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We thought Yammar would stick out enough that we'd know if he was there openly and we thought his weird ki was an effort to disguise himself.
Dragon Ball: After the End
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"That's not a bug, it's a feature"
Completely forgot about that. Luckily we rolled pretty well and had other points I think?
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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To both sides as it were I would like for all to bare some things in mind
1. We are still a ten year old albeit a mature one (even though none of our actions so far have really communicated this to them) so its going to affect their perception of us
2. They are competent, I sincerely doubt many people in this verse are incompetent
3. This is very out of character for the Raditz clan (or at least as far as we know)
4. They're presumably out of date on everything.
I don't think we will fail so much as make a wrong impression and look like a well intentioned kid (or an annoying naive one) rather than make a serious political blunder and make them hate us.
We also tried to lecture the murderous autocrat on the importance of not killing people. He laughed.
Then we burned an irreplaceable cookie and threatened to smash his face in. That he applauded, but only because it turned out that the whole thing was just for show in the first place.
5. They are personally, traumatically aware that if anyone makes a the slightest mistake or anything goes the tiniest bit wrong everybody involved stands a good chance of being tortured to death.
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All that was actually fine. We had to tell him that killing people was wrong before we threatened him, otherwise we wouldn't be trying to take the most peaceful route and that goes against our pacifistic beliefs. The cookie changed it from a slim success to a decent success which made Yammar respect us for our spine. The only mistake we made was in assuming he snuck in.
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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They have also acknowledge that if we were here to smash face face would already be smashed.
We're not yet proposing anything just talking.
They also know that, regardless of her personal feelings on the matter, Kakara doing anything but tattling the moment they're done means putting her own life at risk as a co-conspirator in the rebellion, and, considering her position and relation, quite possibly triggering an omnilateral civil war the likes of which hasn't been seen since the founding of the current system. This is not, and should not be, a friendly, casual chat for anybody involved. This is a waltz over nitroglycerine-filled eggshells.
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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Ok calm down.
We know that we're not going to be idiotic, even if they don't and since the world hasn't been filled with atom bomb explosions they can guess that we're not being idiotic.
This is serious, but its not going to cause the end of the world by talking and we know it even if they don't.
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Ideally, it should be both. That's how politics works!
The entire reason we're here is to ask for his help with unsealing Jaffur. Telling him what we're here for =/= being a "naive, loose-lipped child who is going to accidentally get everybody killed because she can't treat her own vital interests, much less anybody else's, with the somber consideration they deserve."
I think that it's far more likely that he's simply curious to as why the heck we're here than he's trying to do some kind of elaborate help
That wasn't for the purpose of convincing Yammar to stop it, but to explain to the Cult why exactly we were threatening to kick Yammar out.
Pretty sure that Raditz knows that Berra doesn't torture people to death, and honestly I think he's more likely to throw Raditz, Dandelor and the rest of the ringleaders in prison rather than executing anyone, not to mention he'd have to beat us in a fight before arresting anyone.
That was a calm description of the actual stakes involved, and what they know or don't know is something we have to account for because it is certainly going to affect their decisions. The Saiyan civil and military order is in the middle of an extreme cumulative crisis the likes of which occurs less than once a generation, or even lifetime.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you're British.
We're here for a variety of reasons. If they are able and willing to help with the unsealing, great, but they may not be, and in that case it's best that they don't discover those intentions any more than anybody else not directly involved does.
I didn't suggest that the test was some sort of help. If he's deciding how to deal with her, whether or not she can be easily manipulated into disclosing secrets on disfavorable terms is probably something he'd like to know.
Berra has made it clear that under his interpretation, the most mainstream and most likely interpretation, if they've been pursuing ascension they're guilty of a crime for which execution of at least the adults would be pretty much mandatory. -and, once again, Berra isn't the only issue here. The guy who punished rebellion by torturing children to death while forcing the horrified Senzus to participate is at least as likely to be the one making the decisions. That's assuming he steps up. If he doesn't, it falls to the regent, who can't enforce her decisions, which could easily precipitate a shattering of the entire clan as everybody is forced to actively pick sides instead of just letting the authorities work it out as they are accustomed to.
