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Dragon Ball: After the End

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Non-Canon Omake: Needs of the Many
  • Apocrypha
    • Lailoken said:
    There is a canon way to heal distant people enough to get them back on their bisected torso fairly stealthily.
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    chryssalideater said:
    Also thanks for the moral support Horatio, I appreciate it.
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    Here, have some practical support.

    Needs of the Many​
    As the Sorcerors talked about how to contain Dazarel, Kakara turned her focus inwards, toward the chorus of blazingexplodingragingweepingquiethopefulstill energies that were swirling through her system. The harmony was interesting, but before she could really analyze it, there was something else she'd had to put off.
    Many of her donors had been injured. Some gravely. It was plain from their ki signatures, even mixed in with those of the planets and the sun. And she could heal them.
    Actually doing it was an education. The most difficult part of standard ki healing - getting the target's system to integrate the charge - was near-trivialized by the nature of the genki dama, but not knocking the patients unconscious with overcharge presented a different issue. Ki healing was almost never practiced on those with a power level less than 10, and a significant fraction of her injured donors were animals from off the bottom of the scale.
    Nevertheless, she managed somehow. It was very interesting to do, but quite a relief to be done with it.
     
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  • Apocrypha
    • If anyone wants to poke some holes into this plan before I @ Poptart to have it boosted when the vote is opened as a write in it'd be greatly appreciated. If no one pokes any holes into the plan in the next ten minutes I'll @ Poptart to make it official.

    Plan:
    [ ] Telepathically shout at Yammar to block all incoming messages or possible Seer precog.
    -[ ] IT to Dandeer, and use her as a shield/flail.
    -[ ] While Yammar is at a disadvantage, Heal Beam your comrades. Give Jaffur, who Yammar implied only lost due to numbers, priority.
     
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    HoratioVonBecker said:
    Here, have some practical support.

    Needs of the Many​
    As the Sorcerors talked about how to contain Dazarel, Kakara turned her focus inwards, toward the chorus of blazingexplodingragingweepingquiethopefulstill energies that were swirling through her system. The harmony was interesting, but before she could really analyze it, there was something else she'd had to put off.
    Many of her donors had been injured. Some gravely. It was plain from their ki signatures, even mixed in with those of the planets and the sun. And she could heal them.
    Actually doing it was an education. The most difficult part of standard ki healing - getting the target's system to integrate the charge - was near-trivialized by the nature of the genki dama, but not knocking the patients unconscious with overcharge presented a different issue. Ki healing was almost never practiced on those with a power level less than ten, and a significant fraction of her injured donors were animals.
    Nevertheless, and to her relief, she managed somehow.
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    Oh, right, Dazzy's chibification instead of sealing. Make that number fiv- no, 24 more minutes. I made a promise.
     
    Sir LagsAlot said:
    Tells me to write my own plan and then proceeds to write out the bloody plan I asked for assistance in writing anyways.
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    I-it's not like I wanted to help you or anything!

    [ ] Telepathically shout at Yammar to block all incoming messages or possible Seer precog.
    -[ ] IT to Dandeer, and use her as a shield/flail.
    -[ ] While Yammar is at a disadvantage, Heal Beam your comrades. Give Jaffur, who Yammar implied only lost due to numbers, priority.

    For @Lailoken's sake, I'm going to say we keep it at this level of simplicity.
     
    Alright time is up and no body tried to poke any holes in it so lets do this.

    PoptartProdigy could you include this write in plan:

    [ ] Telepathically shout at Yammar to block all incoming messages or possible Seer precog.
    -[ ] IT to Dandeer, and use her as a shield/flail.
    -[ ] While Yammar is at a disadvantage, Heal Beam your comrades. Give Jaffur, who Yammar implied only lost due to numbers, priority.

    In the moratorium unlock?
     
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    chryssalideater said:
    I-it's not like I wanted to help you or anything!

    [ ] Telepathically shout at Yammar to block all incoming messages or possible Seer precog.
    -[ ] IT to Dandeer, and use her as a shield/flail.
    -[ ] While Yammar is at a disadvantage, Heal Beam your comrades. Give Jaffur, who Yammar implied only lost due to numbers, priority.

