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It does have Genki Dama improvement, which I assume would have roughly the same effect, but since I'm reformatting the plan for the talley anyway...

@buli-buli, can you edit this one in?
[X] Plan: Last Month Rush
[X] Continue Your Training (Sight AP #1)
[X] Looking Abroad: NCE Invasion Fleet, especially the leader (Sight AP #2)
[X] Improve a Skill [Team Fighting] (Cause AP)
[X] Spirit Bomb Studies (Training AP #1)
[X] To Go Beyond: Perfect Multiform (Training AP #2)
[X] To Go Beyond: Ki Sense (Training AP #3)
[X] Broken Precedent (Free AP #1 and #2)
[X] General Training (Free AP #3 and #4)
[X] Strange Sister (Social AP #1)
[X] Unlock Potential (Social AP #2)
[X] Adventures (Outside World AP #1 and #2)
[X] Instruction (Free AP #5)
 
I can edit my plan yes. How would spirit bomb studies differ from training spirit bomb?
We know from WoG I quoted earlier in the thread that Kakara hadn't even considered charging a spirit bomb off of multiform. Testing this, and (if it works) getting a 60%+ power boost available whenever, is the goal of spirit bomb studies, as opposed to merely training spirit bomb.
 
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We know from WoG I quoted earlier in the thread that Kakara hadn't even considered charging a spirit bomb off of multiform.
okay...

Would there be a functional difference between "Improve a Skill [Genki Dama]" and "Spirit Bomb Studies"?
Or would it be the difference between learning to charge if faster and learning new sources to charge it with?


Wait. Nevermind. Sorry Poptart if you still got the alert.

I found the original description.

It's basically messing around with Genki Dama in general to figure out the limits and interactions.

So, yeah I will switch out Genki Dama training for Spirit Bomb Studies so long as Cariyaga, Indalecio, Frvborg are not particularly against it.

No point in changing my plan to more popular if I lose votes anyway right?
 
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Personally, i have no interest in General Training.

1 month is not going to be enough to train them well (it says so right in the description), and we are going to be gone for an unknown number of months starting next month.

better to save training the namekians for after we come back if that is something we decide we want to do.
 
Okay. And the tally shows Indalecio has already approval voted for a plan including it, so change made!

Also, changing format to what @HoratioVonBecker has suggested for the sake of the tally maker. @QTesseract I am tagging you because you were originally part of the conversation too.

*snipped plan due to problems with the tally count.*

*edit*
Well the new format was read and recorded correctly, but it also read it as a separate plan.

Oh well, that's what the management option is for.
 
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It does have Genki Dama improvement, which I assume would have roughly the same effect, but since I'm reformatting the plan for the talley anyway...

@buli-buli, can you edit this one in?
[X] Plan: Last Month Rush
[X] Continue Your Training (Sight AP #1)
[X] Looking Abroad: NCE Invasion Fleet, especially the leader (Sight AP #2)
[X] Improve a Skill [Team Fighting] (Cause AP)
[X] Spirit Bomb Studies (Training AP #1)
[X] To Go Beyond: Perfect Multiform (Training AP #2)
[X] To Go Beyond: Ki Sense (Training AP #3)
[X] Broken Precedent (Free AP #1 and #2)
[X] General Training (Free AP #3 and #4)
[X] Strange Sister (Social AP #1)
[X] Unlock Potential (Social AP #2)
[X] Adventures (Outside World AP #1 and #2)
[X] Instruction (Free AP #5)

With the Xs in that's gonna null your previous votes.
 
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Okay. And the tally shows Indalecio has already approval voted for a plan including it, so change made!

Also, changing format to what @HoratioVonBecker has suggested for the sake of the tally maker. @QTesseract I am tagging you because you were originally part of the conversation too.

[X] Plan: Last Month Rush
-[X] Continue Your Training (1 Sight AP):
-[X] Looking Abroad (1 Sight AP) [The Invasion Fleet, especially the leader]:
-[X] Spirit Bomb Studies/Experimentation (1 Training AP)
-[X] To Go Beyond (1 Free AP) [Perfect Multiform]
-[X] To Go Beyond (1 Free AP) [Ki Sense]:
-[X] Broken Precedent (2 Training AP):
-[X] Strange Sister (1 Social AP):
-[X] General Training (2 Free AP):
-[X] Unlock Potential (1 Social AP)
-[X] Adventures (2 The Outside World AP):
-[X] Instruction (1 Free AP)
-[X] Improve a Skill (1 A Cause AP) [Team Fighting]: Baring an unexpected decapitation strike against Dandeer, Kakara can expect to be fighting against Dandeer's mindslaves alongside the Senzus and whoever else escaped the spell.

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Well the new format was read and recorded correctly, but it also read it as a separate plan.

Oh well, that's what the management option is for.
I now also like this plan better than preparations and foundations.

[X] Plan Preparing for a Sea Change
[X] Plan Crash Training
[X] Plan: Last Month Rush

I think I'd probably now choose LMR over CT but I'd just prefer either over P&F.
 
Personally, i have no interest in General Training.

1 month is not going to be enough to train them well (it says so right in the description), and we are going to be gone for an unknown number of months starting next month.

better to save training the namekians for after we come back if that is something we decide we want to do.
but once we teach them better methods to train, they can actually use the remaining 10 months to train better even without our attention!

We're not just training them, we're teaching them to train better!
 
but once we teach them better methods to train, they can actually use the remaining 10 months to train better even without our attention!