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Entirely correct! It does say so on my avatar/username box, but I choose to believe you didn't notice that and are just very perceptive, so well done!
Vote's coming to an end soon. All I have to say at this point is to reiterate is that we don't lose anything by asking him for information before we tell him everything, so why wouldn't we? It can strictly only be a neutral or good move.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
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- He/his
Regarding the Lannisbean plot. @Lailoken (I know there are other supporters of being careful but you are the most prominent) truth is I had considered the possibility of Betarel as a new heir before you mentioned it, I even put him as an example when I asked Poptart about the rules of sucession and I have mentioned several times that he is Jaffur cousin. Now, at the time, I was more focused on whether it was convenient to us to put him as candidate if Jaffur died and of how likely it would be for Yanmar to accept that. However, I did consider the possibility of the Senzu pushing the claim but I dismissed it because everything we have seen of Raditz so far points to him not behaving like that:
This is the first time we saw him, in which we see that he raises his son to be a good person first. You might make a point of it being a good way to make allies, especially since we are the Scion of Goku but the fact that Betarel is like he is at all is a point in his favor.
He was not only Friends with Vegeta when they were kids but Jaffur is his nephew by marriage and his wife and son would be in favor of helping him.
(Actually, now that I think about it, both Berra and Raditz were Vegeta's childhood Friends. I wonder if so they were too?)
Jaffur, who while barely eight and a battle maniac is by no means an idiot, believes Raditz would defy a FPSS in revenge for him. Yes, I know it can be interpreted as making a coup once Betarel had a solid case for being the new heir but the context of the conversation points at this being done in outrage rather than as a political move and if they suspected that Raditz had aspirations for the throne they would have already dealt with him.
In fact, he DID defy a FPSS for Jaffur.
To the point we was about to become a super saiyan for Jaffur and we have seen you need a strong need and emotional investment for that to happen. You could make a case that it was because the Goku were involved themselves so much in Vegeta affairs and he was outraged because he was a loyalist but if he were so traditional he would be in favor of releasing Jaffur over taking power for his clan.
Furthermore, THIS is what we know of House Senzu in general:
1- House Senzu wants a strong and united clan. A coup would split it further and Jaffur was loved by the clan because he was probably the most talented saiyan warrior since Endivan.
2- The house is made by loyalist.
3- They are not afraid of making allies with Goku if it helps the ruling house so the theory of him growing mad at the Goku intervention or betraying us because we act against our father doesn't add up.
4- He is honorable and unlikely to throw Jaffur under the bus.
5- He is shrewd in politics, which while some might take it as meaning he would be open to a coup, works against that because when you think about it, him making a coup is a plan full of contradictions:
a- For the coup to be successful and Betarel to be accepted as Scion, he would need the aproval of Yanmar to give legitimacy and make the "Royalty, fuck yeah!" Vegetans accept it, which runs counter with the idea of the Senzu being terrified about Yanmar slaughtering their clan which is the main argument in favor of being careful in this meeting.
b- A super saiyan rebellion would cause a civil war against clan Goku, which has 3 FPSS. Dealing with Kakara now would alienate saiyans further against them given our reputation in society, which they would need to know if they were indeed planning a coup since it would require them trying to gain allies among other Vegetans to get them to suport their rule.
c- Trying to fight FPSS with normal super saiyans is something which they have seen is not that effective during the Talt rebellion. Unless Yanmar or Vegeta were idiots who shared the secret with Raditz's wife, they know that plan has a very small chance to succeed for the very same reason people are arguing they would be careful of us if they were attempting that plan.
Furthermore, they have a greater chance of success in taking down Dandeer and releasing Jaffur if they join with us, which was the original reason they rebelled.
This is what we bring to the table:
1- We have Apra in our favor and Yanmar would certainly not oppose to it. Joining us would mean 3 out of 4 FPSS are in favor of releasing Jaffur, fighting us would mean 3 out of 4 FPSS would fight them FOR FAMILY!
