HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Indeed there hasn't. It seems more like a costly-startup across-the-board-improvement project.
...word choice?
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Dragon Ball: After the End
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Well, I suppose the Saiyan brain might actually be designed by someone - Dragonball has a weird cosmology, and stuff like "turning into a giant ape when you see a full moon" doesn't seem like something evolution would come up with.
I'm not touching real life religion, though I understand agreement behind evolution to be the position of everyone except creationists nowadays, and I'm not catering for them.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Ah. It'd sounded like you were saying Poptart was stupid for not giving us proper tradeoffs. Which seemed uncharacteristic of you.
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Oh! No, I meant brain "design", not quest design.
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[X][MIND] Shielding. The number one immediate use you have in mind for this talent is shielding your mind from foreign influences. Dazarel begins helping you to refine the lightning shield.
[X][KILL] Speak up now and remind them all that one, you're thirteen, and two, you actually have a fairly developed view of violence and killing which means that you're not actually willing to kill Haila in cold blood, since they all seem quite certain that you can win the fight without resorting to lethal force.
[X][TRAP] Wish for the trap to be destroyed. (x1.1 vote weighting from, "Ambitious.")
[X][KILL] Speak up now and remind them all that one, you're thirteen, and two, you actually have a fairly developed view of violence and killing which means that you're not actually willing to kill Haila in cold blood, since they all seem quite certain that you can win the fight without resorting to lethal force.
[X][TRAP] Wish for the trap to be destroyed. (x1.1 vote weighting from, "Ambitious.")
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Could I sell you on adding Reorganization or Speed to your approval-vote list? We've had very little discussion of the latter.
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I can give some discussion.
Speed is the most immediately useful given the coming fight (and Kakara's time limit), but beyond that it feels the least needed.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Thing is, it seems like it might be just as general-purpose as Reorganization - any fight, including against Dandeer, and also a number of non-fight event chains, would all plausibly benefit from it. It may or may not pay learning dividends, depending on whether "overclock to analyze whenever you do something tricky" is particularly productive - which now that I mention it, I strongly suspect it would be.
Maybe Reorganization is the "improve known skills" power, and Speed is the "develop new techniques, which is how you break plateaus" power. And Speed is definitely more versatile than just that. Should be fairly cheap in short bursts, too.
Maybe Reorganization is the "improve known skills" power, and Speed is the "develop new techniques, which is how you break plateaus" power. And Speed is definitely more versatile than just that. Should be fairly cheap in short bursts, too.
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I'm not denying its usefulness. It would be great for Kakara in fights (especially when combined with telepathy and/or combat pre-cog) or any crisis situation really. Its just that compared to the early investment of Reorganization or the known and needed utility of Shielding, Speed feels relatively unnecessary.
I feel like I should be knocking on wood given the coming fight, but there's never been a moment for me where I've was thinking "damn it, if only Kakara had more time to make more snap decisions".
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well, when fighting peer-level opponents having more time to think allows you to more easily counter their moves. The results could, at the pinnacle of the skill, be similar to ultra instinct (instead of having our body fight without thinking, we get enough time to think/decide the perfect move. Not the same, but close enough).
Against weaker enemies it doesn't really seem that usefull, unless we need to keep our power level down and can go to our max speed (in body AND mind)
Sucal
The Devil’s Cut
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Just because you can think quicker, doesn't mean you can move quicker
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but you can plan the most efficient set of movements.
Sucal
The Devil’s Cut
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You can also overthink things.
UI works by making it so that you don't have to think, just move
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I don't expect it to be as good as a skill hard to master even for gods and taught by ANGELS, the strongest (known) beings in the setting, but it would be ridiculous if it was actually counterproductive.
It is possible to overthink things, but having more (relative) time to think it's obviously a good thing, unless you actually DO have access to UI. Then it becomes superfluous.
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So I have been thinking about what I want Kakara to focus on during her Space Odyssey adventure.
For here on New Namek, I would like to spend some time imparting our our knowledge and philosophy of Ki to Perika and Bassoon as well. For one thing, I feel that it is the legacy Kakara would prefer to leave behind, and I feel that it teaching others would help her improve too.
Now looking over our character sheet, Kakara's first deficiency appears under Power Levels: Masqued Power Level: 300 Million (Increasable through Masque acclimation).
Next, looking at Abilities we have several to think about.
Next we got our Skills: Combat: Hand-to-Hand (which are surprisingly good given out lack of training in either of our actual Styles).
The next part strikes me as very important. Skills: Combat: Ki Manipulation.
Under Skills: Ki Talents.
That said, while improving that would be nice and would be great for being able to act in space without announcing Saiyan to everyone that's more of a future post-Shade issue.
Next, looking at Abilities we have several to think about.
Of course there is Psychic, Seer & Shield [Level 2/5].
But, we already seem to be in agreement to master this.
What next sticks out to me is, Golden Oozaru, Grade One.
Without the worry of blowing apart our wards at home, it should be conceivably possible to improve this. Preferable to Grade 4 (full-power) or at least Grade 2 (ascended).
Lastly, there is of course the Host Bond, Level 1.
