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TheGleeman said:
The Horned King

And before you say something: you said "most Disney" without differentiating between Classic and Gridlocked, so I am not violating a rule
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Violating a rule? You can suggest whatever you like, but the Horned King is already in Classic. I can't make a card for him since MiH does not want to cross the streams. Besides, you'd already know if the British Isles were reduced to a feudal fiefdom powered by death and misery, which is not the case here. Same goes for everyone else who requested DVV Classic or DVV Space characters, as the info on that is readily availible on the DVV Google Drive and 1d4chan until MiH finishes the dedicated DoofQuest FAQ.

When I said most Disney is viable, I meant that you can suggest any number of Disney characters who could fit into Gridlocked. The Touchstone, Fox, DIC, and Saban stuff are iffy, on account of them occasionally switching owners. Even Jetix and Disney XD are unstable since they often trade shows with Teletoon. Stuff from Dreamworks or Warner Bros material are likely off the table altogether.
 
TheGleeman said:
in that case we might wanna look if Pete genuinely worked as a Drill Sarge for a bit and didn´t just play one in cartoons.

That being said, in at least one WWII propaganda strip Pete was a mole for Nazi Germany, so we really have to know what was real and what was an act.
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Huh, didn't know that bit. I only knew the Donald thing because it was in a video I watched a few years back as a "weird fact" that he was recognized as an official member of the United States Army. Thanks for the info!
 
weredrago2 said:
Violating a rule? You can suggest whatever you like, but the Horned King is already in Classic. I can't make a card for him since MiH does not want to cross the streams. Besides, you'd already know if the British Isles were reduced to a feudal fiefdom powered by death and misery, which is not the case here. Same goes for everyone else who requested DVV Classic or DVV Space characters, as the info on that is readily availible on the DVV Google Drive and 1d4chan until MiH finishes the dedicated DoofQuest FAQ.

When I said most Disney is viable, I meant that you can suggest any number of Disney characters who could fit into Gridlocked. The Touchstone, Fox, DIC, and Saban stuff are iffy, on account of them occasionally switching owners. Even Jetix and Disney XD are unstable since they often trade shows with Teletoon. Stuff from Dreamworks or Warner Bros material are likely off the table altogether.
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...Thanks for moving the goalposts there...

As you said yourself, the distinction between Gridlocked and Classic is a bit nebulous (Space is quite a bit clearer luckily), with Muntz being a bit of an odd duck in Classic.

Why not simply do a non-canon roster of cards for non-Gridlocked chars if they were framed in GL stat rules to account for both sides?
 
TheGleeman said:
...Thanks for moving the goalposts there...

As you said yourself, the distinction between Gridlocked and Classic is a bit nebulous (Space is quite a bit clearer luckily), with Muntz being a bit of an odd duck in Classic.

Why not simply do a non-canon roster of cards for non-Gridlocked chars if they were framed in GL stat rules to account for both sides?
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I'm sorry I was unclear. You now have clarification and pertinent info. Outside of a few exceptions you can chart WWII as the dividing line for Classic and Gridlocked. Most Space media took place in a space setting.

If you mean I should make cards for DVV Classic characters, I do not want to do cards that won't be relevant to DoofQuest. DVV Classic will not be relevant to DoofQuest. Cards take some effort to put together since I have to get a good pic and eyeball stats for each one.
 
You what would a good Inator but mostly for fun The-What-If-Inator that show the a alter time line base on your decision (futurama reference).
 
Regarding Hawk, if we do want to replace him with a robot doppleganger in the future but also use him to interfere with Doom's actions against us now, we can just Feed Hawk False Trails for now and then do the switcheroo later. Those options, at least, shouldn't be mutually incompatible.

It doesn't harm his ability to campaign against Toons, but it does cover us somewhat while leaving us the ability to take longer-term actions against him.
 
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So, with Von Drake's worrying potential to research flubber before we've rolled out our PR campaign, here is another plan to account for that rather bad circumstances.

