- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Okay. Below is each plan that has a vote according to the tally system
Dragon Ball: After the End
- Location
- Italy
honestly this could be a good temporary threadmark @PoptartProdigy
- Location
- United States
[X] Plan Preparing for a Sea Change
[X] Plan Perika Smash
[X] Plan Crash Training
Updating my vote to add preparing for a sea change. I don't think it'll win, but it's another training intensive plan. Also, to confirm, is this how you update your vote (with just a new post)?
[X] Plan Perika Smash
[X] Plan Crash Training
Updating my vote to add preparing for a sea change. I don't think it'll win, but it's another training intensive plan. Also, to confirm, is this how you update your vote (with just a new post)?
- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They
Yep, that's all you need.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Thank you very much, @buli-buli; you've done a lot of work. Here's hoping it's useful.
@Gore17, @Simon_Jester, if you're going to participate this voting cycle, now is probably the most convenient point to do it.
Since I didn't mind Sea Change, I'll re-vote for it.
[X] Plan: Last Month Rush
[X] Plan Preparing for a Sea Change
- Location
- Yes
It's much quicker for me to read the discussion and vote, then to spend another 30 mins*. writing up my justification. And then someone might attack my reasoning and I feel obligated to respond and so on and so forth...
And since this is the second time** you've second-guessed my vote, I do actually find your second-guessing obnoxious. I'd appreciate it if you didn't do that.
*Guess how much time I spent on this post!
**I've quoted the post below as a reference.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Can do. Apologies, by the way - trying not to give offense can be exhausting, as I've just been very directly reminded.It's much quicker for me to read the discussion and vote, then to spend another 30 mins*. writing up my justification. And then someone might attack my reasoning and I feel obligated to respond and so on and so forth...
And since this is the second time** you've second-guessed my vote, I do actually find your second-guessing obnoxious. I'd appreciate it if you didn't do that.
*Guess how much time I spent on this post!
**I've quoted the post below as a reference.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
A fine idea. Many thanks, buli.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Seriously? No one?
@KaintukeeBob, @Aranfan, you two usually vote. @Lailoken, I might as well tag you while I'm at it.
(No response so far from @Gore17 or @Simon_Jester; I'm hoping they didn't get the tags the first time, but I will take further silence as invitation to stop pestering them.)
@KaintukeeBob, @Aranfan, you two usually vote. @Lailoken, I might as well tag you while I'm at it.
(No response so far from @Gore17 or @Simon_Jester; I'm hoping they didn't get the tags the first time, but I will take further silence as invitation to stop pestering them.)
- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They
Not everyone has to vote at every opportunity.
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
- Location
- Something Clever
- Pronouns
- She/Her
People are under no obligation to vote, and mass-pinging them to do so when your own vote isn't winning is not a great look.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Noted. I don't intend to bother people further; I did think a last check before the seemingly-impending vote close might be appreciated.
(I've also tried to be quite careful about this - I picked only people who haven't shown up in-thread, and didn't advocate any particular plan in my tagging. I assume the arguments in favor of Last Month Rush are the most convincing to someone with time to read them, since it seems to have converted the most holdouts, but I'm doing my best to let the plans stand on their own and advocate only for more scrutiny.)
Separately:
@Anyone: If you would like me to continue tagging you for things like this - with opt-out presently being the default - please tell me. No point in troubling myself if it doesn't help you.
(I've also tried to be quite careful about this - I picked only people who haven't shown up in-thread, and didn't advocate any particular plan in my tagging. I assume the arguments in favor of Last Month Rush are the most convincing to someone with time to read them, since it seems to have converted the most holdouts, but I'm doing my best to let the plans stand on their own and advocate only for more scrutiny.)
Separately:
@Anyone: If you would like me to continue tagging you for things like this - with opt-out presently being the default - please tell me. No point in troubling myself if it doesn't help you.
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
I've missed votes before. So, feel free to tag me if the vote is wrapping up and I haven't made one.
Worst case scenario, I am intentially abstaining and I lose nothing but a minute.
- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They
I don't mind being tagged if I haven't voted and votes are almost closed but I doubt it will come up much.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Given the resounding silence is apparently winding people up, should we perhaps close this vote? (I'd have suggested doing so earlier, except I'm obviously biased.)
