-because this quest doesn't have a hell of a lot of parts moving behind the scenes.
Dragon Ball: After the End
-because this quest doesn't have a hell of a lot of parts moving behind the scenes.
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- [REDACTED]
Well, the idea is that Yammar can't reach us. IT no-sells the fact that he's twice to three times as fast as us.
Slightly modified proposal. Making an effort to be more clear.
[ ] Plan: Shell Game
-[ ] Take another bean. Suppress Ki levels. IT to Dandeer before Yammar realizes you're up again. IT with Dandeer to the opposite side of the earth. IT around the world in a random pattern.
-- [ ] IF: Yammar has not caught up to us after an IT or two, AND we sense him trying to chase us THEN: multiform into 3. All 3 continue suppression of KI levels.
-- [ ] Kakra 1 continues to IT around the planet while in possession of Dandeer. Kakra 2 ITs to Jaffur. Kakra 3 ITs to Apra. Kakra 2 and 3 grab Jaffur and Apra and IT away.
-- [ ] Kakra 1 continues to IT around while in possession of Dandeer. Kakra 2 and 3 feed Jaffur and Apra our remaining two Senzu beans.
Or some variation thereof. Even assuming Yammar can get close enough to hurt any one Kakra before they IT away, there is practically no chance he'll get to all 3 before they manage to feed either Apra or Jaffur a Senzu Bean (or both). The Sealing (chapter title "Prelude") decisively demonstrates that IT spam allows weaker Super Sayains, and indeed even non-Super Sayain sayains the ability to effectively play keep away from full power Super Sayians. The only reason Berra ever managed to catch up with us during the Sealing (while we were vip-ing around with Jaffur) was because: A) we stopped to talk to Raditz and B) Jaffur charged him like a moron rather than staying put and letting Kakra IT them both away again.
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- Location
- Peterborough, NH, USA
Clones can't get more than 100 km from each other.
Assuming we aren't doomed, we are training the crap out of Dueling or our Style or something, because if something like this happens again, I'd like to not have to depend on Kakara having to figure out a nutty Jojo-style tactic just to pull a win out of a situation like this.
Assuming we aren't doomed, we are training the crap out of Dueling or our Style or something, because if something like this happens again, I'd like to not have to depend on Kakara having to figure out a nutty Jojo-style tactic just to pull a win out of a situation like this.
Kakara offered to do it for Jaffur during the tutorial. She has a natural talent for both healing and ki manipulation. Getting somebody, or even multiple somebodies, to groggily take a bean they know they have for exactly this reason really shouldn't be difficult. Hiding it from somebody with magically crap deception shouldn't be difficult.
Ask him about the Sorcerors. Hammer at the cognitive dissonance. Of course, if we win he might just kill Dandeer immediately...
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- He/Him
But the JoJo tactics make it fun!
Don't overreact. If she were behaving optimally this would already be over at least three times by now. Any effort is better devoted towards making the thread make better decisions.
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Not when we have no hope of winning normally and we've continued to have no hope of winning normally for the past six updates. It's fun when it's to turn a stalemate into an advantageous situation, but when it's pulling out of a fire, only to get dumped right back in, it gets more exhausting than fun.
Sir LagsAlot
Yandere Dice Magnet
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- In the fridge
Combo this with IT over to Dandeer from the rubble where Yammar can't see or react to it and use her as a flail we have a very good chance of succeeding.
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
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- Midwest, USA
"For a man who seems to regret the fate of House Talt you sure seem determined to walk that path again. Is this all you are, Yammar Vegeta? A butcher? I thought you were a man of faith? Yet now you take orders from the one you saw excommunicated from the fellowship?"
Etc. etc., something like that.
They are fun, but I'd prefer they weren't the only thing keeping us from losing.
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- Here and there
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- He/Him
Given that any conversation will have to end with Yammar admitting he's wrong, I don't see that working out.
Also, can we use that heal beam? Because the Senzu's probably have Senzu's on them, and that would solve a lot of problems.
EDIT: Beam, not bean. that's gonna get confusing quick.
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WorthyAlchemist?