[ ]Theorizing 5.0
-[] Deal with 'The Resistance' DC:5 (Dennis)
-[] Update the City Council DC:90 (Goofy)
-[] Excavate Chicken Itza DC:100 (Janna Ordania)
-[] Express Delivery DC:90 (Wile E. Coyote)
-[] Buy out Lee Industries DC:55 (L.O.V.E.M.U.F.F.I.N.)
-[] Investigate the cape scene (Mirage)
-[] Second Intrigue Action
-[] Research Robo-Doppelganger AI AI DC:130 (Ludivine Von Drake)
-[] Research Dino Domestication DC:90 (Dr. Jumba Jookiba)
-[] Occult Action
-[] Doofensmirtz Personal
--[] Browse online for interesting stories
--[] Read your Spellbook (87/150)
--[] Chat with the Bossman (Janna)
--[] Make up with Roger
-[] Get an apartment (Genghis Khan)
-[] Reorganize OWCA (Francis Monogram) (Reward: 70/250)
-[] Personal Action (Russ)
-[] Repair (Norm Prime)
-[] Do Good Deeds (Hego)
-[] Psychoanalyze "Stanley" (Technor)
-[] Bond with Dad (Max)
-[] Personal Action (Vanessa)
-[] Personal Action (Lizzie)
-[] Personal Action (Tobe)

I have kept on not doing any Occult actions. I really don't want a critical failure in finding a hero (we might find one if you know what I mean) or Research Alchemy, which could hurt Tobe or even destroy the notes. Von Drake has been re-assigned to Research Robo-Doppelganger AI.

[ ] Research Robo-Doppelganger AI
DC 130
You have to admit it- you're impressed by Syndrome's research into AI. Sinatron, even as megalomaniacal as he was, seems to have sidestepped all the problems you and other companies have had with the concept. The emotions he was broadcasting didn't feel forced or tacked on, he was capable of quick reasoning and logical deduction, and based on the way he talked Gwen into giving up information, he was able to read people well enough to attempt diplomacy.
Reward: Robo-Doppelganger AI more closely understood, DC for future AI upgrading decreased, option to build robo-doppelganger personalities
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Sure, we don't have as much of a chance of succeeding with a DC of 130, but all of the flubber options are out of her grasp. Hopefully the DC of all AI actions is decreased by Princess Coffee Java. Researching this might even potentially decrease the DC of Adaptive anti-cape AI (hopefully to the point of removing it from the flubber DC neighborhood.

The second Intrigue action has been left clear because I don't know what to do with it anymore. Wait for robo-doppelganger and hope it works, or humiliate Doom and screw over any hope of dealing with crime? Depending on what you want, I'll probably assign Russ to it.
 
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Okay, the thread likes to panic. And we are now all "Flubber doom". Causing us to seriously suggest using her on an action where we know the DC will decrease if we do it int other order. let's talk about the odds.

First, it's only 1/6 to research something else. Not 1/6 to flubber.
Research Adaptive anti-cape AI is DC 100,which means anything DC 90-110 is possible. That leaves

Survey GalFed ship (100)
Research silphium (90)
Research resiniferatoxin (90)
Research Fusion Power (105)
Research climate controlled environments (110)
Research Greco-Roman Terraforming (100)
Research Flubber Power (100)
Research Flubber Antigravity (90)
Research Flubber Weather Modification (90)

Possible more, since Lizzie added techs and Stanley's tech was around 100. This means, even if we do have her trait active, there is a 1/9 chance of her getting flubber power. And the other flubber offers a slight decrease at most.

In total that means her chances of accidentally hitting on Flubber Power is 1/54, or less than 2%. It is ridiculous to limit our research on a 2% chance that while it might suck, leaves us with recoverable options.

Getting the AI tech let's us upgrade one of our primary combat resources. Let's us end Norm's obsession to get a good martial hero. Let's CJ grow enough to likely become a hero, and given her origin, likely an Admin focused one we badly need. Losing all this for a less than 2% chance is ridiculous.
 