2- We have a reputation that could sway public opinión in favor of the plan and make it easier to get allies within the Vegeta houses.
3- We can prove that Jaffur and Jaron are not the same person if we get another ser to corroborate. Which reminds me:
Because that is the key to overthrow Dandeer. Her whole justification for what she did is two fold, that the masked versions are the same person but with the unhealthy parts removed and that the sealing is the equivalent of a medical treatment. The first one allows her to reign as regent since it means that the rulings she gets from Vegeta are indeed from Vegeta and thus he still can rule. If it is put into doubt then Yanmar would have a better position to claim the role of regent since Dandeer authority comes from transmitting what the Lord would want and if they are different persons she doesn't have even that. On the other hand, she could continue to rule as regent once Jaron has kids unless we prove they are different persons. The difference with multiple personality disorder is that in MPD the new conciousness is created by the brain of the person and thus they are still the same but in Jaron's case he was created by Dandeer's magic.
The second reason is important because Dandeer and Berra did what they did because thy thought they were helping Jaffur and he would be happier as Jaron. If we prove that he is instead a prisoner then that justification doesn't hold wáter. Berra would have to confront the fact that he imprisoned a hild, which as a lawful good carácter he will be forced to rectify if he acknowledges it. Dandeer might be forced to see she is not helping her son and confront the reality of her crimes if she doesn't jump in denial.
Ideally, with the pressure from us and grandma and evidence that they are not helping Jaffur, we could convince Berra and Dandeer to reléase him. That would be best case scenario, since Dandeer made the seal and would better know how to save both Jaffur and Jaron.
If that doesn't work, that is where house Senzu comes in. If they refuse to undo the Sealing, Dandeer tries to make it work properly or Yanmar finds out and decide he doesn't care if Jaron dies, we are going to neeed Dandelor to properly study the seal. Basically, we are here to recruit the Senzus as a plan B option, since they both have a good sorcerer and a good hiding place. If things go that bad they would have a better chance to take Jaron with a super saiyan's help but that would happen only as a contingency if shit hits the fan. In that case they would have to work in releasing Jaffur and hide him until he has a kid and becomes a Lord or kills Dandeer.
Finally, I would like for people to vote on the plans based on this:
Sincé it actually says which approach each one takes in the update. Focus on @PoptartProdigy words rather than the ones of the plan's creator.
This is the first time we saw him, in which we see that he raises his son to be a good person first. You might make a point of it being a good way to make allies, especially since we are the Scion of Goku but the fact that Betarel is like he is at all is a point in his favor.
He was not only Friends with Vegeta when they were kids but Jaffur is his nephew by marriage and his wife and son would be in favor of helping him.
(Actually, now that I think about it, both Berra and Raditz were Vegeta's childhood Friends. I wonder if so they were too?)
Jaffur, who while barely eight and a battle maniac is by no means an idiot, believes Raditz would defy a FPSS in revenge for him. Yes, I know it can be interpreted as making a coup once Betarel had a solid case for being the new heir but the context of the conversation points at this being done in outrage rather than as a political move and if they suspected that Raditz had aspirations for the throne they would have already dealt with him.
In fact, he DID defy a FPSS for Jaffur.
To the point we was about to become a super saiyan for Jaffur and we have seen you need a strong need and emotional investment for that to happen. You could make a case that it was because the Goku were involved themselves so much in Vegeta affairs and he was outraged because he was a loyalist but if he were so traditional he would be in favor of releasing Jaffur over taking power for his clan.
Furthermore, THIS is what we know of House Senzu in general:
1- House Senzu wants a strong and united clan. A coup would split it further and Jaffur was loved by the clan because he was probably the most talented saiyan warrior since Endivan.
2- The house is made by loyalist.
3- They are not afraid of making allies with Goku if it helps the ruling house so the theory of him growing mad at the Goku intervention or betraying us because we act against our father doesn't add up.
4- He is honorable and unlikely to throw Jaffur under the bus.