EDIT: My motives in suggesting the vote be closed are entirely scrupulous now, honest
EDIT: My motives in suggesting the vote be closed are entirely scrupulous now, honest
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- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Regardless of the purity, or lack thereof, of your motives, the vote is now closed.Given the resounding silence is apparently winding people up, should we perhaps close this vote? (I'd have suggested doing so earlier, except I'm obviously biased.)
EDIT: My motives in suggesting the vote be closed are entirely scrupulous now, honest
Vote Tally : Dragon Ball: After the End Sci-Fi | Page 1481 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 37007-37130]
##### NetTally 3.0.2
[X] Plan Crash Training
-[X] Sight - 2 AP (2)
--[X] Looking Abroad (1 AP) [The Invasion Fleet, especially the leader]
--[X] Continue Your Training (1 AP)
-[X] Training 3 AP (3+4)
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Team Fighting]
---[X] Do this before anything else
--[X] To Go Beyond (1 AP) [Perfect Multiform]
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Ki Refinement]
--[X] Broken Precedent (2 AP)
--[X] Style Training (1 AP) [Tien Style]
--[X] Spirit Bomb Experimentation (1 AP)
-[X] Social- 2 AP (2+1)
--[X] Strange Sister (1 AP) x2
--[X] Potential Unlocking (1 AP)
-[X] The Outside World - 2 AP (2)
--[X] Instruction (1 AP)
--[X] Historical Insights (1 AP)
-[X] A Cause - 1 AP (1)
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Ki Refinement]
No. of Votes: 7
[X] Plan Preparations and Foundations
-[X] The Sight (2 AP automatically Assigned)
--[X] Continue Your Training (1 AP)
--[X] Looking Abroad (1 AP) The Invasion Fleet Plans and Composition]: Information on the movement and plans of the invasion force. Goal is to understand how they're attacking and with who/what, with secondary focus on as much exact "when" as possible.
-[X] Training (3 AP automatically Assigned)
--[X] To Go Beyond (1 AP) [Multiform]
--[X] Style Training (1 AP) [Tien Style]
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Team Fighting]
-[X] Social (2 AP automatically Assigned)
--[X] Strange Sister x2 (2 AP)
-[X] The Outside World (2 AP automatically Assigned)
--[X] Instruction (1 AP)
--[X] Historical Insights (1 AP)
-[X] A Cause (1 AP)
--[X] Use Sight (Past Sight) to view Tien, and other masters of Tien Style from Garenhuld, to get a better understanding of how the masters practice this style, to give ourselves more direction. Having our Style be stronger means we have a better chance of taking on Dandeer's thralls in a non-lethal manner, especially if we eventually unlock Perfect Multiform.
-[X] Free AP (5 AP free to use anywhere)
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Dodonpa]
--[X] Broken Precedent (2 AP)
--[X] General Training (2 AP)
No. of Votes: 6
[X] Plan: Last Month Rush
-[X] Sight (2 AP)
--[X] Continue Your Training (1 AP):
--[X] Looking Abroad (1 AP) [The Invasion Fleet, especially the leader]:
-[X] Training (3 AP)
--[X] Spirit Bomb Studies/Experimentation (1 Training AP)
--[X] To Go Beyond (1 Free AP) [Perfect Multiform]
--[X] To Go Beyond (1 Free AP) [Ki Sense]:
--[X] Broken Precedent (2 AP):
-[X] Social (2 AP)
--[X] Strange Sister (1 AP):
--[X] General Training (2 Free AP):
--[X] Unlock Potential (1 AP)
-[X] The Outside World (2 AP)
--[X] Adventures (2 AP):
--[X] Instruction (1 Free AP)
-[X] A Cause (1 AP)
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Team Fighting]: Baring an unexpected decapitation strike against Dandeer, Kakara can expect to be fighting against Dandeer's mindslaves alongside the Senzus and whoever else escaped the spell.
No. of Votes: 6
[X] Plan Preparing for a Sea Change
-[X] Sight - 2 AP (2)
--[X] Looking Abroad (1 AP) The Invasion Fleet, especially the leader
--[X] Continue Your Training (1 AP)
-[X] Training 3 AP
--[X] (Write in) Spirit Bomb Studies (1 AP)
--[X] Broken Precedent (2 AP)
-[X] Social- 2 AP
--[X] Strange Sister (1 AP)
--[X] Potential Unlocking (1 AP)
-[X] The Outside World - 2 AP
--[X] (Write in) Specific Historical Insights: Powerful Galactic figures since the days of the Z Fighters
--[X] Instruction (1 AP)
-[X] A Cause - 1 AP
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Team Fighting]
-[X] Free AP - 5 AP
--[X] To Go Beyond (2 AP): Multiform x2
--[X] Improve A Skill (2 AP): Spirit Saiyan x2
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) Ki Refinement
No. of Votes: 3
[X] PLAN BEST OF BOTH!
