Not a bad idea. The problem is that Dennis is then there purely to boost Russ's statline, and to serve the (admittedly useful) role of blocking the first enemy Martial attack.
Well, not just there for that. He's also likely to get a loyalty boost, because Xanadu is the latest step on the "Find Donald" questline. But even if he wasn't, I don't see that as being ahuge problem? Dennis has become surprisingly competent, sure, but realistically we aren't going to want to use him on national actions very often, and avoiding a martial failure on a quest is a fair trade vs his personal actions, which isn't a super in demand one like Technor has.
Given that we have a LOT of non-genetics, non-GalFed options, in the long run arguably the optimal way to use Jumba is "one on, one off:" half the time he works on genetics, half the time on something else. The GalFed ship is unusual in that it's exempt from this rotation and will not burn off the Science Sated trait so far as I know.
I don't expect to run out of Galfed and Genetics options in the short or medium term. For one thing, we haven't even gotten started on Human Genetics or Galfed tech tree, so there's still that entire area to get through, and a lot of those look to be very valuable actions too; stuff like "actually learn to induce superpowers" is probably a genetics action gated a ways behind research human genetics, for instance. In the long term, absolutely, we can run out, but as time goes on we're likely to pick up more learning heroes as well. I'd much rather have something like (shortened for simplicity)

Turn 1: Jumba does Genetics action at +73
Turn 2: Jumba does Genetics action at +73
Turn 3: Jumba does Galfed Action at +63
Turn 4: Juba does Galfed Action at +63
Turn 5: New chemistry hero does chemistry action at +50
Turn 6: New chemistry hero does chemistry action at +50

Than
Turn 1: Jumba does Chemistry Action at +42
Turn 2: Jumba does Genetics action at +73
Turn 3: Jumba does Chemistry Action at +42
Turn 4: Jumba does Galfed Action at +63
Turn 5: Jumba does Genetics action at +73
Turn 6: Jumba does Galfed Action at +63

All else being equal, it seems like much more of a winning strategy to let people take actions in their (#1 in the galaxy at) specialty, rather than use them as a generalist when, even if we never get a specialist for the action they're taking as a generalist, Von Drake conclusively demonstraes that there are better generalists around.
 
We recruit Wendy this turn would at least leave her doing personal action for one turn as we are currently focusing on Dino and Space Research. Recruiting Kitsune this turn would let us have a Hero Unit better than 10 Stats doing National Action while Janna goes on Quest and Felldrake training. It is better to recruit Kitsune and then Wendy so that we can have them focus on National Actions immediately after we recruited them instead of having them focus on Personal Action. Much more efficient.

It is better having Coyote upgrading the Normbots to let them have the ACME upgrade as well. Only Norm Prime has them and it was because of Coyote.
If we recruit Wendy this turn we can only use her September/October. It is the same deal with Kitsune. If we choose to recruit Wendy, for example, we can put back AI research and focus on Dimensional Research/Galfed ship because she presumably she'll give a much larger bonus.

I see why you have messed up now. You assume that Kitsune will be able to act July/August when the earliest she (or Wendy) will be able to be used is September/October. Remember, the earliest we can recruit from the Rolodex is July/August, the turn after is the Auction.
 
We have several Learning heroes, even if we don't always like the spread we have to put them in to function.

We only have two Occult heroes, and one of them is working at a +10. Even if Doof finishes the spellbook this turn, that'll still only be, I think at most, a +9 bonus to Occult rolls in any case.

Even if our chances of successfully recruiting Kitsune are lower, barring new information from the Interludes or new National Actions we can take, our need for her is greater. If, hypothetically, enemy action blew up our entire rolodex, and we'd only recruited one of the two before we lost everyone's contact information forever, I'd regret the loss of Kitsune far more than the loss of Wendy.
 
Not to mention our best occult unit so far, Janna, STILL has a one-in-six chance of flaking on any action we send her to. I love Janna, but we might want someone more reliable on call for time-sensitive assignments.
 