5- He is shrewd in politics, which while some might take it as meaning he would be open to a coup, works against that because when you think about it, him making a coup is a plan full of contradictions:
a- For the coup to be successful and Betarel to be accepted as Scion, he would need the aproval of Yanmar to give legitimacy and make the "Royalty, fuck yeah!" Vegetans accept it, which runs counter with the idea of the Senzu being terrified about Yanmar slaughtering their clan which is the main argument in favor of being careful in this meeting.
b- A super saiyan rebellion would cause a civil war against clan Goku, which has 3 FPSS. Dealing with Kakara now would alienate saiyans further against them given our reputation in society, which they would need to know if they were indeed planning a coup since it would require them trying to gain allies among other Vegetans to get them to suport their rule.
c- Trying to fight FPSS with normal super saiyans is something which they have seen is not that effective during the Talt rebellion. Unless Yanmar or Vegeta were idiots who shared the secret with Raditz's wife, they know that plan has a very small chance to succeed for the very same reason people are arguing they would be careful of us if they were attempting that plan.
Furthermore, they have a greater chance of success in taking down Dandeer and releasing Jaffur if they join with us, which was the original reason they rebelled.
This is what we bring to the table:
1- We have Apra in our favor and Yanmar would certainly not oppose to it. Joining us would mean 3 out of 4 FPSS are in favor of releasing Jaffur, fighting us would mean 3 out of 4 FPSS would fight them FOR FAMILY!
2- We have a reputation that could sway public opinión in favor of the plan and make it easier to get allies within the Vegeta houses.
3- We can prove that Jaffur and Jaron are not the same person if we get another ser to corroborate. Which reminds me:
Because that is the key to overthrow Dandeer. Her whole justification for what she did is two fold, that the masked versions are the same person but with the unhealthy parts removed and that the sealing is the equivalent of a medical treatment. The first one allows her to reign as regent since it means that the rulings she gets from Vegeta are indeed from Vegeta and thus he still can rule. If it is put into doubt then Yanmar would have a better position to claim the role of regent since Dandeer authority comes from transmitting what the Lord would want and if they are different persons she doesn't have even that. On the other hand, she could continue to rule as regent once Jaron has kids unless we prove they are different persons. The difference with multiple personality disorder is that in MPD the new conciousness is created by the brain of the person and thus they are still the same but in Jaron's case he was created by Dandeer's magic.
The second reason is important because Dandeer and Berra did what they did because thy thought they were helping Jaffur and he would be happier as Jaron. If we prove that he is instead a prisoner then that justification doesn't hold wáter. Berra would have to confront the fact that he imprisoned a hild, which as a lawful good carácter he will be forced to rectify if he acknowledges it. Dandeer might be forced to see she is not helping her son and confront the reality of her crimes if she doesn't jump in denial.
Ideally, with the pressure from us and grandma and evidence that they are not helping Jaffur, we could convince Berra and Dandeer to reléase him. That would be best case scenario, since Dandeer made the seal and would better know how to save both Jaffur and Jaron.
If that doesn't work, that is where house Senzu comes in. If they refuse to undo the Sealing, Dandeer tries to make it work properly or Yanmar finds out and decide he doesn't care if Jaron dies, we are going to neeed Dandelor to properly study the seal. Basically, we are here to recruit the Senzus as a plan B option, since they both have a good sorcerer and a good hiding place. If things go that bad they would have a better chance to take Jaron with a super saiyan's help but that would happen only as a contingency if shit hits the fan. In that case they would have to work in releasing Jaffur and hide him until he has a kid and becomes a Lord or kills Dandeer.
Finally, I would like for people to vote on the plans based on this:
Don't worry, you're ten by now.You have a mid-year birthday.
Now, I know that write-in votes can be intimidating to the more casual posters, so here's a breakdown of all the current proposals that people are forwarding, how the voting stands, and what the votes mean, to help you all with parsing.
Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - Dragon Ball: After the End | Page 192 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.4
[X] Plan Honest Truth
No. of Votes: 5-[X] Tell him you came here because you want to unseal Jaffur, and, well, Dandelor is a sorceror who's very opposed to Dandeer. You also want to ask him a few questions, though.
