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I'm decently pro Kakara remaining the only viewpoint character. I would prefer she remain the only one, barring her being disqualified for the role like by deletion or whatever, but I'm confident you are capable of making characters I would be willing to have viewpoints swap off with so I could probably be convinced.
 
buli-buli said:
I completely understand why you see that as a mistake. And I can only imagine what it would have been like as a quest player to read that speech at the time. But as someone who binged, it really comes across as a loss in personality. I happened to like how terrible Future!Kakara was at comforting her past self after a devastating defeat.
"Don't worry. The person who's prepratory plans beat out yours is still an idiot!"​
On the other hand, having you come forward about the Future!Kakara's unreliable analysis is good for the voters. I was honestly worried about how the invasion was going to go down with Dandeer leading everything.


I am looking forward to it.

And... hmmm. I guess it would depend on the viewpoint character. And how long we would play them. But, I trust you as a QM. You would/will make it interesting. Especially if its something you want to try.
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I mean, she made her stance on non-Saiyans clear. I assumed she was just going to kill them all. Being an idiot doesn't change that she had 5 SSJ1s to work with. Sure, it would be a horrific loss of life, but nobody we actually knew would die barring some epically terrible rolls, so it could definitely be worse.

I'm fine with some sections playing other people. Just don't do the Walking Dead thing where you jump people over and over and by the time you get back to the first group you've forgotten what they were doing.
 
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ilbgar123 said:
I mean, she made her stance on non-Saiyans clear. I assumed she was just going to kill them all. Being an idiot doesn't change that she had 5 SSJ1s to work with. Sure, it would be a horrific loss of life, but nobody we actually knew would die barring some epically terrible rolls, so it could definitely be worse.

I'm fine with some sections playing other people. Just don't do the Walking Dead thing where you jump people over and over and by the time you get back to the first group you've forgotten what they were doing.
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Her stance? Where Saiyans are inherently insane and they would all be better off as humans?

I meant more that now that I know she isn't doesn't actually have below average intelligence, I can assume she'll likely be able to mind control the coming army as well or something instead of using 5 supersaiyans as hammers, resulting in chunks of the planet being glassed or something.

buli-buli said:
And... hmmm. I guess it would depend on the viewpoint character. And how long we would play them. But, I trust you as a QM. You would/will make it interesting. Especially if its something you want to try.
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To better explain my thoughts. When I hear different viewpoint character, my first thoughts are
"that character you didn't choose" (*cough* Jaffur *cough*)​
character who interacts with main character, thus robbing you of decision-making capabilities for main character (Perika, Bassoon (though admittedly this worry is mitigated by KaKara votes mostly being relatively long-term plans))​
and character whose decisions shouldn't matter until you crit-role on some munchin plan totally ruining all of your regular plans (playing as Maya who manages to defeat Dandeer herself somehow)​
Alternately, there's the character you've never met and won't for a while unless you make the right choices.​
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So, my gut reaction is no. But, I have seen it done well. And I trust @PoptartProdigy as a QM.
 
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buli-buli said:
Her stance? Where Saiyans are inherently insane and they would all be better off as humans?

I meant more that now that I now she isn't doesn't actually have below average intelligence, I can assume she'll likely be able to mind control the coming army as well or something instead of using 5 supersaiyans as hammers, resulting in chunks of the planet being glassed or something.


To better explain my thoughts. When I hear different viewpoint character, my first thoughts are
"that character you didn't choose" (*cough* Jaffur *cough*)​
character who interacts with main character, thus robbing you of decision-making capabilities for main character (Perika, Bassoon (though admittedly this worry is mitigated by KaKara votes mostly being relatively long-term plans))​
and character whose decisions shouldn't matter until you crit-role on some munchin plan totally ruining all of your regular plans (playing as Maya who manages to defeat Dandeer herself somehow)​
Alternately, there's the character you've never met and won't for a while unless you make the right choices.​
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So, my gut reaction is no. But, I have seen it done well. And I trust @PoptartProdigy as a QM.
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Well, her reaction to Garenhulders nuking themselves was, at best dismissive, and at worst, somewhat pleased, so I assume her pro-human bias is specifically towards humans and against Saiyans, and everyone else falls somewhere below.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
I've covered before what a mistake it was to forget about explaining why we proceeded to a fight with Yammar without the promised vote. Caused a lot of grief. It was probably my largest mistake. But looking back, I can admit that is was not my only big mistake in that update. So I've gone back, and I've revised the dialogue between Kakara and future!Kakara. Because that, too, was a gigantic mistake of which I should have thought better.
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can you give a link to the specific threadmark you modified? it's a bit annoying to search for it.