No. of Votes: 1
[X] PLAN BEST OF BOTH! (i hope)
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Plan Perika Smash
[X] Plan Crash Training
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Plan Scout Camp
[X] Continue Your Training (Sight AP #1)
[X] Looking Abroad: NCE Invasion (Sight AP #2)
[X] Improve a Skill: Team Fighting (Cause AP)
-[X] Should be done first. If this training period still isn't enough to make Combat tick over, break for vote on what AP to reassign.
[X] Go Beyond: Ki Sense (double down, Training AP #1 and #2)
[X] Go Beyond: Multiform (Training AP #3)
[X] Broken Precedent (Free AP #1 and #2)
[X] General Training (Free AP #3 and #4)
[X] Strange Sister (Free AP #5)
[X] Potential Unlocking (Social AP #1)
[X] Strengthen Host Bond (Social AP #2)
[X] Instruction (double down, Outside World AP #1 and #2)
[X] Plan Helldiver
[X] Looking Abroad: NCE Invasion (Sight AP #1)
[X] Piercing The Veil: Those Below (Sight AP #2)
[X] Improve a Skill: Team Fighting (Training AP #1)
-[X] Should be done first. If this training period still isn't enough to make Combat tick over, break for vote on what AP to reassign.
[X] Go Beyond: Multiform (double down, Training AP #2 and #3)
[X] Improve A Skill: Spirit Saiyan (double down, Cause AP, Free AP #1)
[X] Broken Precedent (Free AP #2 and #3)
[X] Potential Unlocking (Free AP #4)
[X] Strange Sister (Free AP #5)
[X] General Training (Social AP #1 and #2)
[X] Instruction (double down, Outside World AP #1 and #2)
[X] Special: Set aside 1AP from the very beginning of next month for gathering a Spirit Bomb and speeding through Hell.
No. of Votes: 1
Total No. of Voters: 16
##### NetTally 3.0.2
[X] Plan Crash Training
-[X] Sight - 2 AP (2)
--[X] Looking Abroad (1 AP) [The Invasion Fleet, especially the leader]
--[X] Continue Your Training (1 AP)
-[X] Training 3 AP (3+4)
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Team Fighting]
---[X] Do this before anything else
--[X] To Go Beyond (1 AP) [Perfect Multiform]
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Ki Refinement]
--[X] Broken Precedent (2 AP)
--[X] Style Training (1 AP) [Tien Style]
--[X] Spirit Bomb Experimentation (1 AP)
-[X] Social- 2 AP (2+1)
--[X] Strange Sister (1 AP) x2
--[X] Potential Unlocking (1 AP)
-[X] The Outside World - 2 AP (2)
--[X] Instruction (1 AP)
--[X] Historical Insights (1 AP)
-[X] A Cause - 1 AP (1)
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Ki Refinement]
No. of Votes: 7
[X] Plan Preparations and Foundations
-[X] The Sight (2 AP automatically Assigned)
--[X] Continue Your Training (1 AP)
--[X] Looking Abroad (1 AP) The Invasion Fleet Plans and Composition]: Information on the movement and plans of the invasion force. Goal is to understand how they're attacking and with who/what, with secondary focus on as much exact "when" as possible.
-[X] Training (3 AP automatically Assigned)
--[X] To Go Beyond (1 AP) [Multiform]
--[X] Style Training (1 AP) [Tien Style]
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Team Fighting]
-[X] Social (2 AP automatically Assigned)
--[X] Strange Sister x2 (2 AP)
-[X] The Outside World (2 AP automatically Assigned)
--[X] Instruction (1 AP)
--[X] Historical Insights (1 AP)
-[X] A Cause (1 AP)
--[X] Use Sight (Past Sight) to view Tien, and other masters of Tien Style from Garenhuld, to get a better understanding of how the masters practice this style, to give ourselves more direction. Having our Style be stronger means we have a better chance of taking on Dandeer's thralls in a non-lethal manner, especially if we eventually unlock Perfect Multiform.