We should have Malifwhateverhisnameis (ancestor from the castle) as an occult hero reasonably soon as well, which reduces the need for Kitsune significantly.
 
And on the Doom front, may I once again bring up turning the Hawk into a Mole? No, not literally, I mean him being our mole into Doom's affairs!
I like the idea so much I've suggested it repeatedly.

I don't expect to run out of Galfed and Genetics options in the short or medium term. For one thing, we haven't even gotten started on Human Genetics or Galfed tech tree, so there's still that entire area to get through, and a lot of those look to be very valuable actions too; stuff like "actually learn to induce superpowers" is probably a genetics action gated a ways behind research human genetics, for instance. In the long term, absolutely, we can run out, but as time goes on we're likely to pick up more learning heroes as well. I'd much rather have something like (shortened for simplicity)

Turn 1: Jumba does Genetics action at +73
Turn 2: Jumba does Genetics action at +73
Turn 3: Jumba does Galfed Action at +63
Turn 4: Juba does Galfed Action at +63
Turn 5: New chemistry hero does chemistry action at +50
Turn 6: New chemistry hero does chemistry action at +50

Than
Turn 1: Jumba does Chemistry Action at +42
Turn 2: Jumba does Genetics action at +73
Turn 3: Jumba does Chemistry Action at +42
Turn 4: Jumba does Galfed Action at +63
Turn 5: Jumba does Genetics action at +73
Turn 6: Jumba does Galfed Action at +63
That's fair as long as we don't mind being committed to half our Learning actions being Genetics and GalFed actions forever. Which isn't the worst idea, admittedly. The problem is that then we really want to crack that GalFed box, because those are the techs that we can use to achieve applications other than Always Only Ever Genetics while still activating one of Jumba's bonuses.
 
And on the Doom front, may I once again bring up turning the Hawk into a Mole? No, not literally, I mean him being our mole into Doom's affairs!

This turn might be the time to try this.

The dc might be lowered because he is struggling to be useful and doom is considering replacing him.

We would have to check with Heaven but logically it would make sense for turning him to be much easier now.

And I think kitsune would be the better choice first. It's a nice boost to occult and we need to free goofy up to either boost his loyalty or get his degree, whichever is needed to figure out the secret.

...of course we need to do the same thing with russ but he seems a bit to useful right now.

I really hope we don't lose russ. He fits really well with what we have going on.
 
Star and Marco are doing everything they can to avoid Toffee; why would we expect to learn much about their whereabouts in his territory where his minions would be scouring the land for clues already?

The best argument for investigating Toffee before the auction is to warn Xanatos about him. Except that actually finding Star or Marco would be at least as effective a way to accomplish that, and the Dickens Agency can't do two actions at once.

Temujin actually has Stewardship 22, which puts him pretty close to the top.
It'll be an idea of their first moves before running and where they went in the first months. Most of why I want the Dickens to investigate Toffee is so we can see his rise to power and what his plans may be.

I was aware Khan had fairly good Stewardship, my issues came from Janna.

Eh... no, as I just pointed out, and have repeatedly pointed out, Kitsune is the best, immediate, choice for Occult actions, Diplo actions, and, as it will undoubtedly require a Quest just like looking for Donald does, the Quest we'll unlock to find Star and Marco.
I would say that finishing AI research is more important than say, Research Alchemy. I have no doubt whatsoever that finding Marco and Star will take multiple Intrigue actions. I doubt that Marco and Star are together. We have no reason to believe that Marco found her. I am willing to bet that they will take a quest to recruit, each.

A lot of the focus on Wendy comes from the fact that she could help Norm and CJ. Most of the rest of it comes from the idea that Von Drake will be able to educate LOVEMUFFIN sooner. It would be nice to have Kitsune, but I slightly prefer Wendy.
 
Yes... but all hero units, besides the ones that are specifically stated to be, which Wendy has not been, have a hidden % that they'll already be hired by somebody else. So, while Wendy may or may not have a less % for that than Kitsune. Plus, just because she's doing her show, that doesn't mean that someone else hasn't either already hired her or is now funding her show and has, essentially, gained her as their hero unit.

