So, once ENCOM tries hacking us, they'll basically start a digital war between CJ and the MCP?

I want to get involved in that so bad

I mean, assuming they do. They haven't yet, and we are a major competitor, so maybe that's not their focus. I was actually kinda expecting a 'upgrade our OS' action this turn to continued to compete with ENCOM and would assume that taking that would escalate it enough for them to start hacking actions, but nothing has come of that, so...

ENCOM's been weirdly quiet kinda worrying.*

*You know, I'm really hoping Bill is a good ways off, playing a good guy in a cyper-punk corpocrazy hellhole is fun, and I'm honestly not looking forward to it being all BIll all the time once he takes center state.

Edit: Tough it he doesn't attach, CJ isn't exactly built for aggression. She's stewardship/diplomacy, so I imagine she'd work on fortifying territory and building Doof-space over taking the fight to the MCP.
 
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You know, I'm really hoping Bill is a good ways off, playing a good guy in a cyper-punk corpocrazy hellhole is fun, and I'm honestly not looking forward to it being all BIll all the time once he takes center state.
That... is concerning. Extremely so. But, that's still a long way off. We still have to make an alliance with Xanatos and get rid of Toffee before we can even think about Bill.

We want ECOM to have access to Axiom tech? Space flight and food?
Oh, lord, I didn't even think, about that! Yeah, no, let's not do that!!
 
About Axiom's methods of feeding, any thought of how they get their food materials? I don't recall have even seen anything that resembles a farm on the ship though I might have missed it since it been a long while since I saw the movie. Is possible that they have a machine that turns/transforms human wastes back into normal edible food to repeat the cycle again.

There is also option that Axiom is using Soylent Green solution.
 
*You know, I'm really hoping Bill is a good ways off, playing a good guy in a cyper-punk corpocrazy hellhole is fun, and I'm honestly not looking forward to it being all BIll all the time once he takes center state.
Yeah, I briefly remarked about it back during the whole announcement that the 4th-wall part was a joke, but I really don't like how the thread almost inevitably circles back to Bill and ways to defeat him every other threadmark.

I like Bill. He's a very fun character and I generally have more an appreciation for Chaos characters than I do Order characters in media. I just feel like the looming apocalypse taking the thread's focus kinda takes out a lot of the fun of the scenario. I like having this be a quest about an eccentric scientist who is basically a modern Emperor Norton running his two-and-a-half states in a cyberpunk scenario. Bill always manages to distract from that, and it kinda makes me wish he wasn't really a thing in the scenario despite my liking of his character.
 
Then we motivate him. Carrot and stick.

• Vassal rulership over a portion of the wastes
• Imprisonment in a sterile environment

• Educational cartoons about the dangers of being TOO clean
• Dip

•Etc

I don't believe the Inquinator's levers are too difficult to puzzle out and use to our advantage. Plus he'd be unreliable by himself. That's why we pile him with handlers which wouldn't be a bad thing as they'd add something other than just watching him.

Plus could get him to bond with whoever we send him with which would be good. And he'd do the heavy lifting due to the sheer amount of hate he'd feel for the Axiom. Once he found out about it. I recall there being a robot dedicated to scrubbing away filth. There'd be more than just the one.

Anyhow in my head I think he'd be part of the attack more do than scouting and the finding of the Axiom.
He probably has at least a negative 30 opinion on us mechanically. Not sure it would be easy to get him to like us as he has to have at least a dislikes our environmental plans and a defeated me trait.
 
So I know that we had a pet massive Cockroach as a child and we loved them dearly, so when are we going to ensure that everyone learns the endearing love that they can provide. Hoarfrost was truly the best of us.

Drusselstein roaches would be perfect for genetic experiments, farming, as pets, and for cleaning they are excellent at eating trash and cleaning themself with there shell oils and self grooming they are also extremly adaptive and robust
 
About Axiom's methods of feeding, any thought of how they get their food materials?

I guess very efficient hydroponics, nutrient dense slurry with very good flavoring in the form of smoothies, efficient recycling of water.

I say good flavoring because the ads on the Axiom shows meat based smoothies. Like hamburgers or hotdogs. Though it could be they got used to the substandard taste?

It's not just food tech that'd be good though, hover technology in the chairs, holograms to talk to each other, educational systems from babies to adults (company bent, could be very basic?), clothing that changes color, advanced AI, EVE's arm canon, domestic robots, probably lots of automation to produce everything, gravity manipulation as people can fall on the ground (Axiom could accomplish this some other way?), and some way to keep everyone breathing in space.

Lots of goodies that Buy&Large has in their pocket.

There is also option that Axiom is using Soylent Green solution.

They probably use corpses for soil nutrients, otherwise I guess cannibalization would be very efficient if not moral or particularly sanitary from a disease spreading stand point.

He probably has at least a negative 30 opinion on us mechanically. Not sure it would be easy to get him to like us as he has to have at least a dislikes our environmental plans and a defeated me trait.