-[X] Don't necessarily do everything below in order, do it in the way that makes most sense.
-[X] You're curious to why precisely they hid, and what they have been doing for the last two years.
--[X] Did they hide because Raditz almost transformed, because they believe Dandeer's rule is unlawful or because they're planning something?
-[X] What do they know about the seal? Do they know how to undo it?
--[X] If they don't know, tell them that Jaron and Jaffur are separate people and the seal trapped Jaffur within his own mind.
-[X] How much do they know about what's been happening outside?
--[X] If the answer is "not much", tell them the important events of the last two years.
-[X] What do they think should be done with Lord Vegeta? Also, while you think he's a horrible father and person, how was he as a ruler compared to Yammar, or, if they've been observing recent events, Dandeer?
This is our presence front-runner, pending plan-writer @Bommelom deliberating on whether or not to switch to or incorporate the option below.
"Honest Truth" is a comprehensive full-disclosure option. It opens by disclosing absolutely everything about your motivations and segues into immediate cooperation with the Senzus with a focus on sharing as much relevant information as either party has, including the truth about Jaron. It also has under its remit Kakara moving into the opening stages of formulating an action plan by asking after Raditz's opinions on what can or should be done about the various aspects of the Seals.
[x] First you want to know what have they been up to. They went into hiding in response to the sealing. What do they plan to do about it?
No. of Votes: 2
This is the present second-place option, although with Bommelom considering switching over or incorporating it, that may change.
Explicitly described as the, "Keep It Simple, Stupid," option, this one covers in minimal specified detail Kakara requesting that Raditz explain what his House has been doing and what they plan on doing in response to the Sealing. Plays your cards very close to your chest and places the ball in Raditz's court.
[X] Plan Tea Party
[X] I haven't seen Betreal in SO LONG! Like, forever. I wanted to see him again! He was my first real friend, you know. I wanted to invite him to a tea party for all of my non-Super Saiyan friends! I'm gonna invite Sophie and Maya and Jennifer - she hates being called Jenny - and Gemina and Jaron and Felicity and I'd love if you can come as Barry or Barney or whatever your Masqued name is.
-[X] I also wanted to make sure none of you had been doing something super illegal, like dying your hair blonde. Lotsa stuff is happening, and I really really really hope you can all stop hiding soon, but if there's been any hair dye involved, it'll be SO. MUCH. HARDER.
-[X] Oh, they threw Jaffur's mom out of the Ancestor Cult thingy and I stopped a coup just by making people talk! You'll probably hear about it on the radio soon. Your radio still works, right? It isn't blocked by all the hiding magic you're using?
-[X] Anyway, I just want to see when you guys are coming back to the non-hiding world, because it'll be much better to have you all together. Maybe we can get everyone together and talk?
No. of Votes: 1
From here on out, all plans are one-vote options.
This one is the oddball option, and it takes a look at the Oddball trait and responds with, "ALL IN, MOTHERF*CKERS!" Behind the silly, here's what it's accomplishing: It says virtually nothing about Kakara's own intentions, thus allowing you to defer that until you get answers to your questions. Those questions being whether or not the Senzus have been chasing transformations and when (and, by extension, how) they plan on returning to wider society. It also informs him of Dandeer's excommunication. It also includes a request to see Betarel, which based on Bob's comments is in aid of speaking to him specifically because he's almost certainly worse at keeping secrets than his father is.
[X]Politely request that he explain why his House has gone into hiding these past few years. Many disagreed with the sealing of the Vegetas, but none of them went into what could be seen as a rebellion (try and work out if Raditz did so because he tried to power up, but don't say so). Explain that we are looking for a way to resolve this difficult situation peacefully, but don't imply that we're planning to unlawfully reverse the sealing. He's the Head of a rich and powerful house, he's likely better at politics than we are - at least the dishonest bits.
