Mind not insulting and outright threatening the GM who is volunteering to invest thousands of hours of skilled labor into providing you personalized, interactive entertainment for free?
Dragon Ball: After the End
Mind not insulting and outright threatening the GM who is volunteering to invest thousands of hours of skilled labor into providing you personalized, interactive entertainment for free?
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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I agree with what you're saying, but you're the last person who should be saying it.
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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Violations of Rule 4 - Your posts have repeatedly lowered the tone of the thread
I mean it's a terrible idea but it'd be so satisfying.
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- Russia
While I also don't like current events, you are dramatically exaggerating on some points and plain wrong on others.
For example, Jaffur/Jaron divide, Jaffur's awareness and Jaron's mood really stem from the same source - faulty seal (Jaffur instinctively tried to fight the Sealing with his own magic at the moment of sealing and created Jaron as an independent personality instead of becoming Jaron). Jaron's nightly visits to Jaffur which he was forgetting every morning played merry hell with his psyche which made him suicidal without even realizing true reason for such behavior. Properly applied Seal doesn't cause any such repercussion, case in point - Vegeta. He just became Dandeer's loving husband.
There is no indication that mind control is degenerative (or, at least, that it is progressively degenerative). All we know is that mind control debuffs you Deceit while you are under it.
"Mind rape the world to be better" is misrepresentation of current events since to believe that you have to believe that Dandeer's world is a better world. You doesn't seem to believe it and neither do I. In reality, the statement made is "You can mind rape the world into becoming God-Emperor of the planet". I find nothing objectionable in a setting where such feat is possible - it is not the first, neither the last story about country-wide brainwashing. That doesn't actually mean that mind control is the universal answer to any problem or that you can construct utopia with it. Thus author of such story cannot be called "mind rape apologist".
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
No idea, we have no idea why she decided to kill them.
I'm basing my assumption on her not killing people on the fact that the Senzu are still alive and that her puppets didn't try to kill anyone, even Yammar.
Who knows maybe she just doesn't consider them a threat, maybe they would have if she had phrased her command differently, but so far she has neglected to kill people outside of that one glaring instance.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
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- Buenos Aires, Argentina
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- He/his
Dandeer made a lot of advances in magic. Apparently, all previous attempts at mind control were not so sophisticated and he wasn't acted like someone who was (probably because other than the be more passive thing, he wasn't). Even then, as someone who actually organised the conspiracy and made a lot of effort so that it wasn't discovered, they thought it was better to use the power Dandelor actually had to check the unknowns that they brought in and since Carrick was subverted and he assured them the seers said there were no issues, they got a bit more confident. As for Yammar spending time with her... he doesn't actually. Apparently, she trapped him when he rushed in after she sealed his family (with a trap she could have been preparing for months depending since the sealing is a lot more premeditated than we originally thought) but other than that, it seems that the first time they met after the sealing was at Garenhuld II and they weren't alone at any point of it. Yammar made a point of not interfering with exile politics and the next time they met was probably while preparing for Dazzarel so for all intents and purposes, it didn't seem like she had any chance to actually put a spell on him.
Come to think about it, the time that Dandeer enslaved Carrick was probably after we told Carrick about Jaffur being awake. Because of the yearly plan voting we had back then, we followed up on that and brought him in the following year so it could be that he tried to check by himself and did so at a time Dandeer was around. If she captured him and subverterted him then, it could be that, since Carrick was the only seer we interacted with in regards with the sealing, it could be that there was never a conspiracy by the seers to free Jaffur. Which is probably the most likely scenario since otherwise the other seers could have seen this.
Then by the time we saw that Dandeer might interfere with Seers, Yammar was so angry that he wanted the unsealing to happen the next month and when we were asked if we wanted to change the sequence of events or if there were any last minute considerations, we chose no.
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- The Great Beyond
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- He/She/They
I don't read much user fiction and play in a lot of quests, and I'm fine with it, so I don't think your assessment is accurate.
Oh boy. No, no it's not.
The Enemy doesn't just kill people, he completely and totally destroys them. No coming back, no gojng to the afterlife, just gone, completely and for good.
There is nothing merciful about death at the Enemy's hands. There is nothing recoverable about it, either.
There is nothing merciful about death at the Enemy's hands. There is nothing recoverable about it, either.
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- Here and there
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- He/Him
Oh lailoken, maybe next time you'll phrase your advice in a way that doesn't make everyone ignore you out of sheer reflex.
EllenTenshima
Tengu Mask
Frankly, we have no way to know this. Just as Kakara has barely interacted with Dandeer, neither has she with her husband.
We only figured out Jaron because, dare I say, Kakara was pretty good friends with him.