    For @Lailoken's sake, I'm going to say we keep it at this level of simplicity.
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    ...Do I need to add Tsundere voter magnet to my title on top of my already present Yandere dice magnetism?
    Lailoken said:
    Something bad could still happen...
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    There is always a greater then non-zero chance of something bad happening. Usually I just hope it ends up being funny.
    ilbgar123 said:
    When is that not true?
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    When the heat death of the universe happens.
     
    Sir LagsAlot said:
    When the heat death of the universe happens.
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    I was going to say the Quest, but fair enough.
    18scsc said:
    Only other alternate win condition is going Spirit Sayain, but that would likely take more time than healing Jaffur or Apra. It thus seems like the riskier option.
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    Again, you miss the 'break his mind control by talking' option. I'm not sure it's the right option, but it's certainly an option.
    chryssalideater said:
    Unfortunately, Poptart's keyboard just started acting up, so we could be waiting a while for an answer.
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    Wait. How did you find that out?
     
    I think we should just try to focus on getting a Dandeer-flail first and not specify what strategy we're going to use to beat Yammar afterwards (whether that's trying to heal Apra/Jaffur in the middle of the fight or running the crap away with one of them). I just don't think there's any advantage to making that decision now rather than later.
     
    Also, our main problem right now really is that Yammar might be getting info from Seers as well as just being plain better than us. Indeed, while most of the fight can be explain as him just being better, the part about Yammar closing his eyes right before a Solar Flare really suggest that he is getting help from somewhere. There's also the fact that while we don't know his Style, it's most likely Vegeta style, and a Vegeta stylist should not be better at us in single combat unless he's got a higher Dueling skill (unlikely) or is getting some other advantage.

    I think the danger and risk of Yammar having Seer support is too high to ignore. As long as he has Seer support, going after Dandeer will be essentially useless, as he'll be able to attack us when we try to grab her and either knock us out or just damage us. The same goes for any other tricky plan, which would otherwise be our best option, as his deceit should be pretty low right now.

    And, well, I doubt a single shout at him is going to prevent him from getting Seer support. What would be able to do so, though, would be every single Vegetan Saiyan screaming at him at the same time.

    And, well, we can get that happening by informing everybody that we're trying to stop the sealing, Yammar and Berra are being mind-controlled by Dandeer and that they all need to scream at Yammar. We just need to fight defensively and focus on not being knocked out rather than going for Yammar's throat.

    If he's not getting Seer help, this plan might not be that good, but then we can likely hold out against him by fighting defensively, and regardless, everybody suddenly screaming at him will distract him briefly and give us a window to snatch Dandeer. However, the risk of Yammar having Seer support is high enough that I really don't want to assume he hasn't got it.

    So, @PoptartProdigy, would you mind putting this write-in in too?

    [] Plan Screaming Saiyans
    -[] Take another bean, get back up, and fight.
    --[] Keep your distance and fight defensively. Your goal isn't to knock out Yammar, but to prevent him from doing the same to you as well as healing his allies.
    -[] Broadcast to every single Saiyan on Garenhuld that you're trying to break the Sealing, Dandeer is mind-controlling Yammar and Berra and that they need to scream at Yammar right now.

    Every single Saiyan that hears this might not believe us, but that's not really necessary either, we just need enough that Yammar would be unable to communicate with anyone.

    Even if he hasn't got Seer support, informing everybody about what's going on could be an advantage, as it'll make getting other kinds of help (getting multiforms in to rescue our allies, getting our own Seer support or getting Gokun sorcerers) easier later. If people knew what were going on, we'd have the entire Saiyan population on our side, and I'd like to take advantage of that.
     
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    Gore17 said:
    They can't cast broadcast into the Hall.
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    ..Well, crapbaskets.

    Something like this, maybe?

