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It's like, either it's very important, OR it's our mind-controlled sensei trying to cripple us with psychic jamming. Either-or. Flip that coin. We're pretty anxious about it.
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Wouldn't yammar follow us if we tp'd out with Dandeer? That provide some the opportunities for shenanigans in the hall, regardless of who's doing it.
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House Talt did not have the opportunity to rope in Super Sayians that are just as, if not, more individually powerful and combat capable than Yammar given a second of slack. I am not trying to fight or stall Yammar with multiform!Kakra, that would indeed be suicide.
Alternatively, we know that his order is to protect Dandeer, and beyond that he appears pretty much normal. If she is permanently beyond protection he would presumably just be normal.
I'm not going to waste time trying to convince the thread to just kill the witch who so desperately needs killing, but is there a way to make him believe that she's dead, even for an instant?
I'm not going to waste time trying to convince the thread to just kill the witch who so desperately needs killing, but is there a way to make him believe that she's dead, even for an instant?
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I'd assume she would have some sort of contingency for that. Like sending Yammar going into a berserk murder spree if she dies.
Yet again, I like the character too, but stop presuming mind control.
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@PoptartProdigy : does Kakara even know any of the heads of houses that Apra and Yammar recruited? Could she telepathically contact one of them and tell them to get to the Hall and heal Jaffur after she draws off Yammar?
Yammar's build, based on his own in-game achievements, is almost CERTAINLY heavily optimized for crowd fighting and ruthlessly taking down opponents to even up the odds. Vegeta Style itself is optimized for crowd fighting, though it's also a ranged style and Yammar fights up close so Yammar may actually have a whole different style all his own... but I doubt it compromises crowd-fighting effectiveness given the Talt Rebellion.
Going multiform against Yammar is a huge gamble.
But I'm getting tired of pointing this out over and over, so if you want to win by attrition... maybe you can and I'll hope it works better than I expect?
I'm predicting that if we try this, Yammar will straight up murder one of our clones faster than we could possibly believe, then stop the other, also faster than we could possibly believe.
Yammar's build, based on his own in-game achievements, is almost CERTAINLY heavily optimized for crowd fighting and ruthlessly taking down opponents to even up the odds. Vegeta Style itself is optimized for crowd fighting, though it's also a ranged style and Yammar fights up close so Yammar may actually have a whole different style all his own... but I doubt it compromises crowd-fighting effectiveness given the Talt Rebellion.
Going multiform against Yammar is a huge gamble.
But I'm getting tired of pointing this out over and over, so if you want to win by attrition... maybe you can and I'll hope it works better than I expect?
WorthyAlchemist?
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I mean the latter option is predicated on what kind of seems like (at least to me) a baseless assumption (assumption being that the latter is a thing that people can do).
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Can you please reiterate what you think I'm proposing in your own words? If you have the same understanding of the plan as I do, then I will drop the matter insofar as you are concerned, but it does not seem like we're talking about the same proposal here.
Can you please reiterate what you think I'm proposing in your own words? If you have the same understanding of the plan as I do, then I will drop the matter insofar as you are concerned, but it does not seem like we're talking about the same proposal here.
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My logic is as follows:
1) We're not beating Yammar one on one
2) Yammar knows this.
Therefore, the plan needs the following to occur in order to be successful:
1) Jaffur and/or Apra to be healed, and 2) Yammar needs to be otherwise occupied while that happens. How that is accomplished, I don't particularly care, but those two things need to happen.
1) We're not beating Yammar one on one
2) Yammar knows this.
Therefore, the plan needs the following to occur in order to be successful:
1) Jaffur and/or Apra to be healed, and 2) Yammar needs to be otherwise occupied while that happens. How that is accomplished, I don't particularly care, but those two things need to happen.
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If he's actively hostile and treacherous, then for present circumstances it really doesn't make any practical difference...