-[X] Free AP (5 AP free to use anywhere)
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Dodonpa]
--[X] Broken Precedent (2 AP)
--[X] General Training (2 AP)
No. of Votes: 6
[X] Plan: Last Month Rush
-[X] Sight (2 AP)
--[X] Continue Your Training (1 AP):
--[X] Looking Abroad (1 AP) [The Invasion Fleet, especially the leader]:
-[X] Training (3 AP)
--[X] Spirit Bomb Studies/Experimentation (1 Training AP)
--[X] To Go Beyond (1 Free AP) [Perfect Multiform]
--[X] To Go Beyond (1 Free AP) [Ki Sense]:
--[X] Broken Precedent (2 AP):
-[X] Social (2 AP)
--[X] Strange Sister (1 AP):
--[X] General Training (2 Free AP):
--[X] Unlock Potential (1 AP)
-[X] The Outside World (2 AP)
--[X] Adventures (2 AP):
--[X] Instruction (1 Free AP)
-[X] A Cause (1 AP)
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Team Fighting]: Baring an unexpected decapitation strike against Dandeer, Kakara can expect to be fighting against Dandeer's mindslaves alongside the Senzus and whoever else escaped the spell.
No. of Votes: 6
[X] Plan Preparing for a Sea Change
-[X] Sight - 2 AP (2)
--[X] Looking Abroad (1 AP) The Invasion Fleet, especially the leader
--[X] Continue Your Training (1 AP)
-[X] Training 3 AP
--[X] (Write in) Spirit Bomb Studies (1 AP)
--[X] Broken Precedent (2 AP)
-[X] Social- 2 AP
--[X] Strange Sister (1 AP)
--[X] Potential Unlocking (1 AP)
-[X] The Outside World - 2 AP
--[X] (Write in) Specific Historical Insights: Powerful Galactic figures since the days of the Z Fighters
--[X] Instruction (1 AP)
-[X] A Cause - 1 AP
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) [Team Fighting]
-[X] Free AP - 5 AP
--[X] To Go Beyond (2 AP): Multiform x2
--[X] Improve A Skill (2 AP): Spirit Saiyan x2
--[X] Improve a Skill (1 AP) Ki Refinement
No. of Votes: 3
[X] PLAN BEST OF BOTH!
No. of Votes: 1
[X] PLAN BEST OF BOTH! (i hope)
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Plan Perika Smash
[X] Plan Crash Training
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Plan Scout Camp
[X] Continue Your Training (Sight AP #1)
[X] Looking Abroad: NCE Invasion (Sight AP #2)
[X] Improve a Skill: Team Fighting (Cause AP)
-[X] Should be done first. If this training period still isn't enough to make Combat tick over, break for vote on what AP to reassign.
[X] Go Beyond: Ki Sense (double down, Training AP #1 and #2)
[X] Go Beyond: Multiform (Training AP #3)
[X] Broken Precedent (Free AP #1 and #2)
[X] General Training (Free AP #3 and #4)
[X] Strange Sister (Free AP #5)
[X] Potential Unlocking (Social AP #1)
[X] Strengthen Host Bond (Social AP #2)
[X] Instruction (double down, Outside World AP #1 and #2)
[X] Plan Helldiver
[X] Looking Abroad: NCE Invasion (Sight AP #1)
[X] Piercing The Veil: Those Below (Sight AP #2)
[X] Improve a Skill: Team Fighting (Training AP #1)
-[X] Should be done first. If this training period still isn't enough to make Combat tick over, break for vote on what AP to reassign.
[X] Go Beyond: Multiform (double down, Training AP #2 and #3)
[X] Improve A Skill: Spirit Saiyan (double down, Cause AP, Free AP #1)
[X] Broken Precedent (Free AP #2 and #3)
[X] Potential Unlocking (Free AP #4)
[X] Strange Sister (Free AP #5)
[X] General Training (Social AP #1 and #2)
[X] Instruction (double down, Outside World AP #1 and #2)
[X] Special: Set aside 1AP from the very beginning of next month for gathering a Spirit Bomb and speeding through Hell.
No. of Votes: 1
Total No. of Voters: 16
Looks like Crash Training takes it!