100% certifiably without-a-doubt mediocre
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- That place...yeah that one
Umm... okay so you posit that Balor has been teamed up with Dandeer most of our life and that he's been hiding the fact that we can apparently project visions to other people. Am I getting this right?
Sir LagsAlot
Yandere Dice Magnet
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- In the fridge
Wait would Jaffur and grandma even have any Senzu beans on them? Yammar very well could have looted them from their bodies I mean the healing beam is still a better option but we might still have to TK beans over for them to eat when they regain consciousness.
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- He/Him
Again, the answers probably somewhere in the middle; long term subconscious mind control to achieve a few basic things, with little supervision from Dandeer directly.
True. I suggested that due to being unsure how much the heal beam did, but given it got freeza up for another attack, I suppose skipping the senzu beans might work.
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
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- Midwest, USA
Do you mean in the sense that you think Yammar's base personality is incapable of admitting mistakes in general? Or that you think he doesn't regret, in any way, shape, or form, what happened to House Talt, or at least how it happened?
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He's Vegetan, so the former.
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- [REDACTED]
Hmm. Yes. This is a problem, but even then 100km is a good amount of distance even for a SS to cover. Can the Kakra's IT in unison? Because 3 Kakras could shuffle their position within a circle with a radius of 100km with each IT, with the circle itself moving randomly anywhere in the planet with each IT. Pair that with Ki suppression and there's practically zero chance Yammar could catch one, much less all 3.
EDIT: Moreover 3 Kakra's allows us to make 3 different Ki suppression rolls against Yammar's Ki sensing.
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- Here and there
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- He/Him
Ok, quick thread check: Does anyone disagree that we're gonna need to heal Jaffur and or Apra to win this?
Also, can we drop the discussion on whether or not Carrack is mind controlled? Not like it matters right now.
Also, can we drop the discussion on whether or not Carrack is mind controlled? Not like it matters right now.
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
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- Midwest, USA
...Memetic jokes aside, and while I don't have direct links available, I'm pretty sure we've seen on-screen evidence of Yammar displaying regret over the House Talt affair (which would in turn heavily imply recognition he did something wrong), and I'm pretty sure that House Vegeta's members are, in fact, capable of admitting they are not 100% right 100% of the time. I can't see a functional society where 50% of your population, or even 50% of your ruling members, literally refuse to admit being wrong ever about anything.
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Only other alternate win condition is going Spirit Sayain, but that would likely take more time than healing Jaffur or Apra. It thus seems like the riskier option.
What is this "no hope" nonsense? I have personally offered everybody victory on a silver platter at least three times now. We're not in this situation because the game is rigged; we're in this situation because the players keep voting for the wrong choices.
I know we don't see eye-to-eye philosophically, but I want to point out that you just made a potentially very powerful observation. By all indications Yammar is a devout man. If there is anything that can overcome mind control, religious conviction must be amongst it.
Nothing so developed. I'm only pointing out that the Balors are a notoriously rebellious house who ideologically disagree with both the current governmental situation and the church. There are a lot of ways in which that could interact with other rebels.
Kakara had five on-hand. Presumably at least Apra (andaYammar) and probably Jaffur have a similar allotment. More importantly, this would be something Kakara would know.
I'm still not even convinced that it went down the way it is publicly believed to have had.
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Sorta going with chrys here. I fully believe he regrets it, and privately views it as mistake.
I also fully believe he's gone full denial over that. Both because being repeatedly accused over it, and to uphold appearances, as one of the reasons he did it was a massive warning. If he backs down and shows regret, that weakens the message, which means others might try, which means the whole thing was pointless, and I don't think he can accept that.
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- [REDACTED]
Not going Spirit Sayain before this entire thing kicked off was definitely a mistake. Since then, however, we've gotten tremendously unlucky with rolls. It's a fairly bold assertion to assume that alternate plans (such as trying to take out Vegata instead of healing Jaffur or aiding Apra in her fight with Yammar) would certainly have gone better, even at best that would just have exposed us to a more favorable risk profile and even that is not certain.
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Lailoken? Please, be quiet.
The Balors have not, to my knowledge, ever actually rebelled. Tried that shit with the capsules, yes, but that was them angling for economic and political power, rather then an actual rebellion.
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