison. We've thought up a few different solutions, in fact. Unfortunately, most are suicide missions. Because one thing I can assure you that we have not been doing is raising any of us into Super Saiyans."
He flashes, his aura lighting up around him. Although his power level is much higher than when you last sensed it -- all the way at fifteen million, now -- it goes not a jot higher. And you're pretty certain that he's not holding himself back any, either.
Still... "Why not?" you ask. "I mean, I'm happy that you're not, but why?"
He subsides. "I was there at the Death of Talt," he says, looking away. "Have your parents told you about that?"
You swallow. "Grandma has."
Raditz nods. "I was there, and like Vegeta was made to watch. It didn't break me, but it was a telling lesson nonetheless."
You scowl. "Dad wouldn't-"
"I do not know."
You halt as he looks at you with a look more severe than you've ever seen on anyone's face.
"I do not know that," he says. "I am confident that he wouldn't. The cause of his split with Vegeta was his disgust over the affair, after all. But that very split, and the hatred that has grown between them, was born out of a tighter bond than I have seen from anybody else. I won't risk what he may do, if I challenge his mercy enough. I saw every one of the rebels die screaming. I cannot -- I will not -- risk that for my family." He sighs. "And beyond that, this state of affairs will be temporary. Jaffur will be freed, and the Clan will have its Super Saiyan. Transforming, while tempting now, would create more problems later. Besides, our wards aren't as strong as the Hall's. They'd snap. Feel them out for yourself once we're done, if you don't believe me. Just be careful. So we have planned around that."
"What ideas do you have?" you ask, choosing to move past that argument. Daddy wouldn't. I know he wouldn't.
He stands, crossing to his desk and bringing out a file folder. "From what we've described of the Sealing, Dandelor has concluded that it's a modified Masque," he says, sitting back down and opening the folder for reference. "Specifically, a child's Masque, since it's not up to Jaffur whether he has it on or not. Dandelor thinks the modification was mental." He looks up at you. "Dandeer's specialty is in mind magics. According to Dandelor, she would be most comfortable working there. So our solutions have approached it from the angle of breaking a child's Masque without their parents' consent." He flips over a page. "There's really only one way to do that. Masques restrict power level; if you overcharge them, they break. It doesn't really come up, but it's part of how they work. So the simplest solution would be to get close to Jaffur and shove enough ki into his chest to make a Lord faint. Betarel's idea, actually. I'm ashamed to admit I didn't think of it." He gives you a rueful look. "Problem one: we can't do that. Nobody's strong enough. All of us together, maybe, but Jaffur's under constant watch."
You flinch. "He is?"
He frowns at you. "Well of course. We tried to spirit him away every month during the first year we spent in hiding, but your father or his mother always had somebody on him. We never got close enough to see him, let alone snatch him. It was a miracle they didn't find us, and I was nearly caught a few times. If we all moved in, as one House, close enough to give him our energy before your father could intercept it, we'd be made instantly."
You shudder. You never even felt anybody. That is violating.
"Our other plan was ruled out for the same reason," he says, oblivious to your discomfort. "That was kidnapping him so that Dandelor could manually dispel the thing. This was my idea. Unfortunately, it still requires us to get close. We couldn't do it. None of us know Instant Transmission, either. So that was out. Dandelor came up with our third idea." Raditz grimaces. "We drop our Masques when we die. The magic is tied to your soul; when that leaves, so does the illusion. So..." He shakes his head. "Even with Senzu beans, though, we can't risk it. It's not a matter of stopping Jaffur's heart and then bringing him back before it's too late, his soul has to be gone. You don't come back from that. We don't have Dragon Balls anymore. No go, even though it was proposed as the absolute last resort."
You pale at the thought.
Raditz shakes himself. "All our plans came to nothing. Aside from the last one, they had the same choke point; we lack the ability execute them. Which led to our excursion today." He smirks. "Your timing is rather excellent. After our initial failures, we cut off all scouting missions entirely to lay low. Today was the first time we left the Hall all year. It wasn't scouting, though. We can't implement our plans, so we were going to find somebody who could."
