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I'm sorry, but organising this shinding should not have placed him above suspicion.

Dandelor knew that she's a specialist in mental magic she doesn't need to specifically mind control people a person to screw with them and that Yammar out of all the people has interacted with her most.

As for not enough time or power he had enough of both to make a work around for Dandeer's super spell in less than 5 minutes I find the idea of him not having time to give the person organising this entire nonsense a look.

On phone hence dandelion.
FTFY and very much agreed.
 
I'm sorry, but organising this shindig should not have placed him above suspicion.

Dandelion knew that she's a specialist in mental magic she doesn't need to specifically mind control people a person to screw with them and that yammar out of all the people has interacted with her most.

As for not enough time or power had had enough of both to make a work around for Dandeer's super spell in less than 5 minutes I find the idea of him not having time to give the person organising this entire nonsense a look.

On phone hence dandelion.
I'm assuming Dandelor was also mind controlled to job. It would make sense, given that she let him go free.
 
There was a chance for that vote, but we had already been assured that about every other seers in the world had already looked into it.
ah there was good then that is good
Note that at this point we did know that Dandeer was capable of Sealing away information so that Seers couldn't view it, though.
I'm sorry, but organising this shindig should not have placed him above suspicion.

Dandelion knew that she's a specialist in mental magic she doesn't need to specifically mind control people a person to screw with them and that yammar out of all the people has interacted with her most.
Yammar was a part of the conspiracy and did not tell Berra and Dandeer about it, and Dandelor did not know of Dandeer's full mind control capabilities. He probably assumed that if Dandeer had subtly messed with Yammar's mind, Yammar wouldn't be helping the Senzus out.
 
Regardless of ifs maybes and should'ves, operational security should have been a full mental check on all members involved. The fact that it fell to us to fail to suggest that means that no one there could plan. I could almost excuse it, if it weren't for the fact that EVERY ASPECT OF SAIYAN LIFE REVOLVES AROUND KEEPING A SECRET. Seriously, that should've been old hat.
 
Since nobody seems to be bringing it up, I'd like to point out that going into space means we can go hang out/train with Best Living Ancestors 17 and 18.

(That said, I don't have any salt over having lost the fight but still think we should try for SSJ2 and even consider murder as a less-bad alternative to planetary mind rape)
 
Since nobody seems to be bringing it up, I'd like to point out that going into space means we can go hang out/train with Best Living Ancestors 17 and 18.

(That said, I don't have any salt over having lost the fight but still think we should try for SSJ2 and even consider murder as a less-bad alternative to planetary mind rape)
Meeting up with the androids was mentioned. Don't try for SSJ2, this starts the Bad End.
 
Yammar was a part of the conspiracy and did not tell Berra and Dandeer about it, and Dandelor did not know of Dandeer's full mind control capabilities. He probably assumed that if Dandeer had subtly messed with Yammar's mind, Yammar wouldn't be helping the Senzus out.
So what he's supposed to be a professional paranoiac and knows very very very painfully well that she's the greatest user of mental manipulation the exiles have ever produced. He doesn't need to know that she can mind control people to go "you've spent significant time in her presence, you could compromised, you will sit your mass murdering ass down and I will look over your mind, if I find even the slightest issues I am going to reach deep into your head and I am going to find out why I have found a problem!"

Her capabilities should have made him instantly suspicious of everyone in this entire conspiracy if he's as paranoid as he supposedly is, it doesn't take a conspiracy theorist to go "maybe she's sent a sleeper agent for *insert reason here*. I will check everybody I don't care if this delays us a year, starting with the person who interacts with her the most and is in charge of this entire shit show." Of course we now know why she didn't ask she's a fucking savant, an idiot in every category that isn't her speciality, which in this case is magic and being a sadistic bitch.
 
I know SS2 is risky, but the enemy is an unknown, and he is not omniscient. Dandeer is the gaurenteed end of all of what our race is if we do not act now.
 
The current situation is already a Bad End.

And to be honest it's a worse Bad End than the Enemy.

