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Ohh..

I got an idea.

[ ] Plan Whack-A-Mole
-[ ] Take another bean and IT to Dandeer before Yammar realizes you're up again. IT away. Continue to IT in random pattern.
--[ ] Multiform. Kakara 1 continues to IT around while holding Dandeer. Kakara 2 ITs back to the battlefield and feeds Jaffur a Senzu bean.

Due to the mind control Yammar is basically forced to defend Dandeer right? He'll have no choice but to come after us if we flee while in possession of Dandeer's body.
Multiform splits our PL and our speed evenly. We can't use it mid-fight. He'd just immediately gank the first body with his overwhelming PL advantage and then chase down the other at twive the speed.

Like, this isn't a small bonus, he'd be rolling at roughly +100 from memory?
 
Uh, actually I was planning to do that THEN start doing as I suggested.

Like, we grab her as you describe, THEN we teleport to the South Pole or whatever location on the planet is literally as far away from the Hall as possible, THEN we start charging Spirit Saiyan, at least enough to get our power level up to, oh, 3-4 billion if that can be done faster than the full 600-billion thwack. THEN we go after Yammar again.

Alternatively, we grab Dandeer as you describe, and then start negotiating with Yammar.

Sorry if there was confusion there.
I mean your plan sounds plausible but only if we lower our power level to the point where he won't instantly detect it with a quick scan.
 
Tempting, but high risk of Yammar being able to cope and neutralize our actions if we're operating at a power level of 'only' 562.5 million for each multiform clone. Remember, his single greatest feat in battle was tearing apart a veritable horde of low-end super-saiyans, with only his ten year old son to provide backup. And while I'm sure Little Vegeta was strong, he wasn't Jaffur strong.

That's why we don't multiform until after we have escaped with Dandeer's body. At which point being 1/2 as slow as Yammar doesn't matter much because we're continually teleporting. Main failure modes are 1) Yammar waits to pursue us until after he murders all our allies, 2) Yammar also has multiform and IT.
 
Like, we grab her as you describe, THEN we teleport to the South Pole or whatever location on the planet is literally as far away from the Hall as possible,
Let's go to the far side of the Sun, please. We can sense it - the charging phase for the Spirit Saiyan proved that - so I see no reason we should hide somewhere so obvious as on-planet.
Then we can charge up again.
 
Ok this feels like a winner. Suggestion: TP to the other side of the planet like Jester said, while hiding a multi form in the rubble with ki-manipulation.

Reform bodies when done with the beans and start charging spirit saiyan.
Our multiform clones can't go more than a hundred kilometers apart from one another.

Multiform splits our PL and our speed evenly. We can't use it mid-fight. He'd just immediately gank the first body with his overwhelming PL advantage and then chase down the other at twive the speed.

Like, this isn't a small bonus, he'd be rolling at roughly +100 from memory?
Agreed.

I mean your plan sounds plausible but only if we lower our power level to the point where he won't instantly detect it with a quick scan.
Um... could you expand on that?

Also, ANYONE CONSIDERING SPIRIT SAIYAN

Please be advised that we may run into problems trying to use it from inside the Hall. Because it relies on us being able to communicate, and the Hall wards block outgoing signals and communication of all kinds. Since the fight has probably caused nearly all saiyans occupying the Hall to run away screaming except for the Senzus... well, you see the problem.

Let's go to the far side of the Sun, please. We can sense it - the charging phase for the Spirit Saiyan proved that - so I see no reason we should hide somewhere so obvious as on-planet.
Then we can charge up again.
@PoptartProdigy

...Um... COULD we instant-transmit to the opposite side of the Sun?

Could we instant-transmit to the opposite side of the Sun, while holding Dandeer, without Dandeer dying on us?

I'm a bit skeptical of this plan and am guessing that Kakara thinks it wouldn't work.
 
Kakara has a natural talent for healing, right? It's untrained, but anybody can donate ki from a distance in a flash, and she is a ki manipulation expert. Could she pump enough into somebody to wake them up enough to eat their own bean? Possibly without Yammar even noticing because he's focusing on her whipping Dandeer around?
 
Multiform splits our PL and our speed evenly. We can't use it mid-fight. He'd just immediately gank the first body with his overwhelming PL advantage and then chase down the other at twive the speed.

Like, this isn't a small bonus, he'd be rolling at roughly +100 from memory?

The idea is not to use multiform to fight. You are right, he could immediately destroy the first body in a fight, and chase down the second body if we did not have IT. However, we do have IT. The fact that he's twice as fast as us doesn't matter too much when we can fucking teleport. The goal is to draw Yammar away from Jaffur's body and then IT a clone to give Jaffur a Senzu Bean.
 
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Um... could you expand on that?

Also, ANYONE CONSIDERING SPIRIT SAIYAN

Please be advised that we may run into problems trying to use it from inside the Hall. Because it relies on us being able to communicate, and the Hall wards block outgoing signals and communication of all kinds. Since the fight has probably caused nearly all saiyans occupying the Hall to run away screaming except for the Senzus... well, you see the problem.
The north pole was really conspicuous when anyone with even a bit of a PL powered up there so the only way we could charge spirit saiyan there is if we lowered our power level severely. Over all I'd suggest going some where far more populated with relatively high power levels or even a few high power levels and scaling to match them to be less conspicuous.
 
The idea is not to use multiform to fight. You are right, he could immediately destroy the first body in a fight, and chase down the second body if we did not have IT. However, we do have IT. The fact that he's twice as fast as us doesn't matter too much when we can fucking teleport.
I think you have the right of it. Best chance for multi form is leveraging it in a way that doesn't rely on power levels, and TPing about is a good way as any.
 