Your eyes widen in realization, and he nods.
"My father in law, Patriarch Yammar. We were already confident that he was on our side. After the radio broadcasts started talking about what happened at the Ancestral Council, we were sure of it."
You gape. "Why did you take Betarel with you?" It seems insanely risky to you. What could justify that?
"Betarel was going to be lying low half a hemisphere away," he says, raising an eyebrow. "I'm not stupid. But he's been taking the isolation and inactivity hardest of anybody. If he wasn't allowed to get out and do something, he would have started feeling some very unhealthy things. He still feels guilty about not being able to help Jaffur."
You shake your head. It doesn't seem worth it. You...
...you can't imagine how bad it could be for Betarel, but you're sure that Head Raditz isn't lying at all. Despite that, you don't get it. And that unsettles you, because it makes the question, "how bad could it be," so much more terrifying.
He notices, and closes the folder with a quiet snap. "It's getting stuffy in here. Let's go outside. The air is fresher."
You nod, glad that he isn't making you express your fears.
* * *
Head Raditz takes you out onto the walls, overlooking the valley the causeway spans. For a moment, the two of you stay silent, listening to the wind.
It's cold out here, high in the mountains and deep in the grasp of winter. The air currents raging across the slope don't help. But for the two of you it's little enough challenge; you just drag your ki about yourselves and ward the chill away.
You look up into the sky, trying to See the wards. You told your sensei you'd like to focus your tutelage on presentsight, and this is one thing to do with that. That said, according to him any success is likely years away. After a few moments of staring without success, you look back out at the landscape.
"Go ahead, feel them out," says Raditz, giving you an encouraging look. He then smirks. "After all, you won't quite believe me about them until you feel it for yourself."
You blush, not answering. You light your aura up, shooting up to his power level. You don't feel anything.
"Little higher," he says. "I can go Oozaru in here. Dandelor says you can hit around forty million safely."
Obligingly, you raise it higher still, up to thirty, thirty-five, forty- straintensionwavering-
You back off, wide-eyed.
"That looked unsettling," says Raditz, steadying you. "You alright?"
You take a deep breath. "I'm okay."
He nods, stepping back. "Now, back in there, before I distracted us with depressing talk -- you had more questions?"
You collect yourself, turning to look up at him. "Yeah."
"Go ahead."
You nod. "How much do you know about what's happening outside? I mean, you get radio..."
He shrugs. "About as much as you'd expect. We get the big things. We heard about the Council, and what happened there. We heard about some of your exploits, including this, 'Golden Oozaru,' of yours. Very impressive, I must admit. We've gotten the bigger bumps in Dandeer's regency. But beyond that, little else. Why?"
"I wanted to know if I needed to tell you anything. But it sounds like you have most of it. Things are bad out in the regular world. I do have another question, though." You steel yourself. "What are you planning to do with Lord Vegeta?" At his look, you hurriedly explain, "I mean, I don't know if he was a good leader compared to his dad, or if Lady Vegeta is, and I just realized that I don't know if Patriarch Yammar was even any good or not-"
"It's okay, Kakara, I get it," he says, kneeling down to your level and putting his hands on your shoulders. "I know what you're asking." He draws back. "To answer you, I'm conflicted. Vegeta is my old friend, and to be honest he was a decent leader. But I can't ignore who he's become and what he's done since the Sundering. If I had to make the choice today, I would leave him as he is. I'm glad I don't need to. In the end, after all, Jaffur will make that choice." He stands. "As for your other questions: despite his ruthlessness, Yammar was an exemplary leader who did quite a bit to stifle the fragmentation the Clan has been suffering as a result of the population controls being loosened. Vegeta was competent in that despite being personally loathed by anybody who knew about his home life, he didn't erase any of his father's progress. Dandeer..." He sighs. "In two years the Clan that her two successors spent decades rebuilding and maintaining has nearly exploded apart. Do anything but what she does, and you'll be well served."
You giggle, despite yourself. "Thank you." You feel relieved. Lord Vegeta won't be freed -- not by Head Raditz, at least. That still leaves Jaffur, but-
"If I don't find somebody I'll never transform." His voice drops, and you barely hear what follows. What you hear, though, sends a chill through your blood. "And I'll never kill him."