Bluntly, I find it highly improbable that taking a dedicated personal action and rolling us 81 would only result in us getting a rolodex on someone already hired. I do not find it improbable the same would be true of the free hero cards we get every turn.
 
Alrighty, time to drop some logimaths.

KITSUNE
+Solid Diplo/Occult, will function as a solid switch-hitter to allow Goofy and Janna some breathing room
+Personal Kitsune-based Bias
+Likely has connections to the Masquerade operating in Doofania.
+Good to bring to the Auction, stat-wise
-Theoretically has a lower chance of accepting a job offer.
?May already know some folks at the Auction, for better or worse...
?Is already selling Janna illegal fireworks.

WENDY
+Another Learning unit to fit our "Unbridled SCIENCE" aesthetic.
+A.I. research specialist to give Von Duck some breathing room
+Diplo switch-hitter for Goofy
+May provide a non-hostile takeover route into Funtelligence.
-Might not like the weaponization of her friendly A.I.s...
?Will be DELIGHTED to meet Norm and CJ.
 
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It'll be an idea of their first moves before running and where they went in the first months. Most of why I want the Dickens to investigate Toffee is so we can see his rise to power and what his plans may be.

I was aware Khan had fairly good Stewardship, my issues came from Janna.


I would say that finishing AI research is more important than say, Research Alchemy. I have no doubt whatsoever that finding Marco and Star will take multiple Intrigue actions. I doubt that Marco and Star are together. We have no reason to believe that Marco found her. I am willing to bet that they will take a quest to recruit, each.

A lot of the focus on Wendy comes from the fact that she could help Norm and CJ. Most of the rest of it comes from the idea that Von Drake will be able to educate LOVEMUFFIN sooner. It would be nice to have Kitsune, but I slightly prefer Wendy.

I'd argue that Alchemy Research, as well as other Occult actions, are, in the grand scheme if things, more important as they will help us deal with both Toffee and Bill, along with other magical enemies. Sure, we'll eventually have robots with super advanced AI... who would undoubtedly lose to Toffee if he has even half of Star's wand. The same goes for Bill. Researching Occult stuff will help us out when situations like those pop up.

Bluntly, I find it highly improbable that taking a dedicated personal action and rolling us 81 would only result in us getting a rolodex on someone already hired. I do not find it improbable the same would be true of the free hero cards we get every turn.

Yes... but, as I stated, the action specifically says that every hero unit has the possibility of already being hired. So, unless the QM specifically states otherwise, I'm expecting that there's still a small % chance, probably the same amount or around the same amount as Kitsune, that she'll get snatched up if we roll low enough.

... also, something I just realized. Kitsune isn't human, so, if/when we get Quests to search for Star and Marco, we could actually have Kitsune pretend to be a monster, in case we meet any of Toffee's minions.


KITSUNE
+Solid Diplo/Occult, will function as a solid switch-hitter to allow Goofy and Janna some breathing room
+Personal Kitsune-based Bias
-Theoretically has a lower chance of accepting a job offer.

Also, another thing I realized that you could add:

+ Probably has connections to Doofania's magical community. May know other Occult heroes that would be willing to work with us.
 
WENDY
+Another Learning unit to fit our "Unbridled SCIENCE" aesthetic.
+A.I. research specialist to give Von Duck some breathing room
+Diplo switch-hitter for Goofy
-Might not like the weaponization of her friendly A.I.s...
?Will be DELIGHTED to meet Norm and CJ.

+ Might provide us a path to legitimately acquiring Funtelligence without having to commit Corporate Espionage
 
If we're talking about Learning/Diplo heroes, we have been planning on putting LOVEMUFFIN on Lee Industries, which would presumably unlock Janus Lee, right? That does, in my mind, at least slightly degrade the need for Wendy immediately.
 