Maybe even add a threadmark post warning you modified that post?

PoptartProdigy said:
...how married are you to Kakara being the only viewpoint character we will ever play?
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I'd love to use other characters, though it depends monstly on the characters themselves.

I think I'm not the only player who's thinking "quest is great, but what if we chose Jaffur instead?"

Jaffur and what little misinterpretation of orders he can get aways with right now (or even better, playing him a bit once he's free!), Maya and her training with the Senzu, Raditz breaking the barrier and going ssj, Bassoon's/Guru's pov on the whole situation, C18/C17 going all hero rebels throughout the galaxy, Dazarel, maybe a soldier from the coming army choosing to defect, Kakara's family... the possibilities are endless!

If it's not too much work though I'd like to have character sheets for these characters, at least if we end up using them for more than a couple of updates. They don't need to be as detailed as Kakara's, but we do need to know what we're working with.


P.S. is this the only post you modified? Dragon Ball: After the End Sci-Fi
 
PoptartProdigy said:
Meanwhile, going forward, I actually wanted to discuss some of my long-term plans for this quest! I'm very excited about some of the things we have in store; the arcs coming up are the most extensively planned stories we've had in this quest. I feel eager to get to them, and I think it's going to be a grand adventure for us all. But before we get there, I have one question...

...how married are you to Kakara being the only viewpoint character we will ever play?
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I want to at least try these new ideas (including new perceptions) - we can always stop or at worse recon them later if they go completely wrong. But I have faith in your wordsmith skills seeing us through. I think it's also only fair if a GM should always look for a way to say yes to what players want to do (without breaking the game) that the audience says yes to the directions the author may want to experiment with (within reason). Plus having multiple characters does raise the stakes as it becomes more feasible some the audience is invested in could die.
 
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I am partial to controlling only kakara. But i am fine with the occasional interlude/pov change.

I just dont want to control the actions of other characters.
 
Pittauro said:
can you give a link to the specific threadmark you modified? it's a bit annoying to search for it.

Maybe even add a threadmark post warning you modified that post?
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Good points. There's a notice in the update now that it has been modified, but it could stand to be more obvious.
Gore17 said:
Fairly and firmly.
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Mathematicae said:
Till death do us part.
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DarknessSmiles said:
I am partial to controlling only kakara. But i am fine with the occasional interlude/pov change.

I just dont want to control the actions of other characters.
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Could y'all elaborate on why?
 
PoptartProdigy said:
Meanwhile, going forward, I actually wanted to discuss some of my long-term plans for this quest! I'm very excited about some of the things we have in store; the arcs coming up are the most extensively planned stories we've had in this quest. I feel eager to get to them, and I think it's going to be a grand adventure for us all. But before we get there, I have one question...

...how married are you to Kakara being the only viewpoint character we will ever play?
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Not really at all, though I don't want it to drift to far from Kakara's story. I would be perfectly fine doing stuff with the misfits and and Senzus, or continuing to play as Bassoon after we leave, or that sort of thing, but I'm somewhat hesistant to let it drift *too* far from her being the focus, though I'm happy to let you try and see how it works, and I'd probably be similarly fine if you made another quest focused on other events in the galaxy that eventually crossed over, or something like that.
 