-you doubt that he'll be in favor of his father getting freed.
That still leaves one more thing, though. You look up into Raditz's eyes as he starts speaking.
"What's important is that these questions -- who the leadership will fall to once this is done -- these are question we can answer now," he says. "We didn't plan to encounter you, but here you are. And we didn't even have to risk Patriarch Yammar. Now we have a Super Saiyan. Somebody on the outside. You have the freedom and capacity to act that we don't. With you present, we might be able to move forward on our plans."
You look off to the side. "There's just...one problem."
He frowns. "What's that?'
You take a steadying breath. "Whatever Lady Vegeta wanted the Seal to do, it didn't work. Jaffur's not the one who's walking around." You swallow. "The spell did something to him -- sealed him away inside his mind. And it made somebody else to be the human. Jaron's a real person. He goes to my school, and he has problems with bullies, and he's shy, but he's real and he acts like a good person when he doesn't have to talk, and Jaffur's starting to like him too even though Jaron is his Seal. We can't count on the Seal being like we think it is, because something broke and now Jaron exists on top of Jaffur and we can't just get rid of him."
Raditz rocks back on his heels, sucking in a shocked breath. You prepare yourself for the barrage of questions. "What kind of person is Jaron?" "What does it matter if Jaffur likes him? "What is-?"
"Kakara..." says Raditz, giving you a look of utter confusion, "How do you know all of this?"
...oh.
...whoops.
[ ] Tell the truth. It's not like you would lie about being a Seer.
[ ] Demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes.
[ ] Make something up.
-[ ] What?
[ ] Refuse to answer.
[ ] Write-in.
THIS VOTE IS NOW CLOSED.
So yeah. That's a question you need to deal with, now.
What do you all think of Raditz? I'm having fun writing him, but how does he come across?
And finally, I present for you all, the long-awaited updated omake rewards system.
Culled from a few sources on this forum and others, the way it now works is this; omakes result in bonuses towards actions topical to the omake. For example, Andres110's recent omake about Kakara using her unintended glimpse of her going on a murderous SSJ2 rampage to prepare against the eventuality of a transformation will grant a cookie's worth of a bonus to your eventual, potential "Control the Transformation" check when or if you first ascend to SSJ2.
There are three levels of omake. First is "canon." This is something I'll hand out generally for omakes that stay well within the bounds of what has already been established, in-quest. For instance, the Andres110 omake I mention above is canon because it is an IC response to something that came up in-quest that conflicts with literally nothing These are gospel. You may rely on them as much as you rely on my own writing. Second is "compliant." This is for omakes that don't contradict anything I've laid out, but delve into historical, speculative, out-of-frame, or otherwise outside-context territory that, by its very nature, is not necessarily as settled as the material that "canon" omakes deal with. Reading these, you can understand that they are accurate of the players' knowledge as of time of writing, but I won't be checking on them for reference in the future, and thus they may go out of date. I may be inspired by them, but will not use them as reference texts. These are worth as much as a canon omake given that I don't want to penalize you all for getting things wrong that I haven't told you about yet. Third is "non-canon." These are things that contradict a point of my previously-established canon. These are worth half a cookie. All of these bonuses will be applied at my discretion as to when they are most applicable.
Obviously, "compliant" is new, and as such some previously-canon omakes will be reclassified. This is not me voiding your omake's validity; it's me saying, "I'm making this distinction now that I didn't previously and am updating records to reflect that." Remember that compliant omakes can (and in some cases, I suspect, will) remain un-Jossed for the entirety of the quest's run.
Canon and Compliant bonuses do not stack with each other or themselves, but can stack freely with non-canon omakes. For instance, two omakes of either canon or compliant status describing Kakara practicing her speaking skills wouldn't stack bonuses on training Communications; only one would apply (I would figure out something else for the other one). However, if somebody wrote a blatant piece of crack describing Kakara's epic quest to get better at speaking so that she could become Queen of the Penguins, that would stack with the bonus going to the training check. Especially lengthy omakes may generate multiple bonuses on different topics.