We're not just training them, we're teaching them to train better!
You Want someone who has been rushed through the basics, and has not even been introduced to the more advanced stuff, to try and teach other people the stuff they barely know?

remember, this is happening in 20 minute bursts at nowhere near full time.

this is not nearly enough time to overhaul their training plans. We are hopefully getting them some small benefit. Not teaching an entire college class over the course of a weeks worth of time.
 
You Want someone who has been rushed through the basics, and has not even been introduced to the more advanced stuff, to try and teach other people the stuff they barely know?

remember, this is happening in 20 minute bursts at nowhere near full time.

this is not nearly enough time to overhaul their training plans. We are hopefully getting them some small benefit. Not teaching an entire college class over the course of a weeks worth of time.
not true. while we can manifest only for 20 minutes per day, we have no limit on telepathy, and we can look through Bassoon's eyes. It's not the same, but it's still more than "20 minutes per day".

And we're not teaching advanced techniques, we're teaching them training routines. those can be shared easily i think, and will bring results over the course of months. The sooner we do it the better the results
 
not true. while we can manifest only for 20 minutes per day, we have no limit on telepathy, and we can look through Bassoon's eyes. It's not the same, but it's still more than "20 minutes per day".

And we're not teaching advanced techniques, we're teaching them training routines. those can be shared easily i think, and will bring results over the course of months. The sooner we do it the better the results
I agree.

And worst case scenario Kakara learns some Namekian style martial arts or ki use through observation and discussion.
 
I agree.

And worst case scenario Kakara learns some Namekian style martial arts or ki use through observation and discussion.
they probably don't have that much we'd find interesting. Maybe a few decent Piccolo style users, but other than that...

While Namekians are certainly above galactic standard in ki use and training, they're no exiles who BREATH martial arts. It's basically as important as literacy to them!

IF we ever establish relationships between our two people, magical knowledge (and possibly dragonball wishes if we convince them we need/deserve those) would be very interesting/usefull to us, though we might need to fight the sorcerer stigma. We could certainly use the katchin domes for example and magical healers for faster and harsher training regimens (gotta love the Zenkai).

I'll wait to comment on unlocking until we see its effects, though it might be usefull to power-up Maya

...wait a sec...

@PoptartProdigy Did that exile house focused on textile use creation magic to make their clothes? There were rumors about it, but as Bassoon said that "creating clothes is easy, even he can do it" this kinda makes it more believable
 
they probably don't have that much we'd find interesting. Maybe a few decent Piccolo style users, but other than that...

While Namekians are certainly above galactic standard in ki use and training, they're no exiles who BREATH martial arts. It's basically as important as literacy to them!

IF we ever establish relationships between our two people, magical knowledge (and possibly dragonball wishes if we convince them we need/deserve those) would be very interesting/usefull to us, though we might need to fight the sorcerer stigma. We could certainly use the katchin domes for example and magical healers for faster and harsher training regimens (gotta love the Zenkai).

I'll wait to comment on unlocking until we see its effects, though it might be usefull to power-up Maya

...wait a sec...

@PoptartProdigy Did that exile house focused on textile use creation magic to make their clothes? There were rumors about it, but as Bassoon said that "creating clothes is easy, even he can do it" this kinda makes it more believable
True. That's why I said "worst case".

In all honesty, people seem to forget that despite her lacking a strong grounding in any particular style, Kakara is an Exceptional duelist.
 
True. That's why I said "worst case".

In all honesty, people seem to forget that despite her lacking a strong grounding in any particular style, Kakara is an Exceptional duelist.
And is about to become an Exceptional Team Fighter... by Exile standards. She can teach a lot.
[X] Plan Crash Training
Not to be obnoxious, but do you mind unpacking your reasoning here? If there's a concern that only Crash Training addresses, I think we'd all like to hear it.
 
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It's kinda a mess because we don't have all of the plans in one place and the vote tally seems hopelessly confused, but as far as I can tell Crash Training has more self-training than the other leading options. In Last Month Rush, I'm not ecstatic about general training or the third AP in outside world, and likewise in Preparations and Foundations I'm not big on general training. Not that it's useless, but I think it's less important than making sure we're strong enough personally to beat the champion and to deal with stuff later on in the quest.
 
@PoptartProdigy, I think there's a problem with the voting system as it currently stands, and I'm not totally sure how to fix it. Namely, it seems to me that a lot of voters - maybe most of them - don't really have time to keep up with plan discussion and update their votes, so they wind up voting for one plan and leaving the thread. This makes it very, very hard for a more rigorously-examined and updated plan to beat out the first few.
(To be clear, I'm not really blaming anyone. It's a lot of time commitment, just to keep up with the thread as new stuff is posted. But it does seem unfortunate.)
 
@PoptartProdigy, I think there's a problem with the voting system as it currently stands, and I'm not totally sure how to fix it. Namely, it seems to me that a lot of voters - maybe most of them - don't really have time to keep up with plan discussion and update their votes, so they wind up voting for one plan and leaving the thread. This makes it very, very hard for a more rigorously-examined and updated plan to beat out the first few.
(To be clear, I'm not really blaming anyone. It's a lot of time commitment, just to keep up with the thread as new stuff is posted. But it does seem unfortunate.)
I have a few ideas for the next vote.
 
It's kinda a mess because we don't have all of the plans in one place and the vote tally seems hopelessly confused, but as far as I can tell Crash Training has more self-training than the other leading options. In Last Month Rush, I'm not ecstatic about general training or the third AP in outside world, and likewise in Preparations and Foundations I'm not big on general training. Not that it's useless, but I think it's less important than making sure we're strong enough personally to beat the champion and to deal with stuff later on in the quest.
I'll hunt down and quote each plan. It won't help with people who aren't following, but it will allow whoever is to compare and contrast.
 
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