Kakara has a natural talent for healing, right? It's untrained, but anybody can donate ki from a distance in a flash, and she is a ki manipulation expert. Could she pump enough into somebody to wake them up enough to eat their own bean? Possibly without Yammar even noticing because he's focusing on her whipping Dandeer around?
Is that more or less difficult than using TK to put a bean in their mouth, crush the bean, and throw the paste down their throat? Serious question. Note that TK is a Competent Ki Talent.

Like, I'm pretty sure she could manage that trivially if she weren't fighting Yammar off with Dandeer as a weapon, I'm just not sure how trivially.
 
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Is that more or less difficult than using TK to put a bean in their mouth, crush the bean, and throw the paste down their throat? Serious question. Note that TK is a Competent Ki Talent.

Like, I'm pretty sure she could manage that trivially if she weren't fighting Yammar off with Dandeer as a weapon, I'm just not sure how trivial.
That's why I'm hoping to try and talk to Yammar a bit and throw in some willpower checks well we do that since it offers such a good opportunity to get our allies back on their feet.
 
The idea is not to use multiform to fight. You are right, he could immediately destroy the first body in a fight, and chase down the second body if we did not have IT. However, we do have IT. The fact that he's twice as fast as us doesn't matter too much when we can fucking teleport. The goal is to draw Yammar away from Jaffur's body and then IT a clone to give Jaffur a Senzu Bean.
If we lose a clone, we lose the PL in that clone for a good long while - as in, for days at least. If we do this we're just handing the problem off to Jaffur, and that's assumimg it works perfectly.
 
I'm going to be blunt: I'm pushing multi form suggestions because I don't think we're going to succeed on any actions with Yammars undivided attention on us.

We don't need to fight here, we need to cheat, and multiform isn't our best option for that.
 
Depends on the donors. Charging inside the Hall might well be faster.
Only if there are at least a thousand or so saiyans still in the Hall after all the royals have been duking it out in here. Which... well, let's just say any saiyan OC I've written would have legged it by now.

The north pole was really conspicuous when anyone with even a bit of a PL powered up there so the only way we could charge spirit saiyan there is if we lowered our power level severely. Over all I'd suggest going some where far more populated with relatively high power levels or even a few high power levels and scaling to match them to be less conspicuous.
Uh... I don't think we can hide our power level or hide effectively at all while charging Spirit Saiyan, which involves sending out a beacon to the world calling "HERE I AM!"

If we lose a clone, we lose the PL in that clone for a good long while - as in, for days at least. If we do this we're just handing the problem off to Jaffur, and that's assumimg it works perfectly.
To be fair that is actually not such a bad idea. Jaffur beat down his father, he SHOULD be able to beat down his grandfather. Or tie him up long enough one-on-one to let us escape and come back as a Spirit Saiyan hopefully.

I'm going to be blunt: I'm pushing multi form suggestions because I don't think we're going to succeed on any actions with Yammars undivided attention on us.
Conversely, I don't think we're going to succeed on any actions taken while Yammar (a known master of fighting hordes of weaker super-saiyans) has a 2:1 power advantage on our clones...
 
Uh... I don't think we can hide our power level or hide effectively at all while charging Spirit Saiyan, which involves sending out a beacon to the world calling "HERE I AM!"
Good point so no matter how we try to hide it a scan will still reveal us which actually makes Becker's plan of hiding near the sun the most practical since Yammar will most likely take the time to scan the planet before he scans anything else.
 
Conversely, I don't think we're going to succeed on any actions taken while Yammar (a known master of fighting hordes of weaker super-saiyans) has a 2:1 power advantage on our clones...
Ok here's a thought: what if we told maya what was going on via telepathy and where the hall was? We could bail with Dandeer to charge the spirit Saiyan, while she snuck in to heal everyone with senzus.
 
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To be fair that is actually not such a bad idea. Jaffur beat down his father, he SHOULD be able to beat down his grandfather. Or tie him up long enough one-on-one to let us escape and come back as a Spirit Saiyan hopefully.

Or we can split in 3 and try and feed beans to both Jaffur and Apra. Or only split in 2 and give Apra a Senzu Bean while Jaffur is holding off Yamar. Again, the goal is to leverage multiform in such a way that power level differentials don't matter as much, if at all. Jaffur and Apra together can certainly take out Yammar.
 
Ok here's a thought: what if we told maya what was going on via TP and where the hall was? We could bail with Dandeer to charge the spirit Saiyan, while she snuck in to heal everyone with senzus.
This only works if we can take Yammar out of the picture, and if we can do that any plan will work. Also, Maya doesn't know what a senzu bean is and clearly isn't a saiyan, so even if she can physically enter the Hall (the wards may somehow stop her)... she'll probably be so confused and disoriented that she won't be able to help very effectively. It's a great idea but we needed to have let Maya further in on the Masquerade sooner for it to work well.

Or we can split in 3 and try and feed beans to both Jaffur and Apra. Or only split in 2 and give Apra a Senzu Bean while Jaffur is holding off Yamar. Again, the goal is to leverage multiform in such a way that power level differentials don't matter as much, if at all. Jaffur and Apra together can certainly take out Yammar.
Again, trying to defeat or outmaneuver Yammar with a greater number of individually less powerful super-saiyans is how House Talt died. I do not want to end up like House Talt.

Why do people keep trying to call in the Misfits? They're significantly weaker than the average Saiyan warrior, who are also completely irrelevant at these PLs!
If we could draw off all the super-saiyans, AND if Maya knew enough to actually help in the manner described, her sheer loyalty and the fact that nobody would see her participation coming, then this might actually be a good idea.

She'd basically be doing the kind of stuff Krillin usually gets up to- avoiding much stronger opponents and performing 'utility' actions on the battlefield. It might work. MIGHT.

But she just doesn't have enough information to have the context that would enable her to do this in a timely manner.
 
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