I don't think so. The secret clearly stated that we need to get his trust first or in other words loyalty for Goofy to tell us and as shown with Technors session with Mirage, Psychoanalize doesn't pump up loyalty and will only show the issues they had. Goofy's secret might not be an issue to them personally.
DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest
- Thread starter Made in Heaven
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They do have similar design aesthetics. I can totally imagine it.
To be fair that could have been about something else- but the fact that he specifically tried to reach out to us suggests that he's taking us seriously. I wonder if Shego's getting a similar offer right now?
Janna's still kind of unmotivated.
Star has vast magical power but little education or understanding of how to use it, you say?
Well, good thing that in the near future, we're likely to have Grunkle Malifishmertz (who has knowledge but, as a ghost, probably little power) and the girl who may well be her best surviving friend handy to help her study!
...When did Xanatos give us that warning? The auction invitation in the March/April rival report? Because he didn't say "lay off big spending," he said "set aside money for this sweet auction," as I recall. That's not the same thing. He's not saying "you're too poor to do much," he's saying "We've got some sweet stuff here and if you want to win the bidding war you'll want to come to the table with plenty of money."
Now, increasing our cashflow isn't a bad idea- not at all! But I think you're misinterpreting the 'warning.'
I mean, in fairness to Janna, she is Martial 47 in direct combat now. Her ability to break into a place and bust heads is nothing to sneeze at. Toffee's personally strong, but his biggest powers in a fight are regeneration and immortality... which don't directly translate into dishing out harm to the enemy, just into being able to survive failing waaay more Martial checks than a regular person could against a lethal-intent opponent.
I don't want Doof to rejoin the government... but it may help Doof in some ways anyway.
TimEd
Meteor maker
Tobe's char sheet is hilarious. Also limits his usefulness in weird ways if I understand his traits right.
I mean… I wasn't advocating the rejoin the government action to you in particular. I was more generally pointing out potential effects/benefits of improving Doof mental health and making him more introspective (the dc for government rejoin specifically stated it was for doof to think of it). while we are on the topic of Doofs therapy it would be interesting to see if he vents about the cause of Perry's death. it could potentially give insight into how far we were into the Phineas and Ferb series when we took over.For future reference, you probably shouldn't use rejoining the government as a selling point to me. I am explicitly against doing that
No harm done. Just trying to help you in the future. Analyzing Doof would probably be helpful in the future anyhow. He's got loads of issues to talk about.
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Eh, to be honest, almost every single queen beyond Jushtin (and a few specialized spells of each queen) generally made their spells off the cuff, like that time one of the queens tried to end her abusive marriage by creating a "break his heart" spell so he would divorce her except it literally broke his heart. He died screaming on the floor from internal bleeding
Star's problem is that she has no attention span for learning utility-based spells, as her magical evaluation with that cat-thing shows. She likes things that are cute, things that are deadly, and things that are cute and deadly, but simply doesn't have the patience to learn things that don't catch her attention. She gets better at that later on when she starts taking her responsibilities more seriously, but I doubt that "later on" happened here given that the divergence was probably early on.
Yeah that's what I am talking about. I want to see what others opinion about it. The money system in this Quest is vague and while it have some benefits, it also won't let us see the total amount of cash we currently have. This is the first time money will actually matters and I am just worried about can we afford the main auction item there or not if we buy a company because this is Xanatos that send the advice, like why did he send us that advice in the first place?
King Arthur
The Once and Future King
Keep in mind I haven't actually been around for a make a plan for the phase yet, so I could be misunderstanding how this works.
I think so, but we'd be working under the assumption that everythign passes, which isn't a guarantee, and their also isn't a "create a Robo-Hawk" and a "replace Hawk with Robo-Hawk" action yet, so we'd have to ask the GM for those action prior to making the plan.
It also depends on what kind of action actually building the bot is, it could theroetically be Intrigue for example, or if we are real lucky it might be bundled into the "replace Hawk with a Robo-Hawk action."
If it's a learning action, well, it takes two learning actions to fully learn how to make the bots and I don't know if we can get more national actions from hero actions. If it's any other type of action, we can totally do it, no problem.
Let's take a moment to remember Star's current circumstances.
She lost.
Her wand stolen, her family dethroned and possibly dead, she might be literally homeless at the moment, a friend of her's might be dead. Things are so bad she can't even stay in the same state anymore, she has to hide in the territory of some guy who literally calls himself evil.