- Location
- Italy
while we wait, ideas for that free wish?
right now I have two top picks
1) Portable time chamber with as many optionals as possible (example: we don't age in it/we age slower, max time dilation possible, gravity higher the further you go in it, more than two people at a time...whatever Porunga is capable of doing. And this time he should go "above and beyond the compact of the dragon balls"
2)Have him break any and all enchantments cast by Dandeer that we'd want removed. If that's beyond him, just settle for removing all enchantments on the super saiyans. If THAT's too much as well, have him teach us how to break her spells.
ok, i lied. I have more than 2 ideas.
3)last second idea: Have Porunga bring the ssj (or at least Jaffur) to us, free of Dandeer's spells. Probably too much, but i want to try. I also REALLY want Jaffur back in the quest.
4)...ok, this is not really a good choice, but...i kinda want to ask WHY the garenhulders fear the unknown. I kinda expect we'll get a crisis about it at some point, some ancient villain appearing out of nowhere like majin bu did in DBZ.
5)...knowledge of what we'll have to face in Hell and a way to face them?
right now I have two top picks
1) Portable time chamber with as many optionals as possible (example: we don't age in it/we age slower, max time dilation possible, gravity higher the further you go in it, more than two people at a time...whatever Porunga is capable of doing. And this time he should go "above and beyond the compact of the dragon balls"
2)Have him break any and all enchantments cast by Dandeer that we'd want removed. If that's beyond him, just settle for removing all enchantments on the super saiyans. If THAT's too much as well, have him teach us how to break her spells.
ok, i lied. I have more than 2 ideas.
3)last second idea: Have Porunga bring the ssj (or at least Jaffur) to us, free of Dandeer's spells. Probably too much, but i want to try. I also REALLY want Jaffur back in the quest.
4)...ok, this is not really a good choice, but...i kinda want to ask WHY the garenhulders fear the unknown. I kinda expect we'll get a crisis about it at some point, some ancient villain appearing out of nowhere like majin bu did in DBZ.
5)...knowledge of what we'll have to face in Hell and a way to face them?
Well, it IS good. once perfected it will probably be in the same class as perfect multiform
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
It's pretty great, and there's a decent chance we'll be able to train it for free if we get it high enough! What's not to love?
Given that this is explicitly happening on Porunga's goodwill, perhaps we can discuss phrasing with him to get the wish we want, with less power consumed by him? It feels like staying on good terms with the one who can hand out wishes is a good idea.
- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They
5 we have the sight for. Personally, I'd want to wish for a katchin (or the advanced form kachi lachin) building on garenhuld for training advanced forms. A time chamber would also work since those can demonstrably hide fusion dance!SSj3 levels of power.
- Location
- Italy
In super they train as super saiyan blue in there, so they can probably hide a lot more than that.
Though the fact that Goku and Vegeta fought in a dedicated empty universe might mean there's a limit (or that the room was simply too small for them, and they risked to destroy the door as collateral damage. After all the room is described as "as big as the Earth", which is not that much when you're a god)
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Oh. I apologize if this came across as negative.
It was more, "Wow. I forgot the winning plan had it twice".
As for the wish, I like the personal hyperbolic time chamber idea.
I mean, its not even like Kakara will have to deal with the whole suddenly being older than all her friends thing given that she's just a shade right now.
I mean on one hand, freeing everyone of Dandeer's control is an obvious choice, but I honestly want Kakara to be there for Dandeer's downfall. It feels anti-climatic otherwise.
I guess we could spin it as Kakara's ambition trait, plus her justifying it as something her people could use into rhe future.
- Location
- Texas
What if we used perfect multiform and then did the fusion dance with ourselves.
The time chamber would probably be the best choice as it helps the most in the long term.
The time chamber would probably be the best choice as it helps the most in the long term.
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Kakara^2
- Location
- Italy
there's also one more thing: A time chamber that WE control means we control WHO and HOW MANY can try training for ssj and above.
At some point i want my ssj army, and most saiyans are VERY unlikely to go beyond FPSSJ even if you tell them how. It's not easy to trigger an epiphany after all.
Still, IF we get the chamber (and i assume it will still be a 2 at a time only, or little more. There will probably be some form of trade-off between people and time dilation i expect), we'll want to have people start training. Even the non-royal. We just need the Royals to try for ssj2 first.
It probably won't work. seems too easy, and part of the strenght of a fusion should be (in my opinion) in how you're combining all the knowledge, skills and abilities of two different people into one.
Even two masters of the same style we'll use them in different ways, and the sum of those skills SHOULD be much above what you'd get by simply joining their power levels and character sheets.