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Ashen Cross said:
I'd recommend to do human genetics, Decentralization, Robo doppelgangers or the Zero point tech if you want to use Ludivine.
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The reason why we are going for AI-research is so we can upgrade Norm, in my mind anyways. All of the Flubber options are DC100 or DC90. I would rather not put her on human genetics or decentralizing our Normbots, both are much too close to Flubber. The zero-point energy isn't all that great. Why are you suggesting that I research robo-doppelgangers, I put her on researching the AI part...

shit

That's fixed.

clockworkchaos said:
In total that means her chances of accidentally hitting on Flubber Power is 1/54, or less than 2%. It is ridiculous to limit our research on a 2% chance that while it might suck, leaves us with recoverable options.
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Flubber power isn't the only flubber option. Flubber antigrav and weather both are within her grasp if Absent mind activates. Flubber antigrav isn't mentioned to give a public relations disaster, but when we made the flying cars flubber cars were mentioned to be bad, so it probably does anyways. Flubber weather is mentioned to give a public relations disaster. It's a five percent chance, but we can't deal with a PR disaster right now, I think.

Anyways, I'm hoping that Princess Coffee Java and Robo-Doppelganger AI lower the DC of Adaptive anti-cape AI for when we eventually research it.
 
Simon_Jester said:
To be fair that could have been about something else- but the fact that he specifically tried to reach out to us suggests that he's taking us seriously.
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Soon after we left, a "Devil Girl" showed up in our territory, but left pretty quickly. Toffee left partway through the event even though he was enjoying the show.

Yes, maybe it was unrelated. Maybe. Possibly. I don't think it is.
Ashen Cross said:
Remember this? and remember ludivine's Trait?

that means we have a chance that this action will occur if the trait rolls a 6 on any learning action with a DC of 90 - 110, which is most of them
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We also have a chance at accidentally installing big guns on our roofs, which is similarly bad.
TheGleeman said:
That being said, in at least one WWII propaganda strip Pete was a mole for Nazi Germany, so we really have to know what was real and what was an act.
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That was almost certainly an act. Pete can be a big asshole, and he's usually depicted as one, but his full villain roles are rare.

I think it's been mentioned he's more Goofy Movie in personality, and it has been a while, but I recall Pete in that being an asshole who, nevertheless, was actually friends with Goofy, and the one big awful thing he did was... tell Goofy that he was being fooled and that he should check for proof. Which was true. So...
 
MrHobbit said:
Flubber power isn't the only flubber option. Flubber antigrav and weather both are within her grasp if Absent mind activates. Flubber antigrav isn't mentioned to give a public relations disaster, but when we made the flying cars flubber cars were mentioned to be bad, so it probably does anyways. Flubber weather is mentioned to give a public relations disaster. It's a five percent chance, but we can't deal with a PR disaster right now, I think.

Anyways, I'm hoping that Princess Coffee Java and Robo-Doppelganger AI lower the DC of Adaptive anti-cape AI for when we eventually research it.
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This is inaccurate at best, and deceptive fear-mongering at worse.

Flubber Power: Reward: Massive public opinion decrease, power problems for all of your territory removed, Technor's 'Power Hungry' malus removed
Research Flubber Weather Modification Reward: Weather modification technology unlocked, significant public opinion decrease

One is a disaster, one is a problem. We have multiple actions we took early on, that helped with public relations. We can afford the chance, assuming that we don't get an option to 'not use' if we didn't actually choose it.
 
clockworkchaos said:
Getting the AI tech let's us upgrade one of our primary combat resources. Let's us end Norm's obsession to get a good martial hero. Let's CJ grow enough to likely become a hero, and given her origin, likely an Admin focused one we badly need. Losing all this for a less than 2% chance is ridiculous.
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Ehh, I don't think there is importance to the order of doing AI research, other than to lower the DC of other actions. These are the three AI research options we have available to ourselves currently:

[ ] Upgrade AI
DC 325
After seeing what Syndrome managed at Vegas, and the contents of the Palladium Chip, you have come to the conclusion... that you know way less about AI than you think you do. Seriously, even with the breakthroughs you've made in the field, Sinatron was running laps around your best work. Norm may be a real swell guy, but there's no chance he could ever pull off something like that. It's possible you could still make some sort of advance in AI, but until you sort through everything you gained from the Sands gala, you've got no idea.
(Research Adaptive Anti-Cape AI and Robot Doppleganger AI to lower the DC)
[ ] Research Adaptive anti-cape AI
DC 100
One of the hallmarks of Kronos AI is the ability to react and adapt to different stimuli in an extremely rapid manner. While Syndrome typically put this to use in omnidroids to take down super-criminals, you can think of all sorts of use for this kind of learning tech. You may have snatched the schematics and design documents from the Kronos gala, but you still need to spend some time looking them over and integrating them into what you already know about AI.
Rewards: DC for upgrading AI decreased, option to integrate adaptive AI into Normbots, reduction to Doppelganger AI DC, bonus to any future quest options opposing Omnidroids
[ ] Research Robo-Doppelganger AI
DC 130
You have to admit it- you're impressed by Syndrome's research into AI. Sinatron, even as megalomaniacal as he was, seems to have sidestepped all the problems you and other companies have had with the concept. The emotions he was broadcasting didn't feel forced or tacked on, he was capable of quick reasoning and logical deduction, and based on the way he talked Gwen into giving up information, he was able to read people well enough to attempt diplomacy.
Reward: Robo-Doppelganger AI more closely understood, DC for future AI upgrading decreased, option to build robo-doppelganger personalities
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Upgrade AI will go the furthest in helping Princess Coffee Java and helping Norm end his obsession with Platypodes. To make Upgrade AI without the dice exploding, we need to research the other AI options. I expect that Princess Coffee Java has lowered the DC of all AI options, but this is what I know right now. I hope that Robo-Doppelganger AI will lower the DC of Adaptive anti-cape AI, however, the reverse is what is mentioned. Ludivine will only really need to roll a 48 to succeed, and a 38 if we put XP into it. We've done further jumps before.

clockworkchaos said:
This is inaccurate at best, and deceptive fear-mongering at worse.
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I'd call a significant public relations decrease a disaster. It's just that flubber power is much worse. I can see why you would want to go for adaptive anti-cape AI first. Robo-Doppelganger AI just seems a bit less risky.
 
We will probably be safe from flubber stuff this turn.

But still better to do the pr campaign soon to eliminate the risk as much as possible and actually make flubber viable for us.
 
weredrago2 said:
On the subject of the cards, I premade some more! The next pack will be dropped around the time the next round is.

Question: Which heroes, villains, and neutrals would you like to see turned into cards? Most Disney things are on the table, so go wild with your suggestions.
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The Giants from BFG, Davey Jones, and the villain from UP.

Edit: Sorry, not Davey Jones cause now I'm not sure he's in the setting. How about the Mighty Ducks?
 
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MrHobbit said:
Ehh, I don't think there is importance to the order of doing AI research, other than to lower the DC of other actions. These are the three AI research options we have available to ourselves currently:
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Lowering the DC is major.


MrHobbit said:
Upgrade AI will go the furthest in helping Princess Coffee Java and helping Norm end his obsession with Platypodes. To make Upgrade AI without the dice exploding, we need to research the other AI options. I expect that Princess Coffee Java has lowered the DC of all AI options, but this is what I know right now. I hope that Robo-Doppelganger AI will lower the DC of Adaptive anti-cape AI, however, the reverse is what is mentioned. Ludivine will only really need to roll a 48 to succeed, and a 38 if we put XP into it. We've done further jumps before.
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We've done further jumps before because we vitally wanted something now, often extra actions. We don't need Doppleganger now, and we can eliminate that risk be researching anti-cape.

MrHobbit said:
I'd call a significant public relations decrease a disaster. It's just that flubber power is much worse. I can see why you would want to go for adaptive anti-cape AI first. Robo-Doppelganger AI just seems a bit less risky.
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Bluntly, we have enough PR backlog we can take a significant drop. We have an army of Normbots, we could take the massive even, though we want to climb ourselves out of the hole.. Humans are bad as risk calculation. We tend to massively over weigh unlikely outcomes that scare us, compared to probably outcomes that don't. And right now, you are making that mistake. The 37% chance of a wasted action is a reasonable outcome that we should look to reducing. The 2% chance of a massive and 2% chance of a significant are not. Plus, even is such a circumstance, we are likely to have some sort of "publicly agree to stop Flubber research" to limit PR damage.