Well, Kakara would certainly still be the protagonist. What I envision with this is cuts away from her thread to see and play what's going on elsewhere. Picture that were still doing what we are, but then we hit a period where nothing really is going to be happening. Rather than strain for something to fill the time, I can offer a vote on how she wants to spend her time cut to another character's crisis point, we'll play them through it, we might vote on what their general goal is going forward from that crisis point, and then we return to Kakara and her story. Cutaways, not multiple protagonists.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
Well, Kakara would certainly still be the protagonist. What I envision with this is cuts away from her thread to see and play what's going on elsewhere. Picture that were still doing what we are, but then we hit a period where nothing really is going to be happening. Rather than strain for something to fill the time, I can offer a vote on how she wants to spend her time cut to another character's crisis point, we'll play them through it, we might vote on what their general goal is going forward from that crisis point, and then we return to Kakara and her story. Cutaways, not multiple protagonists.
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I'm personally totally fine with that, since it shouldn't seriously detract from her story, and might essentially just be the quest equivalent of an interlude about relevant stuff.
 
I consider this quest to be kakara's story.

Little side stories that enhance her story are fine. But i am not here for the story of the galaxy as a whole. Im here for the story of how kakara affects the galaxy.

Im also concerned that if we start following other characters, we will slow down the story progression a lot.

Overall, i just dont think its a good idea @PoptartProdigy.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
Well, Kakara would certainly still be the protagonist. What I envision with this is cuts away from her thread to see and play what's going on elsewhere. Picture that were still doing what we are, but then we hit a period where nothing really is going to be happening. Rather than strain for something to fill the time, I can offer a vote on how she wants to spend her time cut to another character's crisis point, we'll play them through it, we might vote on what their general goal is going forward from that crisis point, and then we return to Kakara and her story. Cutaways, not multiple protagonists.
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I see, with the alternative being timeskips? That's fair, if you're not a fan of them.

Would this be fully self-contained little arcs, with us not returning to characters after their moments in the sun? And if it's prolonged periods where we would have had multiple training votes during the skip, would we have Kakara's training votes/summaries at the end of updates, or skip them entirely? (I'm envisioning a line per training item, real bare-bones "X advanced to skill level Y", "progress was made on Z but nothing concrete", etc.)
 
Deathbybunnies said:
I see, with the alternative being timeskips? That's fair, if you're not a fan of them.

Would this be fully self-contained little arcs, with us not returning to characters after their moments in the sun? And if it's prolonged periods where we would have had multiple training votes during the skip, would we have Kakara's training votes/summaries at the end of updates, or skip them entirely? (I'm envisioning a line per training item, real bare-bones "X advanced to skill level Y", "progress was made on Z but nothing concrete", etc.)
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Generally, I have a timeline for when certain things are going to happen, and over the course of years, Kakara is not always imminently going to have something happening. What I envision is basically tab-switching over to another viewpoint where shit's going down. Most of the ones I have planned out are members of the Resistance back home and what kind of shit they're going through. I have a fair bit planned out for Jaron, in particular (specifically Jaron). I might return to characters more than once, but it'd very much be, "so, while Kakara is handling this desperately uncinematic thing, who wants to control Jaron during the invasion?" or something like that.

Meanwhile, I'd handle what Kakara was doing in the interim once we switched back over to her.
 
I think it could work, so long as the pov switches are short.

My worry would just be rendering Kakara's return to stop Dandeer as redundant. Which would really kill the her story's narrative weight.
 
buli-buli said:
I think it could work, so long as the pov switches are short.

My worry would just be rendering Kakara's return to stop Dandeer as redundant. Which would really kill the her story's narrative weight.
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That's...unlikely.

I won't say, "impossible," because y'all have surprised me before, but I would be extremely surprised indeed if you managed that.
 
I am definitely okay with it in that context. I wanna know how everyone's doing back home.

e: On another note, if we get wishes out of this, I say we wish for a Hyperbolic Time Chamber, or access to it.

I can't remember, would it be possible for Kakara to wish for talent in magic?
 
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@PoptartProdigy Since you're answering questions, what exactly has happened to Kakara's body? Is it still being controlled by Dandeer, or was it put into some kind of coma when her spirit escaped, or something else? I was ah... kind of skimming around at that point and might of missed it, but I also think that it hasn't been talked about, in the story posts since anyway.
 
Zedman7054 said:
@PoptartProdigy Since you're answering questions, what exactly has happened to Kakara's body? Is it still being controlled by Dandeer, or was it put into some kind of coma when her spirit escaped, or something else? I was ah... kind of skimming around at that point and might of missed it, but I also think that it hasn't been talked about, in the story posts since anyway.
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Kakara doesn't know.
 
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