No. of Votes: 1
This plan very much keeps things close to the chest and requests answers from Raditz. It tries to find out why they went into hiding above anything else, with especial focus to Raditz's failed transformation. It is deliberately neutral on your intentions, avoiding implying any illegal intent on your part. It is the only plan to explicitly note that Raditz is an expert politician and that caution is warranted, but Kakara will account for that in any option, so you needn't worry. Conversationally, this is a highly defensive strategy.
[X] "I have held my peace on that matter for several years, and feel it best to continue for at least a moment longer. In fact, I would suggest that since the very fact of this conversation already demonstrates my general goodwill it would be more fitting for you to be the one to begin the disclosures. What are your intentions and methods, and why is assisting you the right thing for me to do? Convince me."
No. of Votes: 1
In stark contrast to the previous option, this one is very aggressive. It assumes the position of conversational advantage and promptly goes to work using it. It tacitly points out to Raditz that Kakara holds all or at least many cards here and places him in the position of petitioning her for her favor and assistance, pointing out that, as Raditz himself said, the mere fact of her presence is proof enough of her intentions.
Hope this helps!
Sincé it actually says which approach each one takes in the update. Focus on @PoptartProdigy words rather than the ones of the plan's creator.
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None of what you have said is incorrect. I have still not heard a reason to immediately tell him everything rather than request information first though; @Lailoken's specific example plot being unlikely (and yeah, it's pretty unlikely) doesn't mean there's nothing else going on, and knowing more about his position will leave us better able to make our own case for whatever it is we want to do.
At this point, I'm partially so invested in the outcome of this vote because it sets a precedent in the quest for future votes; are we going to request more information at no cost to either (ourselves in general) or (our ability to later/soon after/immediately after tell him our plans)? Or are we just going to charge in for impatience's sake?
NOTE: If I'm being an idiot and there is a cost to asking him no one's mentioned, please tell me. For the life of me, I can't figure out what it is.
EDIT:Excellent summation of our knowledge of House Senzu though!
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I would just like to take a moment and point out one thing:
I do not 'joke vote' and while I explicitly do not consider Plan Tea Party to be a great plan, it is one that I would not be unhappy with if it won. I would not suggest (with X instead of [jk]) a plan that I would not be ok with having happen.
Honestly, I'd love to support Plan Honest Truth. Someone listened when I said, "Please suggest a better plan" and suggested what they thought was a better plan...I just can't fully agree. It's putting too much faith in the Senzu's , who we know too little about. Their leader is no doubt a skilled politician, but a politician needs to know the political landscape to be effective, and I just can't see how he could have the detailed knowledge he would need. The Senzus are under-informed, and thus ill-equipped to act independantly. They can be a big help to an outsider (insider? whatever, a non-Senzu) but I wouldn't trust them to enact their own plan.
In short, as our illustrious QM has said,
I do not 'joke vote' and while I explicitly do not consider Plan Tea Party to be a great plan, it is one that I would not be unhappy with if it won. I would not suggest (with X instead of [jk]) a plan that I would not be ok with having happen.
Honestly, I'd love to support Plan Honest Truth. Someone listened when I said, "Please suggest a better plan" and suggested what they thought was a better plan...I just can't fully agree. It's putting too much faith in the Senzu's , who we know too little about. Their leader is no doubt a skilled politician, but a politician needs to know the political landscape to be effective, and I just can't see how he could have the detailed knowledge he would need. The Senzus are under-informed, and thus ill-equipped to act independantly. They can be a big help to an outsider (insider? whatever, a non-Senzu) but I wouldn't trust them to enact their own plan.
In short, as our illustrious QM has said,
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Succinctly put. Here's an updated tally, on how things stand:
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##### NetTally 1.7.4
[X] First you want to know what have they been up to. They went into hiding in response to the sealing. What do they plan to do about it?
No. of Votes: 3
[X] Plan Tea Party
No. of Votes: 2
[X] Plan Honest Truth
No. of Votes: 2
Total No. of Voters: 7
...when the hell did we lose voters? Folks, I'd like to see a bit more than that.
Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - Dragon Ball: After the End | Page 195 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.4
[X] First you want to know what have they been up to. They went into hiding in response to the sealing. What do they plan to do about it?
