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Dragon Ball: After the End

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Doomed Wombat said:
The Senzu have the only ship, one problem there are what 3-4 active SS who will shoot it down, even if it worked properly./QUOTE]
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Which is why they fly away while the invasion is happening and the super saiyans are all busy.
And about them contacting us and us contactiong them, we're a seer we can work something out.
 
NavySeel said:
Which is why they fly away while the invasion is happening and the super saiyans are all busy.
And about them contacting us and us contactiong them, we're a seer we can work something out.
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I get the feeling that the invasion is not going to go like that since Dandeer's under no obligation to do things subtly like we wanted too.

She's likely to just set her three brain dead minions on them and rip the entire fleet to shreds before their leader can do anything beyond blink, then take control of the leader for good measure.

Maybe, but they'll likely be tripply paranoid, so lets not hope, specially since its entirely possible our puppetted body will still be wondering around.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
And we kept getting reassured that "no Kakara the adults know what we're doing, you're so young, you shouldn't have this responsibility forced on you by our mistakes."

Well sorry Grandma, your mistakes were forced on us, and you didn't have the common courtesy to clean it up properly!
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And that is just a sign that maybe we should have been punching an adult in the face every time they pulled that sort of shit. Yes, adults have more experience. Yes, they have had decades to soak up the teachings of generations long past. But they have experience fucking up, they keep fucking up anyway, and their ancestors passed down a great and mighty list of ways to fuck up.

That isn't to say there isn't some honest-to-god wisdom there. There is. But its mixed in with so much drek and its our job to sift through all of that, rigorously, violently hammering on that sack of cats until something useful falls out the bottom. It was arguably everyone's job, but ours especially.

Maybe that was the point. We always tried to make people happy today, not tried to beat a proper happy ending out of things. Even if that means rocking the boat and ruining a lot of smiles in the short term.

Now we are paying our dues and it is time to play Odysseus for the next ten years.
 
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NavySeel said:
You know just for old times sake before we become a shade or what ever, Let's spit in Dandeer's face.
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Can't. I don't have time to run the calcs on a FPSSJ ballistic loogie right now, but I'm almost certain it will run afoul of her "no killing" rule.



Doomed Wombat said:
Honestly the future of the species is on the line, politics can be scraped off the wall into a bucket for all we should care.


The Senzu have the only ship, one problem there are what 3-4 active SS who will shoot it down, even if it worked properly.

+ I doubt the Senzu will have any idea how to contact us and vice versa.
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So, they had better grab that stealth scout ship which managed to sneak in despite every Saiyan on the entire planet searching for it at exactly the right time...
 
Doomed Wombat said:
I get the feeling that the invasion is not going to go like that since Dandeer's under no obligation to do things subtly like we wanted too.

She's likely to just set her three brain dead minions on them and rip the entire fleet to shreds before their leader can do anything beyond blink, then take control of the leader for good measure.
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Yes, but that's plenty of time to get out of atmosphere and get away.
Dbz ships seem to be able to go ftl no matter where they are, so they just needto get out of athmosphere, even super saiyans aren't that fast.

Would they even notice a few saiyans in the air, they can't sense ships, just the people in them. by the time they realize it's the senzus it should be too late
 
Lailoken said:
So, they had better grab that stealth scout ship which managed to sneak in despite every Saiyan on the entire planet searching for it at exactly the right time...
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And where exactly was that being kept?

NavySeel said:
Yes, but that's plenty of time to get out of atmosphere and get away.
Dbz ships seem to be able to go ftl no matter where they are, so they just needto get out of athmosphere, even super saiyans aren't that fast.

Would they even notice a few saiyans in the air, they can't sense ships, just the people in them. by the time they realize it's the senzus it should be too late
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Super Saiyans with Instant Transmission on the other hand?

Who else would in a ship? Who else has a ship.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
Super Saiyans with Instant Transmission on the other hand?

Who else would in a ship? Who else has a ship.
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I think you're over estimating how much of a priority the Senzu's leaving is.
Dwndeer is arrogant,she wouldn't see them as a threat she has all the super saiyans under her control.
She'd be far more worried about the aliens ruining her perfect world.

I think you're also underestimating the aliens, their leader at the very least is probably able to put up a fight.
 
NavySeel said:
I think you're over estimating how much of a priority the Senzu's leaving is.
Dwndeer is arrogant,she wouldn't see them as a threat she has all the super saiyans under her control.
She'd be far more worried about the aliens ruining her perfect world.

I think you're also underestimating the aliens, their leader at the very least is probably able to put up a fight.
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Yes, he is, but his favourite leitenant was barely a bug on the wind shield to Kakara. The leader maybe able to match one SS at best.

How do you think he'd handle three of them?

Maybe I am badly underestimating him, but given what we know of them I get the feeling that the only reason he was a real problem was because we didn't want to alert the greater galaxy to our presence already, similar to the scouts and Dandeer isn't smart enough to even consider this possibility.

As I recall she wanted to go nightmare mode on the scouts, but was over ruled by Berra.
 
NavySeel said:
I think you're over estimating how much of a priority the Senzu's leaving is.
Dwndeer is arrogant,she wouldn't see them as a threat she has all the super saiyans under her control.
She'd be far more worried about the aliens ruining her perfect world.

I think you're also underestimating the aliens, their leader at the very least is probably able to put up a fight.
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Not against a united front of Super Saiyans and Dandeer actually contributing with sorcerous might. Since she is doing things explicitly impossible for known magic, I'd not place any faith in the invasion accomplishing anything outside a double or triple crit.
 