The Enemy would just kill everyone, not mind rape the planet into meat puppets.
I know SS2 is risky, but the enemy is an unknown, and he is not omniscient. Dandeer is gaurenteed end of all of our race if we do not act now.

Alright, everyone chill it. This isn't the Bad End, Dandeer won't be ending our race immediately, and the mind puppet thing can be walked back if we run down snake way or whatever the fuck we'll be doing as a shade. SSJ2 right now is a bad end, let's not do it.
 
Alright, everyone chill it. This isn't the Bad End, Dandeer won't be ending our race immediately, and the mind puppet thing can be walked back if we run down snake way or whatever the fuck we'll be doing as a shade. SSJ2 right now is a bad end, let's not do it.
If everyone decides not to now then very well. But we will become stronger, and there is only one way for us to do so.
 
Alright, everyone chill it. This isn't the Bad End, Dandeer won't be ending our race immediately, and the mind puppet thing can be walked back if we run down snake way or whatever the fuck we'll be doing as a shade. SSJ2 right now is a bad end, let's not do it.
Basically SS2 is the end of everything.

This is just a bit of trauma for the entire species, either they'll learn to love psycitrists, or they can put their fucking money, where their fucking mouths are and "get over it."

If everyone decides not to now then very well. But we will become stronger, and there is only one way for us to do so.
Oh please there's plenty of other ways.

I.e. Lets find Hit, learn Time stop and then THE WORLD our way to victory.

And that's one of the more absurd ones, compared to just finding the namekians, finding the dragon ballz and then wishing dandeer into a fruit basket.
 
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Basically SS2 is the end of everything.

This is just a bit of trauma for the entire species, either they'll learn to love psycitrists, or they can put their fucking money, where their fucking mouths are and "get over it."


Oh please there's plenty of other ways.

I.e. Lets find Hit, learn Time stop and then THE WORLD our way to victory.

And that's one of the more absurd ones, compared to just finding the namekians, finding the dragon ballz and then wishing dandeer into a fruit basket.
...I meant within a realistic timeframe.
 
Can we just move on? Have a few more updates, see who's following the quest, and go from there?
[I'll follow, but keep lurking as I have been for months]
Let's see where we lie after a while.

And I wonder what our "civilian identity" will be doing if we get sealed. It is after all publicly known as a ki user...
And what about Dad's political ambitions? Are those all quite over, or does Dandeer not give enough of a shit to interfere there?
 
...I meant within a realistic timeframe.
We learned precognition (apparently) within this fight, I get the feeling without our "sensei" holding us back we'll be able to quite easily grow that particular advantage, and we can quite easily master most ki based abilities.

We have hundreds of abilities we could potentially master, and we have years to do it.

We waited years to free Jaffur while he was trapped, we can wait years again while he is asleep.
 
-and to think that people, including some of the offenders right now, have the audacity to complain when I get cranky that things go wrong because I was ignored.

This outcome was the entirely reasonable and avoidable culmination of player choices. It is time to thank the GM for taking all the hate on themselves by asking that we not go into a detailed breakdown of the specific failings of the people who are truly and solely responsible for the current state of affairs: the players who made poor choices.
 
I mean just curious what would of happened if we had got the chance to vote and chose to kill Dandeer as a Hell mary plan to break the mind control since Yammer was given the specific order to protect her
 
Basically Kakara defended Dandeer even if it directly meant the enslavement of everyone she knows and loves and many of their likely deaths.
 
Cumulative violations of Rules 2, 3, and 4 across the thread
-and to think that people, including some of the offenders right now, have the audacity to complain when I get cranky that things go wrong because I was ignored.

This outcome was the entirely reasonable and avoidable culmination of player choices. It is time to thank the GM for taking all the hate on themselves by asking that we not go into a detailed breakdown of the specific failings of the people who are truly and solely responsible for the current state of affairs: the players who made poor choices.
Mind not insulting everyone who doesn't agree with you? Because I really want to hit the Ignore button by this point.
Edit: At any rate, I'm done. See you all after school tomorrow.
 
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