No. of Votes: 3
[X] Plan Tea Party
No. of Votes: 2
[X] Plan Honest Truth
No. of Votes: 2
Total No. of Voters: 7
...when the hell did we lose voters? Folks, I'd like to see a bit more than that.
KnightDisciple
Brotherhood. Unity. Peace.
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- Midwest, USA
....What the hell? My vote is here, and hasn't changed any.
EDIT: Wait, I voted at about 2:04PM, and there's a threadmark at 5:05 PM (both times are US CST). Did the vote-counter not count anything from before that latest threadmark?
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KnightDisciple
Brotherhood. Unity. Peace.
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- Midwest, USA
@PoptartProdigy , it's definitely threadmark-based; all but one of the voters you tag in this post aren't showing up in this latest count, and of those, it's only because @Deathbybunnies has changed his vote since your last vote count.
You may just need to tag all of us who were in that older vote count to vote again if they/we aren't in your newest count.
[X] Plan Honest Truth
You may just need to tag all of us who were in that older vote count to vote again if they/we aren't in your newest count.
[X] Plan Honest Truth
As KnightDisciple noted, the new threadmark screwed the tally over. You can fix the problem by manually entering the post of the last update and the latest post in the thread instead of using "try last threadmark", though.
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##### NetTally 1.7.5
[X] Plan Honest Truth
-[X] Tell him you came here because you want to unseal Jaffur, and, well, Dandelor is a sorceror who's very opposed to Dandeer. You also want to ask him a few questions, though.
-[X] Don't necessarily do everything below in order, do it in the way that makes most sense.
-[X] You're curious to why precisely they hid, and what they have been doing for the last two years.
--[X] Did they hide because Raditz almost transformed, because they believe Dandeer's rule is unlawful or because they're planning something?
-[X] What do they know about the seal? Do they know how to undo it?
--[X] If they don't know, tell them that Jaron and Jaffur are separate people and the seal trapped Jaffur within his own mind.
---[X] Note that Jaffur seems to be growing attached to Jaron and that simply unsealing Jaffur by getting rid of Jaron might not be a good idea.
-[X] How much do they know about what's been happening outside?
--[X] If the answer is "not much", tell them the important events of the last two years.
-[X] What do they think should be done with Lord Vegeta? Also, while you think he's a horrible father and person, how was he as a ruler compared to Yammar, or, if they've been observing recent events, Dandeer?
No. of Votes: 7
Plan: ◈Honest Truth
Aranfan
Bommelom
jamie96969
Karnax626
KnightDisciple
Mortifer
Terrabrand
[x] First you want to know what have they been up to. They went into hiding in response to the sealing. What do they plan to do about it?
No. of Votes: 4
Bakkasama
Andres110
Deathbybunnies
Yorick's Skull
[X] Plan Tea Party
[X] I haven't seen Betreal in SO LONG! Like, forever. I wanted to see him again! He was my first real friend, you know. I wanted to invite him to a tea party for all of my non-Super Saiyan friends! I'm gonna invite Sophie and Maya and Jennifer - she hates being called Jenny - and Gemina and Jaron and Felicity and I'd love if you can come as Barry or Barney or whatever your Masqued name is.
-[X] I also wanted to make sure none of you had been doing something super illegal, like dying your hair blonde. Lotsa stuff is happening, and I really really really hope you can all stop hiding soon, but if there's been any hair dye involved, it'll be SO. MUCH. HARDER.
-[X] Oh, they threw Jaffur's mom out of the Ancestor Cult thingy and I stopped a coup just by making people talk! You'll probably hear about it on the radio soon. Your radio still works, right? It isn't blocked by all the hiding magic you're using?
-[X] Anyway, I just want to see when you guys are coming back to the non-hiding world, because it'll be much better to have you all together. Maybe we can get everyone together and talk?
No. of Votes: 3
Plan: ◈Tea Party
Gore17
KaintukeeBob
NyxNull
[X] "I have held my peace on that matter for several years, and feel it best to continue for at least a moment longer. In fact, I would suggest that since the very fact of this conversation already demonstrates my general goodwill it would be more fitting for you to be the one to begin the disclosures. What are your intentions and methods, and why is assisting you the right thing for me to do? Convince me."