EDIT: If you are really that worried- have Lizzie research the Anti-Cap AI. she's only a 10 drop in stats, and I'm betting the drop in Robo-Doppelganger we get from it will be more than 10. 100-38-30-3=29 or 28% failure odds, 18% odds with XP. If we satiate Jumba this turn, next turn he can work on the dropped Robo-research, and Von Drake can make the bodies, which won't risk flubber.
 
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Mattman324 said:
That was almost certainly an act. Pete can be a big asshole, and he's usually depicted as one, but his full villain roles are rare.

I think it's been mentioned he's more Goofy Movie in personality, and it has been a while, but I recall Pete in that being an asshole who, nevertheless, was actually friends with Goofy, and the one big awful thing he did was... tell Goofy that he was being fooled and that he should check for proof. Which was true. So...
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Yeah, as I said before, Pete is very flexible in the kind of his villainy, but generally speaking he is more of a small-to-medium-time nuisance on the lines of the Beagle Boys, not an actual high-profile or nationwide threat like the Phantom Blot or Magica De Spell. His two most genuinely villainous roles were as the Captain of the Guard in *Prince and the Pauper* and *Three Mouseketeers*, respectively. Other than those two he tends to be either a shady businessmann, a petty criminal or an overpowering authority figure like in his stint as drill sarge.
 
clockworkchaos said:
Bluntly, we have enough PR backlog we can take a significant drop. We have an army of Normbots, we could take the massive even, though we want to climb ourselves out of the hole.. Humans are bad as risk calculation. We tend to massively over weigh unlikely outcomes that scare us, compared to probably outcomes that don't. And right now, you are making that mistake. The 37% chance of a wasted action is a reasonable outcome that we should look to reducing. The 2% chance of a massive and 2% chance of a significant are not. Plus, even is such a circumstance, we are likely to have some sort of "publicly agree to stop Flubber research" to limit PR damage.
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I know that it is a small chance. I'm just saying that there are alternatives if we want to get AI research done. I don't care about the robo-doppelgangers, not really anyways. I want the AI so we can get rid of Norm's issues.

My concern is what Doom would do. What do you think that Doom would do with:
A) Doof "letting/having" a toon research Flubber
B) St. Canard in everyone's memories
C) the fact that Flubber has enough destructive power to destroy an entire island chain, killing millions

I've said before that I do not mind either way, but examining alternatives is a good idea.
 
TheGleeman said:
Yeah, as I said before, Pete is very flexible in the kind of his villainy, but generally speaking he is more of a small-to-medium-time nuisance on the lines of the Beagle Boys, not an actual high-profile or nationwide threat like the Phantom Blot or Magica De Spell. His two most genuinely villainous roles were as the Captain of the Guard in *Prince and the Pauper* and *Three Mouseketeers*, respectively. Other than those two he tends to be either a shady businessmann, a petty criminal or an overpowering authority figure like in his stint as drill sarge.
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Or, like, not actually villainous at all and just an asshole.

(He does have a few outright villainous appearances in various shorts, but it's not too common.)
 
MrHobbit said:
I know that it is a small chance. I'm just saying that there are alternatives if we want to get AI research done. I don't care about the robo-doppelgangers, not really anyways. I want the AI so we can get rid of Norm's issues.

My concern is what Doom would do. What do you think that Doom would do with: Doof "letting/having" a toon research Flubber, St. Canard in everyone's memories, and the fact that Flubber has enough destructive power to destroy an entire island chain.

I've said before that I do not mind either way, but examining alternatives is a good idea.
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Then just have Lizzie research Adaptive-AI instead. Having Von Drake do doppelganger-AI now is a terrible idea since it's the one action we know will have it's DC lowered if we do it in the correct order.
 
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