I have a bit of a question. Is OWCA still a government agency in DVV? I know it is in the show, but kinda curious about its status here since it being part of the government has kinda gone unremarked as of yet.
 
...yo Pyrros did you literally put a bill in your avatar during the whole "HE CAN SEE US THINK" panic?
 
I'd argue that Alchemy Research, as well as other Occult actions, are, in the grand scheme if things, more important as they will help us deal with both Toffee and Bill, along with other magical enemies. Sure, we'll eventually have robots with super advanced AI... who would undoubtedly lose to Toffee if he has even half of Star's wand. The same goes for Bill. Researching Occult stuff will help us out when situations like those pop up.
That is certainly true. Alright, I'll throw my hat in for Kitsune.

+ The best hero we can bring to the auction with diplo and occult experience
If we take her to the auction she won't be able to Research Alchemy. I think that is a bit more important than the auction.
 
+ Might provide us a path to legitimately acquiring Funtelligence without having to commit Corporate Espionage

Actually, we can already buy it... it's just... well, people are scared that we'd piss off Callaghan. So, in their eyes, this might actually be a negative reason to recruit her.


If we take her to the auction she won't be able to Research Alchemy. I think that is a bit more important than the auction.

Yeah, plus, we shouldn't have anything else that Janna needs to do, so she can go to the auction with the Goof Troop, so she gets an extra +10 to ger Occult rolls.
 
...yo Pyrros did you literally put a bill in your avatar during the whole "HE CAN SEE US THINK" panic?
Nah, I wasn't logged on when everyone was panicking over it nor for most of the time people were trying to decipher the encrypted words. I only saw all the posts after QM confirmed that was just a joke and Bill in-game isn't breaking the 4th wall. I put it in at that point :V
 
If we recruit Wendy this turn we can only use her September/October. It is the same deal with Kitsune. If we choose to recruit Wendy, for example, we can put back AI research and focus on Dimensional Research/Galfed ship because she presumably she'll give a much larger bonus.

I see why you have messed up now. You assume that Kitsune will be able to act July/August when the earliest she (or Wendy) will be able to be used is September/October. Remember, the earliest we can recruit from the Rolodex is July/August, the turn after is the Auction.
....what? That's exactly what I said. We will only can start to use them on the turn we go to the Auction, September/October. Leaving Occult to Tobe who only had 10 Stat on Occult who is much better to be on Intrigue Actions. You're the one who is missinterpreting my words.
 
Alright, I know that I get off topic a lot, but you ever just go back through the logs and run into a perma-banned account that was seen last SUNDAY? Hot damn that was a spicy Sunday.
 
....what? That's exactly what I said. We will only can start to use them on the turn we go to the Auction, September/October. Leaving Occult to Tobe who only had 10 Stat on Occult who is much better to be on Intrigue Actions. You're the one who is missinterpreting my words.
The research options you mentioned where all choices for July/August. Which one we chose to recruit this turn should not change which things we research, other than (maybe) putting AI research back a turn.

We recruit Wendy this turn would at least leave her doing personal action for one turn as we are currently focusing on Dino and Space Research. Recruiting Kitsune this turn would let us have a Hero Unit better than 10 Stats doing National Action while Janna goes on Quest and Felldrake training. It is better to recruit Kitsune and then Wendy so that we can have them focus on National Actions immediately after we recruited them instead of having them focus on Personal Action. Much more efficient.
As I said, this is all for July/August. Besides, Dino research isn't likely to be picked up for a few turns. Dimensional research, AI, and Galfed tech seems to be more popular in the thread.
 