    [] Plan Screaming Saiyans in the Hall
    -[] Take another bean, get back up, and fight.
    --[] Keep your distance and fight defensively. Your goal isn't to knock out Yammar, but to prevent him from doing the same to you as well as healing his allies.
    -[] Broadcast to every single Saiyan on Garenhuld that you're trying to break the Sealing, Dandeer is mind-controlling Yammar and Berra and that they need to go to the hall and scream at Yammar right now. You also need all sorcerers to get here and break the spell!

    Of course, if we need people to get into the hall before they start screaming, that means it'll take a lot longer, but in that case we could call for sorcerers at the same time.

    Still nowhere as good, but I don't really see any other way to deal with Yammar getting Seer support, which would make it impossible for any plan that involves grabbing Dandeer to succeed.

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    At the very least, fighting defensively should give us time to figure out whether Yammar is getting help from the Seers.
     
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    Remember to eat your beans, kids!

    [ ] Plan Heal Beam
    [ ] Eat a Senzu bean
    -[ ] Telepathically shout at Yammar to block all incoming messages or possible Seer precog.
    -[ ] IT to Dandeer from within the rubble, and use her as a shield/flail.
    -[ ] While Yammar is at a disadvantage, Heal Beam your comrades. Give Jaffur, who Yammar implied only lost due to numbers, priority.

    [ ] Plan Heal Beans
    [ ] Eat a Senzu bean
    -[ ] Telepathically shout at Yammar to block all incoming messages or possible Seer precog.
    -[ ] IT to Dandeer from within the rubble, and use her as a shield/flail.
    -[ ] While Yammar is at a disadvantage, Senzu Bean your comrades. Give Jaffur, who Yammar implied only lost due to numbers, priority.
     
    I will reiterate. We have never used that technique before, as Kakara says in the prologue and lending energy would not only make us weaker and thus more likely to be intercepted by Yammar but since we haven't trained it, we wouldn't restore those we healed to full health either.
     
    Bakkasama said:
    I will reiterate. We have never used that technique before, as Kakara says in the prologue and lending energy would not only make us weaker and thus more likely to be intercepted by Yammar but since we haven't trained it, we wouldn't restore those we healed to full health either.
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    I'm personally voting for the beans version for exactly that reason. Might change it to be using TK though - we know how to use Telekinesis, and putting a bean into someone's mouth, crushing it to paste, and throwing it down their throat shouldn't be that hard.
     
    Deathbybunnies said:
    I'm personally voting for the beans version for exactly that reason. Might change it to be using TK though - we know how to use Telekinesis, and putting a bean into someone's mouth, crushing it to paste, and throwing it down their throat shouldn't be that hard.
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    I think you're overestimating Kakara's fine control and underestimating how hard it is to force something down someones throat.
     
    Gore17 said:
    I think you're overestimating Kakara's fine control and underestimating how hard it is to force something down someones throat.
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    Maybe? It just doesn't seem to require particularly fine control, if their mouth is already open. And frankly I figure we can brute-force it down their throat with TK, seeing how we're at FPSSJ and they're unconscious. It might not be particularly comfortable, but it should work.

    It's also a Ki Talent, and we get big bonuses for those.
     
    I'm not sure either is a good option.

    If Vegeta could incapacitate Kakara while she was giving Jaffur a bean, so can Yammar.

    And, well, as Bakkasama said, using our own energy to heal might not be that good of an idea either. Of course, in this case, we could take Senzu beans ourselves to restore the spent energy, so that might be an option.
    Deathbybunnies said:
    Maybe? It just doesn't seem to require particularly fine control, if their mouth is already open. And frankly I figure we can brute-force it down their throat with TK, seeing how we're at FPSSJ and they're unconscious. It might not be particularly comfortable, but it should work.
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    Problem is though, while we're mentally focusing on doing that, Yammar can shoot another hole through us.

    I think it'd be a better idea just to focus on getting Dandeer first, and then figuring out what to do afterwards later. Maybe it'd even be possible to use her as leverage to beat Yammar in melee (after all, this trick was good enough to hold our own against Berra, who by all rights should be a better melee fighter than Yammar even if he was hampered by Oozaru form).

    Main problem would really be if Seer support ends up making Yammar predict going after Dandeer in which case we're fucked, but there really are no good options if that's the case either way.
     
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