Fan art, despite going unexploited thus far, is still eligible for bonuses. They work the same as the others; namely, there are canon, compliant, and non-canon levels, although these are admittedly more important for the purposes of determining what level of bonus they get.
Cookies that have already been awarded will not be voided. They will remain banked until used (or, if somebody drops out of the quest and I can't get their attention, I'll just throw them out). Their rules of use have not changed, save that a greater bonus counts as one cookie for the purposes of cookie stacking. Cookies do stack freely with lesser bonuses.
We'll see how this new system works. I suspect that it will be much smoother, but I'm prepared to be wrong if it fails catastrophically. We'll see. I will update the cookie rules on the front page tomorrow with this information, as well and putting up a sheet for the storage of the presently-earned bonuses in order to keep track.
There are three levels of omake. First is "canon." This is something I'll hand out generally for omakes that stay well within the bounds of what has already been established, in-quest. For instance, the Andres110 omake I mention above is canon because it is an IC response to something that came up in-quest that conflicts with literally nothing These are gospel. You may rely on them as much as you rely on my own writing. Second is "compliant." This is for omakes that don't contradict anything I've laid out, but delve into historical, speculative, out-of-frame, or otherwise outside-context territory that, by its very nature, is not necessarily as settled as the material that "canon" omakes deal with. Reading these, you can understand that they are accurate of the players' knowledge as of time of writing, but I won't be checking on them for reference in the future, and thus they may go out of date. I may be inspired by them, but will not use them as reference texts. These are worth as much as a canon omake given that I don't want to penalize you all for getting things wrong that I haven't told you about yet. Third is "non-canon." These are things that contradict a point of my previously-established canon. These are worth half a cookie. All of these bonuses will be applied at my discretion as to when they are most applicable.
Obviously, "compliant" is new, and as such some previously-canon omakes will be reclassified. This is not me voiding your omake's validity; it's me saying, "I'm making this distinction now that I didn't previously and am updating records to reflect that." Remember that compliant omakes can (and in some cases, I suspect, will) remain un-Jossed for the entirety of the quest's run.
Canon and Compliant bonuses do not stack with each other or themselves, but can stack freely with non-canon omakes. For instance, two omakes of either canon or compliant status describing Kakara practicing her speaking skills wouldn't stack bonuses on training Communications; only one would apply (I would figure out something else for the other one). However, if somebody wrote a blatant piece of crack describing Kakara's epic quest to get better at speaking so that she could become Queen of the Penguins, that would stack with the bonus going to the training check. Especially lengthy omakes may generate multiple bonuses on different topics.
Fan art, despite going unexploited thus far, is still eligible for bonuses. They work the same as the others; namely, there are canon, compliant, and non-canon levels, although these are admittedly more important for the purposes of determining what level of bonus they get.
Cookies that have already been awarded will not be voided. They will remain banked until used (or, if somebody drops out of the quest and I can't get their attention, I'll just throw them out). Their rules of use have not changed, save that a greater bonus counts as one cookie for the purposes of cookie stacking. Cookies do stack freely with lesser bonuses.
We'll see how this new system works. I suspect that it will be much smoother, but I'm prepared to be wrong if it fails catastrophically. We'll see. I will update the cookie rules on the front page tomorrow with this information, as well and putting up a sheet for the storage of the presently-earned bonuses in order to keep track.
Related to the above: please be aware that tomorrow I will be removing all canon omakes from the threadmarks and adding them to a new tab of their own on the Lore Screen, for easier archive binges for those entering the quest now. Compliant and non-canon omakes will receive their own folders as well. If you wrote a non-canon omake, please be aware that I stopped tracking those aside from granting cookies and then forgetting about them some time ago and have forgotten many of them; if you want it to be included, please put up a post with a link to your omake so that I can link to it in the Lore Screen.
Please enjoy the update, everybody!
NO VOTES FOR ONE HOUR AFTER THIS UPDATE HAS BEEN POSTED, PLEASE.
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Oh dear.
How big a secret is us being a seer?
How big a secret is us being a seer?