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There is nothing important to it as there is no difference between a normal success and critical success. We only need to roll higher than 30 and that will be enough.
There's a huge difference, a regular success would get us the person in question on our side a critical success could get us a boost to their stats, some new information we can use or even a new recruit
There's no promising that Star/Marco will be availabe to be recruited once we found them. There's a chance we will have to go on a Quest like what happened with Donald's search.
Yes but we at least know we have a plan that results in us getting more Occult heroes down the line on top of getting Malifishmertz
I am only asking for who is the most beneficial for us to recruit first. We are currently focusing on Dino and Spaceship so that means we are only going to go back on AI after two turns.
Again, that was still a matter of debate last I checked
We can Recruit Wendy directly after Kitsune. Much more efficient and won't leave them standing around doing personal action.
I don't see where you're getting the idea that we'd just leave Wendy to do personal actions rather than having her replace Goofy as a Diplomacy hero like has been continuously suggested
If you really want a Diplomacy Hero assign LOVEMUFFIN to buy Lee Industries. Janus Lee also had 3 Stars on Diplomacy just like Kitsune and Wendy.
I absolutely want Janus Lee but A) He's almost certainly primarily a Stewardship hero and B) The cards are intentionally vague, Lee could have anywhere between 3 and 45 Diplomacy

The same is true for Kitsune, we have absolutely no idea where int that spectrum she falls but we can at least assume that Wendy has good Diplomacy from what we know of her
Um... actually, no, it isn't. Kitsune probably has a higher Occult stat than Janna... but, when we get our Occult stat unlocked, we could still use Tobe or Janna as our Occult hero that turn while letting Kitsune do a diplo action.
Yes but if the Occult DC is higher than we're comfortable with or we just want a crit success then a good argument can be made for having Kitsune do them whereas with Wendy it's just a case of "Aer we researching AI or robotics? No? Then she can do Diplomacy"
Plus, as we do have a lot of AI related stuff to dox it's probable that Wendy won't be used as a Diplo hero for multiple turns, forcing us to use Goofy.
Except once we've gotten the Doppelgänger AI we can afford to take a break on the AI research for a while whereas there will always be more Occult actions for Kitsune to take
Especially if we want to completely finish doing the base AI research, as that, similar to fusion power, seems to take multiple turns even when we do succeed at it.
That's just because AI can always be improved and the better we make to the harder it is to do so, we still get rewards for doing it
Plus, the mysterious signal action is probably going to be AI related, so we'll want her to do something about it, and if we end up needing to go do a Quest to meet Drossel, she'll probably need to be sent on it...
That's ignoring that there will be just as many, if not more, actions and Quests where we'd want our new best Occult hero on
... basically, unless we want to do only the high DC Occult stuff, like, really high DC stuff, we can easily just use Janna and have Kitsune do Diplo rolls, freeing up Goofy.
Thats if we ignore that a lot of our current Occult actions are somewhat high DC, the desire to crit succeed where possible, sending people on quests or deciding to have Janna take a personal action
Yes... but, at the moment, we can sit on researching AIs for another turn... or we could just use one of our current Learning heroes on Doppelganger AIs then, once we recruit Wendy, we can just have her focus on doing AI related actions.
The sooner we get Doppelgänger AI done the sooner we can upgrade Norm, the sooner Doof can recognise him as his son, the sooner Norm can get rid of his platypode trait and the sooner our second best Martial character can be used for actions not involving pure combat

And why risk having someone else take the Doppelgänger AI action when we can just recruit Wendy and have her do it?

We might as well recruit Wendy, have her research it and then have her serve as a Diplomacy hero until we feel the need to pursue AI research again, hell I'd be all for having her recruit Kitsune
Will probably will unlock a quest that needs to be done before we recruit them... and which will probably require us to unlock dimensional tech and a second Occult hero as I imagine such a quest would have quite a few Occult rolls, most likely high ones. So we'll need to either recruit anyway before going on said quest or recruit another Occult hero... who may not have as high of a Diplo stat as Kitsune seems to have.
But it still means we have choices for Occult and we already have Malifishmertz in the works
 
If we're talking about Learning/Diplo heroes, we have been planning on putting LOVEMUFFIN on Lee Industries, which would presumably unlock Janus Lee, right? That does, in my mind, at least slightly degrade the need for Wendy immediately.
Lee's only got 3 learning pips, so unless we have a very quest heavy turn or his pips are on the large side, we're probably not ever going to use him on a learning action.
 
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