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Dragon Ball: After the End

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Alanek said:
....Wait, I brought it up before?
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Not you in particular, but the playerbase as a whole, yeah:
NavySeel said:
You know just for old times sake before we become a shade or what ever, Let's spit in Dandeer's face.
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Lailoken said:
Can't. I don't have time to run the calcs on a FPSSJ ballistic loogie right now, but I'm almost certain it will run afoul of her "no killing" rule.
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PoptartProdigy said:
Dandeer sighs. "Honey, I know you have a big vocabulary, but can you talk like a normal person?"

"I cannot," he replies. "Your spell is continually disrupting attempts at slipping subtle insults into my speech, when I try."
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PoptartProdigy said:
"So, kiddo, how's it feel to realize that even when you use your magic, your son's don't really love you?"

She flinches back before covering it with a scowl. "Just growing pains. Jaffur, sweetie, tell him."

"They are not. This is the farthest you will get," says Jaffur.
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:rofl::rofl::rofl:


...Jaffur just raised a few places in my favourite characters' list

PoptartProdigy said:
"Of course I do," you reply, chuckling. "Which is why I have you pegged. Even now, with your victory so close at hand, there's not a single person here who loves you."

Dandeer misses a step, and stumbles to a halt.

You give her back a vile smirk. "Forget me. Forget Kakara. Not a single one of your puppets loves you. I remember what it's like, being under. Let me tell you, Dandeer, there's no love. I just forget why I shouldn't do as you say. Do you know how much stuff you need to strip away to make me forget why I shouldn't follow your orders? There's barely anything about you left!" You bare your teeth. "They don't love you any more than a golem you made would. Nobody and nothing loves you, and nothing ever will."
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:o:o
The burn! i genuinely feel bad for Dandeer.
PoptartProdigy said:
Of course, there's a reason why you were so damned passive about things, and Apra...she wanted to keep her granddaughter out of it as much as possible. You know your counterpart has been crying herself to sleep most nights, given what the plan called for regarding her son. She probably wasn't thinking about cold-blooded, efficient ways to exploit her granddaughter.
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This explains Apra. Also i have to say she kept her sadness under control very well. I actually forgot how hard this must have been on her, conspiring against her son and involving her granddaughter in it.

PoptartProdigy said:
I do not deserve anything, but...after so long, I want to know that I did something without a shade of grey. I want to know that my final act was a worthy one.

Please. I have done...so much wrong. Allow to to do one last thing right.
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...Poor Yammar... i hope he survives, or that if he doesn't that Yemma will be mercifull. It would be good for him to have a heart-to-heart talk with ancestor Vegeta.


PoptartProdigy said:
You are confident that now, a mere moment after awakening, Kakara has some plan. Now might be the best time for her to try it. Nobody expects her to try anything. Dandeer is not an idiot, per se, but she is arrogant, and not nearly as smart as she thinks she is.
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Dandeer does have her blind spots. Also Yammar respects us more than i thought. That's nice.
I hope he survives, he can be our grumpy uncle/grandpa who actually likes us, honest!
 
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I still think we should reach for MORE POWER, by whatever means. Sometimes, the cost of failing is too high. Even if that failure would only be temporary here and would lead to greater success in the long run. Continuing to try here may be all but futile, but let's engage in that hopeless struggle anyway.
 
Gore17 said:
Maybe, and no.

Why do people keep bringing it up?
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Because we can still get answers from her by using the Sight to visit her posthumously, and in the meantime it seems like the most effective way to stop the Sealing.

I assume @PoptartProdigy ran the numbers on simply trying to give Dandeer a 'redemption speech', but it's a fun option to think about. She wants quite desperately to be loved, after all...
 
So... Kakara's unrestrained, right?

Can the chains restraining Yammar be affected by outside Ki? Either blowing them off with a blast or picking the lock with Ki TK?

@PoptartProdigy
 
Cariyaga said:
I mean, we can vote it in regardless. There will be capital-C Consequences, but we could do it.
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HoratioVonBecker said:
Because we can still get answers from her by using the Sight to visit her posthumously, and in the meantime it seems like the most effective way to stop the Sealing.

I assume @PoptartProdigy ran the numbers on simply trying to give Dandeer a 'redemption speech', but it's a fun option to think about. She wants quite desperately to be loved, after all...
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Guys. We're not killing Dandeer. Kakara will never take an action that leads directly to someone's death.
 
Okay, people! We need a list of resources - what we know about the relevant folks' Traits, what powerups we can get, etcetera - and we especially need a list of likely rolls. I want to drown our plan in bonuses if we go for the Parson Gotti route, and I want to go the Parson Gotti route.
 