He doesn't have to like us to work for us where he knows it or not. Willingly or unwillingly. Though admittedly it'd be more trouble if he's unwilling 🤷‍♂️.
 
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• Educational cartoons about the dangers of being TOO clean
...Y'know, we could use Inquinator to run a series of children's safety videos warning them of the dangers of drinking bleach and other household cleaning products and he'd probably be all for it :V

Actually, we could also probably rope him into a healthy diet advocacy program too as long as we sell it to him as getting people to have a more diverse gut flora. We could even weaponize his villain toon tendencies - Inquinator, forcing people to eat greek yogurt for healthier gut bacteria. And because he's evil it's plain yogurt, none of that fancy sweetened stuff. The fiend!
 
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He doesn't have to like us to work for us where he knows it or not. Willingly or unwillingly. Though admittedly it'd be more trouble if he's unwilling 🤷‍♂️.

We are not short on heroes. Nor does Inquinator have stats that are particularly noteworthy. Why would we take the risk and trouble of leashing such a hero? We have multiple enemies who would love to have a non-loyal hook in our organization.
 
Do you think we can reroute it with wifi or an inator to broadcast it to Axiom, to make ECOM cyberattack AUTO instead?

Ah, yes, of course, set the enemy to the left of us to war with the enemy to the right of us. A brilliant plan that in no way could backfire.
 
We are not short on heroes. Nor does Inquinator have stats that are particularly noteworthy. Why would we take the risk and trouble of leashing such a hero? We have multiple enemies who would love to have a non-loyal hook in our organization.
We still have a few really good units in the recruitment list, why are we even talking about a D tier villain like Inquinator?

•A toon body to throw around we wouldn't care about losing unlike others we could recruit
•A (basically) indestructible toon shaped thorn in AUTO's side

• Deniability of responsibility for an attack to anyone who investigates
• Probing the defenses of the Axiom

•He wouldn't be part of Doofenshmirtz Evil Inc in any significant capacity unlike Kat the alien, so how would he betray us?

- He claims to AUTO that Doof sent him.

+ Lies, he has a grudge against us and we obviously didn't know the Axiom even existed
+ He'd hate the Axiom, why work with it? I doubt he'd hate us more than it.

- Goes into the wastes to build an army to attack us.

+ He's a D tier villain with stats that are not particularly noteworthy. What we can't handle him? Or anything he makes?
+ He actually make use of junk. He could makes something interesting that we could potentially reverse engineer.
+ He'd give Hego something to do and possibly give our other heroes a workout from time to time.

I don't particularly want him unlike many a pokemon. I want to make use of him.

So find out what is the situation in the Axiom. If it's anything like the movie we show that to him and point in the direction he should go.

It's the sort of thing I see happening after the auction, if the food situation gets worse, or we're bored and have nothing better to do. Not a current urgent thing that needs to happen. It's spitballing people.
 
He's a D tier villain with stats that are not particularly noteworthy.

So was the Box Ghost, but he was terrifying when he got stuck in the perfect scenario. Just because someone is D-List doesn't mean they can't become horrific, especially if, I dunno, they're trash based and we're throwing them into a land of hyper advanced trash or some shit.
 
Is it possible to reverse-engineer Inators?

For example, Normbots equipped with Dance-inators, after a
[ex] Reverse-engineer an Inator
-[ex] Dance-inator
then
[ex] Downsize Dance-inator
and
[ex] Equip Normbots with Dance-inators
action chain?
 
Guys, any plan that has a 'beat a king' as a single step needs to be rethought. Doom is being a pain in the necks, Toffee is... well hopefully Toffee will distract himself with chewing on someone else first. But we can't afford just will nilly fighting kings. Kings are a 15 step plan to defeat them, not a single step in another plan.

Yeah, I am a bit confused that some people consider(ed) Syndrome to have gone down easy in any measure.

As someone said before, last time it took:

- one unknown party (by now suspected to have been Evelyn Deavor preparing her eventual takeover of Kronos) supplying two other Kings with known grudges against the King in question (Doof and Shego, respectively) with extremely valuable intel
- the two contacted Kings deciding to cooperate over several months to bring their rival to his knees (with one providing the brains in the form of further reconnisance as well as means of sabotaging the enemys powerbase - and the other providing a planned, concentrated spear thrust attack via several hired capes as the brawn), in the process commiting a tremendous amount of organisational, economic and intellectual ressources to their endeavour
- every single step of their plans going without any major hiccups
- the hostile King in question weakening his defenses far enough by being arrogant enough to bid all his designs on a few crucial central mechanism (including his own personal fighting prowess) that once compromised would cause his power base to collapse into itself

So yeah, toppling a King is nothing any singular polity except Bill, Toffee and MAYBE the US government (and the latter would probably end up crashing their economy from the sheer strain in the process) can just do on a whim. Syndrome going down required a lot of stuff going our way and us capitalizing on every single advantage we could eek out - and even then there were some VERY close calls. Aside from that, while Syndrome himself fell (most likely dying after his failed escape attempt), his powerbase remained intact enough for Deavour to simply waltz in and take over, so after all we/Shego might have only scored second place there.