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
General consensus is:
Given the gravity of the revelation, I have elected to assume nothing about who you all have told, and thus only those you have specifically voted to bring in on the secret are aware.
So, your parents, Sensei, and you.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
And how "big" a revelation is it?
Say if a Lord were to hide that they were a Seer they're entire life and then for one reason or another it came out how bad would it be for them?
- Location
- Australia
@PoptartProdigy, you asked me to save this for you when you finished with the system.
He's a sensible, reasonable authority figure and a good guy. I like him.
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Mortifer
Embrace your inner lunatic. Fun times guaranteed.
- Location
- Under a rock.
Hm...
Is there anything from stopping us from using Tell The Truth, and then swap to a Demonstration if they ask for proof and/or don't believe us?
No real point in lying, I think. Kakara didn't prepare anything in advance, and if they don't believe her first answer, they might not fully believe her about Jaron. And if they find out she lied, they'll start being suspicious of our motives.
Sure, Seer's have that kinda negative stigma about them, but Kakara hasn't acted cranky or antisocial around the Senzu's, so they shouldn't suddenly treat her as such. Don't see much of a point to lying to them. Though I suppose it's possible I missed something.
Is there anything from stopping us from using Tell The Truth, and then swap to a Demonstration if they ask for proof and/or don't believe us?
No real point in lying, I think. Kakara didn't prepare anything in advance, and if they don't believe her first answer, they might not fully believe her about Jaron. And if they find out she lied, they'll start being suspicious of our motives.
Sure, Seer's have that kinda negative stigma about them, but Kakara hasn't acted cranky or antisocial around the Senzu's, so they shouldn't suddenly treat her as such. Don't see much of a point to lying to them. Though I suppose it's possible I missed something.
- Location
- Scotland
So it seems like the biggest issue with being a seer is being a bit rude and unnerving because you know to much.
We are neither rude nor particularly unnerving, and knowing a lot of stuff could only help in this situation. I don't see any particular reason not to fess up, Raditz seems like a good enough man, which is also why im so fucking happy we went with honesty, and I hardly think he'd be angry that we'e an even bigger help than a friendly super saiyan scion with influence to the cult already would be to have on your side.
We are neither rude nor particularly unnerving, and knowing a lot of stuff could only help in this situation. I don't see any particular reason not to fess up, Raditz seems like a good enough man, which is also why im so fucking happy we went with honesty, and I hardly think he'd be angry that we'e an even bigger help than a friendly super saiyan scion with influence to the cult already would be to have on your side.
@PoptartProdigy, kinda unrelated to this update, but does Kakara know if it's possible for Seers to speak to people in their dreams?
ChildishChimera
A umbran summon
- Location
- New York
[X] Demonstrate the truth. That vision you suppressed earlier is still nagging at the back of your skull, it would be simple enough to let it in for a quick look and some white eyes.
- Location
- Australia
[] Tell the truth. It's not like you would lie about being a Seer.
-[] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been tailed (hehe), because we haven't sensed anyone and we're the best ki senser in the world.
No reason to show off or go on a vision quest. Keep it simple and ask about something that's rather important.
-[] Afterwards, ask how Jaron's been tailed (hehe), because we haven't sensed anyone and we're the best ki senser in the world.
No reason to show off or go on a vision quest. Keep it simple and ask about something that's rather important.
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[X] Tell the truth. It's not like you would lie about being a Seer.
-[X] If he wants you to, you can demonstrate, as you're currently suppressing a vision.
Also, presumably they just lowered their power level to that of ordinary humans? I mean, we aren't meticulously watching every power level around us for anything suspicious all the time.
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Also, in the previous update..
-[X] If he wants you to, you can demonstrate, as you're currently suppressing a vision.
We don't actually know that. We're better than Berra and anyone we know, yes, but assuming we're the best on the planet is rather arrogant. There's undoubtedly a bunch of seers who are better than us, at the very least.
Also, presumably they just lowered their power level to that of ordinary humans? I mean, we aren't meticulously watching every power level around us for anything suspicious all the time.
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Also, in the previous update..
Should be "we've", not "we", I think.
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