HoratioVonBecker said:
I assume @PoptartProdigy ran the numbers on simply trying to give Dandeer a 'redemption speech', but it's a fun option to think about. She wants quite desperately to be loved, after all...
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...i wonder how she would react to pity and compassion.
chryssalideater said:
Guys. We're not killing Dandeer. Kakara will never take an action that leads directly to someone's death.
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not exactly. She'll act to kill if we vote to, but she won't believe it was the right thing to do, so she'll feel guilty and there will be heavy consequences on her psyche.
EDIT: i suppose her hesitation would probably give us a few maluses when we try.
 
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She'd have to roll a Willpower check, but if she's desperate enough... Well, it's better than coming back and killing both Jaffur and her Dad. Which is my personal interpretation of "You do not want to become Queen the way I did", by the way.
 
How about trying to bring in the clan head and their heirs in to disrupt Dandeer and Saiyans through apart from breaking Yammer and the Senzus?
At this rate we need to bring in numbers to increase any of our plan success.
Its doesn't matter how far they are but if they can draw off the Saiyans..
 
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I don't vote that often and I've purposefully kept myself absent from the aftermath of the last post but I feel compelled to say I am personally very against following the plan we were handed. Its honestly the only option we really even have but I just want to say I dislike it intensely.

So I'm hoping that someone can come up with a cool Hail Mary play.

Personally I know how I would like the situation to resolve, but I also know that there is no chance that would happen so I'm just gonna sit here quietly and see where this goes.
 
That being said, in liability of a really good plan, we should go with the default option here.

This is that awkward moment where we all need to ignore our pride. It's hard to do, but it's usually the key to success in Dragonball.
 
As others have mentioned, a hole in the throat won't kill her; It's actually a valid medical treatment in some cases; It's called a stoma.

But a more likely result of spitting in her throat is either collapsing it or bruising it heavily, neither of which are fatal.

The loogie is potentially viable, we don't know for certain yet - it's something that we can vote for "Try this, if it fails, quickly do this!"
The real question is, then, "What do we do if it works?"
 
Alanek said:
As others have mentioned, a hole in the throat won't kill her; It's actually a valid medical treatment in some cases; It's called a stoma.

But a more likely result of spitting in her throat is either collapsing it or bruising it heavily, neither of which are fatal.

The loogie is potentially viable, we don't know for certain yet - it's something that we can vote for "Try this, if it fails, quickly do this!"
The real question is, then, "What do we do if it works?"
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punch her? Use her as a hostage? No one else here has the "don't negotiate with terrorists" trait aside from Yammar, and he's not being controlled.
 
Cariyaga said:
So... Kakara's unrestrained, right?

Can the chains restraining Yammar be affected by outside Ki? Either blowing them off with a blast or picking the lock with Ki TK?

@PoptartProdigy
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You are still restrained, per the update before last.
chryssalideater said:
Well...were they good numbers? I'll accept 'kinda' or 'not really' at this point.
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They were numbers such that their existence did not merit me changing my prior statements on your odds of success.
 
Philosophical note:

I think the fundamental thing about Dandeer's magic is that it can only subtract. Now, it can get very inventive, by doing things like "subtract all your ability to disobey Dandeer" making you super-susceptible to her control. But it can't create any new, positive thing. It cannot, for example, create the emotion of love.

Aranfan said:
The reason I voted to kill Freeza, is that Goku said he wouldn't forgive him even if he apologized for killing Krillin.

Then in canon Goku basically let him go. Effectively forgiving him. And I just felt that was out of character.
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I respect this, I just, well. You know.

I hope we get another showcase fight that we don't feel compelled to end quickly.

Alanek said:
....It wouldn't technically be ballistic? It would be going fast enough that dropping lower won't be a factor...

But beyond that, why not? Spit is an effective weapon.
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PoptartProdigy said:
So it's a hitscan loogie? :p
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Things moving so fast as to be effectively hitscan, but which do not move under their own power and are subject to gravity, are ballistic.

Cariyaga said:
I'm... pretty sure that Karen will become real if we go through with the plan, in the same way as Jaron did.
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I don't know. Jaron was created as a real separate entity because Jaffur used sorcery to defend himself against the Sealing. What was supposed to happen was that Jaffur's mind would get... TRIMMED... [shudders]...

Anyway, trimmed into being Jaron's mind, or something like Jaron- a 'normal human boy' who loves his mother with all his heart and needs to know no more than that.

chryssalideater said:
Guys. We're not killing Dandeer. Kakara will never take an action that leads directly to someone's death.
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As I understand it, we CAN vote to have Kakara kill someone.

It's just that if we do so, she'll suffer tremendous dissonance and trauma and be incredibly torn up by the experience. She'll never be the same and may never be 'as good,' and probably won't be in shape to deal with the immediate aftermath of the killing she's just committed.

veekie said:
Hitscan loogie targeting mouth.
Just stop her ability to cast for a moment
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For the record, behind the mouth is the brainstem, so this is not a surefire way to non-lethally disable a spellcaster if you're talking about a loogie that flies at (in relative terms) bullet speeds and can literally smash through the opponent.

Likewise, behind the throat is the spine and on either side of it are the blood vessels supplying the brain.
 
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