No. of Votes: 1
Lailoken
Total No. of Voters: 15
##### NetTally 1.7.5
[X] Plan Honest Truth
-[X] Tell him you came here because you want to unseal Jaffur, and, well, Dandelor is a sorceror who's very opposed to Dandeer. You also want to ask him a few questions, though.
-[X] Don't necessarily do everything below in order, do it in the way that makes most sense.
-[X] You're curious to why precisely they hid, and what they have been doing for the last two years.
--[X] Did they hide because Raditz almost transformed, because they believe Dandeer's rule is unlawful or because they're planning something?
-[X] What do they know about the seal? Do they know how to undo it?
--[X] If they don't know, tell them that Jaron and Jaffur are separate people and the seal trapped Jaffur within his own mind.
---[X] Note that Jaffur seems to be growing attached to Jaron and that simply unsealing Jaffur by getting rid of Jaron might not be a good idea.
-[X] How much do they know about what's been happening outside?
--[X] If the answer is "not much", tell them the important events of the last two years.
-[X] What do they think should be done with Lord Vegeta? Also, while you think he's a horrible father and person, how was he as a ruler compared to Yammar, or, if they've been observing recent events, Dandeer?
No. of Votes: 7
Plan: ◈Honest Truth
Aranfan
Bommelom
jamie96969
Karnax626
KnightDisciple
Mortifer
Terrabrand
[x] First you want to know what have they been up to. They went into hiding in response to the sealing. What do they plan to do about it?
No. of Votes: 4
Bakkasama
Andres110
Deathbybunnies
Yorick's Skull
[X] Plan Tea Party
[X] I haven't seen Betreal in SO LONG! Like, forever. I wanted to see him again! He was my first real friend, you know. I wanted to invite him to a tea party for all of my non-Super Saiyan friends! I'm gonna invite Sophie and Maya and Jennifer - she hates being called Jenny - and Gemina and Jaron and Felicity and I'd love if you can come as Barry or Barney or whatever your Masqued name is.
-[X] I also wanted to make sure none of you had been doing something super illegal, like dying your hair blonde. Lotsa stuff is happening, and I really really really hope you can all stop hiding soon, but if there's been any hair dye involved, it'll be SO. MUCH. HARDER.
-[X] Oh, they threw Jaffur's mom out of the Ancestor Cult thingy and I stopped a coup just by making people talk! You'll probably hear about it on the radio soon. Your radio still works, right? It isn't blocked by all the hiding magic you're using?
-[X] Anyway, I just want to see when you guys are coming back to the non-hiding world, because it'll be much better to have you all together. Maybe we can get everyone together and talk?
No. of Votes: 3
Plan: ◈Tea Party
Gore17
KaintukeeBob
NyxNull
[X] "I have held my peace on that matter for several years, and feel it best to continue for at least a moment longer. In fact, I would suggest that since the very fact of this conversation already demonstrates my general goodwill it would be more fitting for you to be the one to begin the disclosures. What are your intentions and methods, and why is assisting you the right thing for me to do? Convince me."
No. of Votes: 1
Lailoken
Total No. of Voters: 15
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Gotcha, fixed. Vote's still open, by the way, folks.
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
In fairness, the last time we were terrified of political assassination type shenanigans, it turned out to be a boy with a crush on a girl. (I was in the completely terrified camp, that time,.)
I just don't think our plans are some kind of huge secret that we have any benefit in hiding from Raditz. Like, even is Lailoken's guess is correct and Raditz is planning a Super Saiyan rebellion, I still don't see how him knowing our plans to unseal Jaffur would be detrimental to us, because, well, he can't do anything with the information other than help us if he wants to.
(Also, if he's planning a Super Saiyan rebellion, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't tell us whether or not we tell him about wanting to unseal Jaffur before we ask him what he's up to, so).
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I'll close this one in an hour.