His father is probably better at hiding suicidal thoughts, being an adult and all, if he does have them.
But yes, Jaron's situation is most likely a result of Jaffur's magical potential interacting weirdly with the spell, or something along those lines.
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- Academy City
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- They
Gohan is still around, though, and so are some of the others; it's not impossible to avoid him doing so, and honestly DBverse suicide isn't that bad, especially to saiyans who know about the afterlife. He's sensable from a ways off, so either we avoid him and don't die, or avoid the worst end.
...That's literally rape, as in literally literally.
Seeing how little we know of it, it seems pretty indicative of it.
He didn't make the arguement that the OP was, so what you are doing here is called strawmanning.
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and the source of many new ones!
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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So really rereading we need to get Maya out as well as the Senzu's she's going to be incredibly useful.
Our other friends won't cost us anything to get out according to future us so we might as well do that too.
Then we head to space and find 17 and 18 as well as Namek.
Our other friends won't cost us anything to get out according to future us so we might as well do that too.
Then we head to space and find 17 and 18 as well as Namek.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
I know that, but my point was based on the idea that he knew about her mind control, only that he knew that she was a mental specialist (certain truth) and that Yammar has spent time in close proximity with her for years before he gave up leadership. You know similar to how she massacred the Sorcerers years ago. Why would he, who understands he capabilities more than anyone not be overwhelmingly paranoid about her abilities and sceptical of everyone he couldn't verify was not under some degree of influence, especially the man organising this cluster.
Why on earth would Carrick get close? He's a seer, I thought the point was that they didn't need too.
Yeah "angry" I thought his seal was meant to make him passive. As for not choosing to make any last minute alterations, well of course we didn't there was never an indicator that anyone was subverted or that there were alterations to make. After all we kept getting reassured that "eeeeevwything's gonna be fine Kakara, leave it to your seniors."
Well that ended in a dumpster fire.
Hopefully future us is right and they'll be actually useful when not being strung along by a brain dead arse hole.
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NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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It's not hard to see how a trained up Maya would help and the Senzus are the best people to do that.
I trust that much if what she said.
May as well rope in the rest of our friends too if it doesn't cost anything.
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Oh, really? That's what he said:
So either 90% of the population dies or GM is rape apologist because he sends message that "you can rape the world better". I called him on that - successful mass mind control in the setting doesn't mean that author is a rape apologist.
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- Academy City
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- They
Hopefully if we can get dandelor and the senzus out of here, we can allow some of the senzu can go super saiyan. Our unwillingness stemmed from politics, but with the entire exile leadership mind controlled that's not really a factor.
Conceptualist
Best Mega Sceptile
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- I'm on the internet. Duh.
@PoptartProdigy
Honestly, I don't really understand what our options are. Or rather, what they mean. If we turn into a shade, does that mean we get to go into the afterlife? Is it possible to train KI or other things as a shade? Or are we an immaterial ghost, floating in space? What kind of player agency would we be left with?
On another note, you have repeatedly said the player base had the chance to uncover things that would have revealed the depth of plot we were dealing with. Mostly avoided do to treating the enemy of the campaign like the enemy of the campaign, in character. The character that evolved over the course of the story trusted the adults in her life. We distrusted only specific people who proved they were untrustworthy. We, as a player base, believed the things that our character was told were true.
Apparently we should have been more social with the enemy, in order to get the chance to not get taken of guard. Apparently we shouldn't have trusted many of the adults in this conspiracy, who were already compromised either before the quest began or behind the scenes. And apparently we screwed up the planning of this engagement by misunderstanding what the adults to us the plan was.
-After this point, I rambled on for a while. Mostly trying to figure out what the player base actually screwed up with, and how we could have potentially know what to do right.-
I never realized that we were avoiding social engagements with the enemy. When ever I voted along those lines, it was because I wanted to know more about characters you had introduced, about the setting that you had created. I wasn't voting for avoiding spying, I was voting on doing research to find out the limits of our foes and how to counter them. This was the wrong tactic. Our enemy was a sorceress of unparalleled ability.
We discovered this as players when the sorcerers murders were revealed, and promptly hidden. It was improbable for a normal sorcerer to successful do that. We assumed that she succeeded with the boundaries of sorcery as we understood them, and didn't start using out of character knowledge to guide votes.
The compromised adults thing took me, personally, off guard I didn't realize that was possible at all. From what poptart was saying earlier, she was erasing anything that wasn't thoughts about obeying her. Which either was enough on it's own, or allowed her to bypass most of the natural and will based resistence towards mind control.