In the end, a King-vs.-King shadow war is a battle of attrition, with both sides preying mercilessly on any weakness of their opponent might make

Our feud against Doom is no different:

- We decided to openly declare our territory toon-friendly, causing his grip on them to loosened ever so slightly
- He wanted to stage an assassination attempt in order to weaken our resolve, but that one backfired badly for him
- We undermined his intrigue network by sending his designated Hero Unit on a wild goose chase, really putting him in a bad spot
- He reframed our toon-friendly agenda in an #AllLivesMatters fashion in order to make us look like a damn hypocrite or is currently aiming to repeal the SRA to open a new front we might have to deal with.

There will be no flashy one-two punch to the mat against another King without serious prep-work and/or outside interference tilting things a bit. to think differently won´t get us anywhere but on the chopping block at the hands of the other Kings and/or the US government who tired at us rocking the boat relentlessly.
 
Yeah, I am a bit confused that some people consider(ed) Syndrome to have gone down easy in any measure.

As someone said before, last time it took:

- one unknown party (by now suspected to have been Evelyn Deavor preparing her eventual takeover of Kronos) supplying two other Kings with known grudges against the King in question (Doof and Shego, respectively) with extremely valuable intel
- the two contacted Kings deciding to cooperate over several months to bring their rival to his knees (with one providing the brains in the form of further reconnisance as well as means of sabotaging the enemys powerbase - and the other providing a planned, concentrated spear thrust attack via several hired capes as the brawn), in the process commiting a tremendous amount of organisational, economic and intellectual ressources to their endeavour
- every single step of their plans going without any major hiccups
- the hostile King in question weakening his defenses far enough by being arrogant enough to bid all his designs on a few crucial central mechanism (including his own personal fighting prowess) that once compromised would cause his power base to collapse into itself

So yeah, toppling a King is nothing any singular polity except Bill, Toffee and MAYBE the US government (and the latter would probably end up crashing their economy from the sheer strain in the process) can just do on a whim. Syndrome going down required a lot of stuff going our way and us capitalizing on every single advantage we could eek out - and even then there were some VERY close calls. Aside from that, while Syndrome himself fell (most likely dying after his failed escape attempt), his powerbase remained intact enough for Deavour to simply waltz in and take over, so after all we/Shego might have only scored second place there.

In the end, a King-vs.-King shadow war is a battle of attrition, with both sides preying mercilessly on any weakness of their opponent might make

Our feud against Doom is no different:

- We decided to openly declare our territory toon-friendly, causing his grip on them to loosened ever so slightly
- He wanted to stage an assassination attempt in order to weaken our resolve, but that one backfired badly for him
- We undermined his intrigue network by sending his designated Hero Unit on a wild goose chase, really putting him in a bad spot
- He reframed our toon-friendly agenda in an #AllLivesMatters fashion in order to make us look like a damn hypocrite or is currently aiming to repeal the SRA to open a new front we might have to deal with.

There will be no flashy one-two punch to the mat against another King without serious prep-work and/or outside interference tilting things a bit. to think differently won´t get us anywhere but on the chopping block at the hands of the other Kings and/or the US government who tired at us rocking the boat relentlessly.

A wonderfully summary of the amount of work that it took just to put a king in a position where a dual crit could take him out.

You know, the hashtag mention makes me think about our battles in the age of social media. Kinda want to write up a faux DVV social media posts with

-I am a real person from Salt lake city. One time, I was just walking on the street when a car pulled up full of toons and beat me on the sidewalk before shouting 'honk honk'
-I don't hate toons, I just hate toons that make being a toon their entire personality. As long as they are quiet normal people who don't talk about, they are fine.
-As a waiter, I hate serving toons. They always break stuff, and never tip well.
-Doof is problematic and people shouldn't stan him just because he gives free food.
-Doof bratwurst is MADE OF PEOPLE. Wake up!
-I hate how PC our world is. People can't just admit that toons aren't as good at STEM fields and should be doing work like that.

Also if we can manage to get a social media app up eventually and find damning info on Doom, hopefully, we can get him #cancled.

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-Shego is #Girlboss
-#Syndromedidn'tretire
-#PredRights
-#CancleKhan
 
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Can we not bring Cancel culture into the quest? This is a fun quest that doesn't need that toxicity.
Agreed; this is an escapism.

Considering that three of the strongest issues in this setting are racially/socially based; toons, supers, and predators .... scratch that, four counting the Mewman/Monster divide, it would feel unrealistic to not have modern social justice trends as part of the quest.

In a very real sense, like, at least half of this quest is about social justice and racism. It's just wrapped up in a fun package with wacky toons and magical princesses, and our lead character is a mad scientist who was raised by wild animals.
 
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