It's maybe a long shot but it's not completely basis. We KNOW at least one competent Seer was giving Dandeer tactical advice early in the fight. We KNOW we blocked off their access to Dandeer. If they're still trying to screw with us, projecting a false vision at us is one of the most plausible things they could do. Bearing in mind that we still know we have a lot of uncertainty about what Sight can and cannot do.
Again, go ahead, flip that coin.
Basically, I think you're proposing to spend a tactically relevant amount of time (enough time for Yammar to lock on and fire or tsew up to and brutally maul one person with half his power level) divided up into two weaker saiyans, within the area Yammar can reach. This worries me.
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For the record, I think Yammar got a seer to aid him while fighting, and the communication check was to prevent Kakara from realizing. However, if I'm wrong we all die or worse, so I'm not betting on it.
WorthyAlchemist?
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See I'd agree it was a coin flip if both options were equally likely. Again the latter option has never even been hinted at as being a thing.
-oh, I wasn't objecting to the fairly well-supported idea that Dandeer is getting seer help, only the assumption that she needed mind control to get it from the notoriously anti-monarch republican who has apparently been sandbagging Kakara's seer abilities for years and manipulating her destiny literally since birth.
There is a canon way to heal distant people enough to get them back on their bisected torso fairly stealthily.
-in which case, you lose nothing by not promoting thread bias for a disturbingly implicit assumption which can badly screw us in near-present circumstances.
Kakara needed multiple cookies to manage a stalemate instead of a laughable curbstomp against a scout who was actively trying to avoid hurting her despite her being more powerful than him.
Kakara is an utterly crap fighter against anything even approaching a peer opponent. Yammar owning her like a career master toying with an untrained child is not unexpected, because that is exactly what happened.
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That would have been a Deceit check.
I don't think we can make willpower pushes work for us that reliably.
HoratioVonBecker
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Other possible win conditions are talking Yammar down or powering up Spirit Saiyan until we can beat him one-on-one. The latter requires distracting him. The former does not.
There are so, so many problems with that.
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Hah, I'd forgotten about that. That could work, though I don't think we have any reason to believe it's stealthy? Frieza was unable to sense ki.
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Ok, does anyone actually think we can talk Yammar down? Not only is he mind controlled, not only is he a saiyan, not only is he a former monarch, but he's the former monarch of house vegeta. I'd love to hear the method for talking him out of this, because it's not obvious to me.
For those not in the know, info please?
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Even if we can talk him down (which I find extremely unlikely, and expect the Communications check to beat literal mind control to have a DC of 200+) Yammar has just demonstrated he has exceptional Communications skills, rolling a +46 at minimum.
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When Goku beats Frieza, Frieza begs for his life as a bisected torso. Goku transfers ki to him at a distance.
Frieza then tried to murder him with said ki with a blast at his back as he's leaving, because Frieza was a huge turd.
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The other option which presents itself is taking advantage of the fact that there is now only one opponent to mindwalk into his head and start breaking stuff. Explosions can solve any problem, and his compulsion is a problem, so by the iron laws of deductive logic there must be a way to just blow it up.
Yeah, who the hell lets a Balor pick a scion, much less after he has assaulted, disabled, and murderously threatened the reigning Lord and Lady?
Nevertheless, it happened. Now we've got to deal with it.
Yammar's deceit is currently crap, and the actual use didn't seem to leave any sort of tracer-trail. At worst, distract him with Dandeer flail and pretend to miss a ki-blast.
Yeah, who the hell lets a Balor pick a scion, much less after he has assaulted, disabled, and murderously threatened the reigning Lord and Lady?
Nevertheless, it happened. Now we've got to deal with it.
Yammar's deceit is currently crap, and the actual use didn't seem to leave any sort of tracer-trail. At worst, distract him with Dandeer flail and pretend to miss a ki-blast.
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Not the part I have issue with. Also, your assuming other Seers don't get to have a second opinion.
No, the issue with your idea is that it introduces way too many moving parts, what-ifs and doesn't make that much sense.