Mindwipe enhanced mindcontrol makes sense, and if I was playing a as someone with magic, I certainly would have synergized those powers like that. I don't understand how we could have vetted people. She had years to do this, years to hide it, and had basically everything ready to go at a moment's notice. We should have had sorcerers vetting anybody who was important.
Would have vetting people triggered warnings that we were rooting out the mindcontrol? Could we have removed it without letting her know? And assuming not, would the people under mindcontrol be willing to get left behind or disabled during the confrontation, or have it removed during the surprise assault?
Honestly, I don't really understand what our options are. Or rather, what they mean. If we turn into a shade, does that mean we get to go into the afterlife? Is it possible to train KI or other things as a shade? Or are we an immaterial ghost, floating in space? What kind of player agency would we be left with?
On another note, you have repeatedly said the player base had the chance to uncover things that would have revealed the depth of plot we were dealing with. Mostly avoided do to treating the enemy of the campaign like the enemy of the campaign, in character. The character that evolved over the course of the story trusted the adults in her life. We distrusted only specific people who proved they were untrustworthy. We, as a player base, believed the things that our character was told were true.
Apparently we should have been more social with the enemy, in order to get the chance to not get taken of guard. Apparently we shouldn't have trusted many of the adults in this conspiracy, who were already compromised either before the quest began or behind the scenes. And apparently we screwed up the planning of this engagement by misunderstanding what the adults to us the plan was.
-After this point, I rambled on for a while. Mostly trying to figure out what the player base actually screwed up with, and how we could have potentially know what to do right.-
I never realized that we were avoiding social engagements with the enemy. When ever I voted along those lines, it was because I wanted to know more about characters you had introduced, about the setting that you had created. I wasn't voting for avoiding spying, I was voting on doing research to find out the limits of our foes and how to counter them. This was the wrong tactic. Our enemy was a sorceress of unparalleled ability.
We discovered this as players when the sorcerers murders were revealed, and promptly hidden. It was improbable for a normal sorcerer to successful do that. We assumed that she succeeded with the boundaries of sorcery as we understood them, and didn't start using out of character knowledge to guide votes.
The compromised adults thing took me, personally, off guard I didn't realize that was possible at all. From what poptart was saying earlier, she was erasing anything that wasn't thoughts about obeying her. Which either was enough on it's own, or allowed her to bypass most of the natural and will based resistence towards mind control.
Mindwipe enhanced mindcontrol makes sense, and if I was playing a as someone with magic, I certainly would have synergized those powers like that. I don't understand how we could have vetted people. She had years to do this, years to hide it, and had basically everything ready to go at a moment's notice. We should have had sorcerers vetting anybody who was important.
Would have vetting people triggered warnings that we were rooting out the mindcontrol? Could we have removed it without letting her know? And assuming not, would the people under mindcontrol be willing to get left behind or disabled during the confrontation, or have it removed during the surprise assault?
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- Peterborough, NH, USA
I had the weirdest thought. Kakara, after going to space, decided to fight fire with fire, and gains access to a superior form of brainwashing, one that was highly contagious and, other than total loyalty to the progenitor, left the personalities of those affected almost untouched. I am referring to KND Operation Zero Senior-citizombification, which comes with the bonus of a massive durability boost, with strikes that would ordinarily knock out the infected barely slowing them. I had this image in my head of Kakara having grabbed Dandeer and saying "You know, even considering how much experience you have doing this, I'm impressed at the fight you're putting up." I know it's completely out of character, especially since the creator of that series made it fairly explicit that the original selves of the infected were still in there, and were relegated to short-term memory loss in terms of resistance, but I felt the need to put it out there.
Another thought I had was for Poptart to simply put up a timer for when people would start committing suicide under Dandeer's rule with the new Turn votes.
Say, Poptart, does prep-time for the Shade thing provide any benefits, or is it essentially instant?
Another thought I had was for Poptart to simply put up a timer for when people would start committing suicide under Dandeer's rule with the new Turn votes.
Say, Poptart, does prep-time for the Shade thing provide any benefits, or is it essentially instant?
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NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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Here's a plan, the Senzu's lay low and train with Maya and the Misfits until the invasion then they grab a ship and join us in space.
We then teach them to go supersaiyan while they're off world and people can't sense them.
deadcrystal
Slaaneshi Cultist
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- The Warp
Not a dude, first off.
Second I said that I believe poptart wouldn't make it so rape magically solves all problems with no negative consequences. That would 100% make them a rape apologist, but because I don't think they are, they won't do that.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
Honestly the future of the species is on the line, politics can be scraped off the wall into a bucket for all we should care.
The Senzu have the only ship, one problem there are what 3-4 active SS who will shoot it down, even if it worked properly.
+ I doubt the Senzu will have any idea how to contact us and vice versa.