I mean big whoop on the vote. We're taking the plan option, we're not freeing Yammar, so decide if you want the senzus free or if you want a 1% chance that Jaffur does something cool. Either way, make your peace with this world, because we ain't hanging around.
 
deadcrystal said:
Not a dude, first off.
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Sorry for that.

Second I said that I believe poptart wouldn't make it so rape magically solves all problems with no negative consequences. That would 100% make them a rape apologist, but because I don't think they are, they won't do that.
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You presented a pretty apocalyptic scenario and said that other alternative is that "rape magically solves all problems". In your presentation it looked like a dichotomy, while in reality it isn't - you can actually write successful brainwashing (one that doesn't lead to 90% fatality rate) without being rape apologist.
 
ilbgar123 said:
Not against a united front of Super Saiyans and Dandeer actually contributing with sorcerous might. Since she is doing things explicitly impossible for known magic, I'd not place any faith in the invasion accomplishing anything outside a double or triple crit.
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I don't have fate in them winning i just think they're enough of a distraction.
chryssalideater said:
I mean big whoop on the vote. We're taking the plan option, we're not freeing Yammar, so decide if you want the senzus free or if you want a 1% chance that Jaffur does something cool. Either way, make your peace with this world, because we ain't hanging around.
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I think the Senzu's are a better option because they can take Maya and train her.
I can't really see a great outcome from saving Jaffur, he'll just get mobbed. and i don't know if he can hide like the senzu's can if he does manage to escape.
 
I like the idea of going ghost and getting the hell out of here with Maya and maybe some invaders. Or maybe we could tag along with the Senzu's?

I expect Dandeer'll be much more competent in her sealing so there won't continue being the same mess of mental issues. I doubt she'll put the effort into sealing most though, just another weird memory wipe on the level of the sorcerer slaughter.

Hmm, maybe we can get some Seer visions on Dandeer to find out more about her? Also creeped out by the thought that our body/identity could be puppeted, would going shade prevent that?
 
NavySeel said:
We have lot of the same restrictions in space,super saiyan 2 and beyond will still draw attention from the enemy.
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Yeah, but none on how we choose to interact, where we want to go ect.

No expectations from people, just a goal we have in our mind and our ability to try and fulfil it.

Restrictions sure, but at least we won't have to waste time going to talk shows (in theory at least.)

Pity cause I liked that, but still.
 
Grigori said:
I like the idea of going ghost and getting the hell out of here with Maya and maybe some invaders. Or maybe we could tag along with the Senzu's?
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Tagging along with maya or the senzus seems a waste to me atleast right now.
I really don't know how we can get them off planet.

The best option is in my opinion to have the senzus steal the stealth ship along with the misfits then go into hiding.
They can then leave and we train them into super sayians.
 
To be honest, I was kind of interested in why Garenhuld was so... innovation-averse, but since we don't seem like we'd get an answer for that by just asking Poptart what's going on there, yeah, let's ignore this world and go all-in on getting as many skill-ups as we can. Combat Precog, Style Bonuses, Hit's Time Stop, the whole enchilada. If Yammar is complaining about our inability to compensate for our lack of power the moment tricks don't help, then we power-up and get more tricks, to the point the entirety of the rest of our race becomes a non-issue. Clearly, we can't count on them to do anything, so we need to get strong enough to do everything ourselves. Like Goku.

I really think the pacifistic thing is screwing us over though. There comes a point where your opponent is simply not going to stop if you ask nicely, or even if you seal off their powers, and Dazarel seems to have been in that camp the whole time. Dandeer, with a plan that boils down to 'Mind-rape everyone into loving and serving me.' seems to have also crossed that line. Our only solution is to get strong and esoteric enough that they simply can't stop us, even with a Spirit Bomb. Did we tell anyone else how to do that, by the way? Because I can see some of the smarter puppets being concerned that their only hope of beating an enemy that would ordinarily require SS2 has left an empty shell of a body behind and disappeared.
 
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Terrabrand said:
Oh boy. No, no it's not.

The Enemy doesn't just kill people, he completely and totally destroys them. No coming back, no gojng to the afterlife, just gone, completely and for good.

There is nothing merciful about death at the Enemy's hands. There is nothing recoverable about it, either.
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How was Maron wished back to life then?
 
chryssalideater said:
I mean big whoop on the vote. We're taking the plan option, we're not freeing Yammar, so decide if you want the senzus free or if you want a 1% chance that Jaffur does something cool. Either way, make your peace with this world, because we ain't hanging around.
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I'll take that 1% chance. Jaffur is bullshit and the Senzus have REALLY not impressed.
 
Hm, now I'm wondering, CAN we train up our Style bonuses without any tutors? Everyone we know is about to be Dandeer's puppet or is dead. We might be forced to train up new skills. Though I imagine Combat Precog is going to synergize well with just about everything.
 
WorthyAlchemist? said:
I'll take that 1% chance. Jaffur is bullshit and the Senzus have REALLY not impressed.
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Jaffur's impressed even less.

His one note worthy achievement got him knocked out again. For a guy that was hyped up as the next best thing since sliced bread he was ****ing useless.

At least the Senzu did three useful things

1. Provide Beans
2. Provide Dandelor
3. Yell at Dandeer.
 
ilbgar123 said:
Hm, now I'm wondering, CAN we train up our Style bonuses without any tutors? Everyone we know is about to be Dandeer's puppet or is dead. We might be forced to train up new skills. Though I imagine Combat Precog is going to synergize well with just about everything.
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Apparently, to get the highest level of style bonuses outright requires self improvement, so I'm assuming we can.

Doubly so with seer powers.
 
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