Imminently useful, but since I plan to vote to move on to a new host after the Invasion is defeated (and likely again after that), I'm hesitant to invest too much into it.
Next we got our Skills: Combat: Hand-to-Hand (which are surprisingly good given out lack of training in either of our actual Styles).
Important, but I feel comfortable letting these passively increase. Though I wouldn't be adverse to learning more by teaching others.
The next part strikes me as very important. Skills: Combat: Ki Manipulation.
Kikoho [Unlearned], Dodonpa [Unlearned], Genki Dama [Unlearned].
I very very much want to improve all of these. The Genki Dama most especially.
And given we turned Spirit Saiyan in mid-combat using only one person, I don't see how we couldn't work to improve our skill with it recognizability be damned.
Under Skills: Ki Talents.
We are already working to recreate Perfect Multiform (which I am assuming will be equivalent to obtaining Multiform [Elite]).
I would love to improve out Ki Sense to Elite.
Given the potential All is One Talent, I imagine working on improving out skill at Genki Dama will help here. Though I wouldn't want to miss out on Machine Sense either...
Either way, I want both of those Talents.
The same way, I would love to improve our Ki Telepathy and Ki Telekinesis as well.
These aren't as important to me (and hopefully Telepathy will eventually be redundant given our Psi abilities), but it hurts my Saiyan pride for Kakara to only be [Competent] in either given her overall ability in the field.
Lastly, there is Ki Refinement [Unpromising].
That is actually a (-10). I refuse to allow that to stand!
After that, we got our Noncombat Skills and our Styles.I'm fairly comfortable with our Noncombat Skills right now.
I cannot see us bettering our Styles without traveling through Hell and into Heaven (which we are eventually doing?) and while I'm not against learning a new one, it feels like stretching ourselves thin.
For here on New Namek, I would like to spend some time imparting our our knowledge and philosophy of Ki to Perika and Bassoon as well. For one thing, I feel that it is the legacy Kakara would prefer to leave behind, and I feel that it teaching others would help her improve too.
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
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Generally some good thoughts, though while I'd like to improve Genki Dama in principle, in practice it's an enormous infohazard.
We should really try to work on Tien Style, or maybe even see if we can pick up some tips from Bassoon, he seems to have his own thing going on.
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All updates are on emergency hold, as all computers in my house are unexpectedly out of action.
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Okay, context now: I have been using my wife's Mac while accruing funds to repair my far more expensive PC. A half-hour ago, the Mac three-beeped me when I tried to start it. Will have to see how far the laptop fund we've been building can take us.
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You're trolling, but that should actually work.The thing about Genki Dama is that it's possible, with Perfect Multiform, for Kakara to provide herself with power.
The problem is that it would likely do away with the benefits of going Spirit Saiyan as opposed to, say, learning Super Saiyan 2.
Namely that by being a mass of diverse ki, Kakara remains below the Enemy's notice.
And while Genki Dama is an info hazard, its a manageable one to train with given how selective Kakara can be in theory.
Though I'm curious. Do we know enough of Tien Style to really improve on it alone? I'm worried Kakara would just be teaching herself bad habits. Though I guess she has enough inherent martial skill to try and build on what she does know using first principles...
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But that's a benefit because there's no delay to your reactions, not because people overthink things in fights. So thinking more quickly would, in fact, give a lesser-but-similar benefit along the same lines.
EDIT: Wait hang on, is the speed increase a mechanic to remove the penalty for trying to plan to do three things at once as soon as the fight starts? I recall that being a problem we were warned about before...
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KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
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I'd think she knows enough that, between just practicing her theoretical knowledge, and judicious Sight use, she could do something.
Failing that, we try synthesizing what we know now, with whatever we can learn from Bassoon, and maybe others along the way.
But the fact of the matter is, we can't rely on just raw power and Ki control to win the day. We had that lesson beaten into our skull during the UnSealing.
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I got an Insightful from Poptart for this, so I think I'm correct. And frankly, that sounds good enough to be worth an approval-vote.
[X][MIND] Speed. Dazarel claims that you're actually already doing this, writ small. Apparently not everybody sees the world slow down when it's time to make a decision. Dazarel says that he can make it faster. Distinct from the above in that you're not passively increasing your skill at or inclination towards something; you're just improving your ability to crank up mental processing over the short term.
[X][MIND] Restructuring. A longer-term project, it is possible for a psychic of your type to restructure their thoughts for greater efficiency towards certain purposes. Of course, this would take a while before results materialized...and you would be taking Dazarel entirely at his word as to what the changes would even be...
[X][KILL] Speak up now and remind them all that one, you're thirteen, and two, you actually have a fairly developed view of violence and killing which means that you're not actually willing to kill Haila in cold blood, since they all seem quite certain that you can win the fight without resorting to lethal force.
[X][TRAP] Wish for the trap to be destroyed. (x1.1 vote weighting from, "Ambitious.")
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I agree with you in principle, we could definitely do with improving our crowd-fighting and team-fighting skills (the +20 wasn't enough to get us victory). And the bonuses from furthering our ability in any style would be welcome as well.
I just wonder if attempting to recreate Tien-style from first principles would be a good-use of Kakara's time. And learning a new style would be starting from Scratch (though it would admittedly be faster).