Somehow I don't think dedication to training is going to be an issue for her.
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Dedication won't be. She's in her "angry war mode" from that one episode judging by the description. The lack of a wand and spellbook will be, since she probably hasn't learned how to cast spells wandlessly nor would she likely have learned to dip down yet.
I was more trying to describe the circumstances of canon Star, since Star vs. magic generally is off-the-cuff as I described. There are spells that have been planned on how to use, like Solaria making that spell-with-no-name, but most of them are pretty much just based on intent and emotion. The only ones the queens seem to have to "learn" outside of those special spells are ones they didn't create, and even those aren't fully replicable. No other queen was able to replicate Skywynne's grand control over time-based magic after all. Their spells are, overall, fairly personalized.
The idea pushed was that she would only need some kind of knowledge framework to learn more magic, and she probably could do that. Just saying that wasn't ever really the issue for her canonically since her magic usually didn't work on a specific framework other than intent and emotion.
My thoughts on Robo Hawk plans: It will take a hell amount of time to succeed. The fastest it can get is this
Research Adaptive Anti-Cape AI -> Research Robo Doppelgangers AI and Body -> Make Robo Hawk -> Replace Hawk with Robo Hawk. 4 Turn Total. 5 if we added whatever the Robo Hawk is going to do in L.A.
This plan is too long for my tastes. We need to deal with Doom now and Hawk is the best chance we got to attack him. With the media's attention all over Doom after his Mass Press, his reputation will be ruined once Hawk got exposed and many will doubt his earlier slander againts us.
Research Adaptive Anti-Cape AI -> Research Robo Doppelgangers AI and Body -> Make Robo Hawk -> Replace Hawk with Robo Hawk. 4 Turn Total. 5 if we added whatever the Robo Hawk is going to do in L.A.
This plan is too long for my tastes. We need to deal with Doom now and Hawk is the best chance we got to attack him. With the media's attention all over Doom after his Mass Press, his reputation will be ruined once Hawk got exposed and many will doubt his earlier slander againts us.
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Even if he's not really relevant to the quest, I'd like to see Bolt from... well, Bolt.
TimEd
Meteor maker
I think it best to assume that any amount requiring "normal" amounts if money can be afforded. There is a chance that the currency used for this auction isn't money but trade of favors, goods or even information.
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Luong Lao Shi (Grandpa) from American Dragon Jake Long, Krux from Spectrobes, I'll second the Oswald card suggestion, and Syndrome from the Incredibles 1. Sorry if I did that wrong. I was just trying to get franchises and characters that haven't been requested at all or much.
The magus bazaar is the one from American Dragon, so it should be a mix of bartering goods and money from what I remember of the show. Kinda curious how it's still around if the Huntsclan won, since they literally acquired an artifact that can wipe all magical beings off the face of the Earth. Probably weirdness involving having a King occupy the area whom values the bazaar.
If Jake died in this timeline rather than being captured or something else, I wonder if Haley would try to succeed him as the American Dragon in the long-run (assuming she wouldn't also be dead or captured in Jake's bad-end).
Also, if you guys really want a fortune-teller as a hero unit, getting the Oracle twins (descendants of Delphi) would probably be better than Raven Baxter. They can give off prophecies non-stop, though their prophecies are subjective and sometimes misleading.
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Are we sure that was a misfire?Eh, to be honest, almost every single queen beyond Jushtin (and a few specialized spells of each queen) generally made their spells off the cuff, like that time one of the queens tried to end her abusive marriage by creating a "break his heart" spell so he would divorce her except it literally broke his heart. He died screaming on the floor from internal bleeding
Because "die screaming on floor from magic-induced cardiac hemorrhage" sounds like a legit occupational hazard of being an abusive Prince Consort of Mewni. As far as I'm concerned, that was "working as intended."
Yeah, but we're living in a timeline where her whole life got turned brutally inside out, too. That's probably given her a lot of trauma to work through, but to paraphrase Jesse Custer...
That's the kind of thing that can sharpen your concentration.
We'd have to spend national actions. The good news is, they're Learning actions we wanted to take anyway, and they fit in with a lot of other goals.
The problem is that "slander Doom by outing Hawk" is a plan to hurt Doom, but it definitely won't finish him off. And we have to completely expend our advantage (knowing who Hawk is and where to find him) to get it.
If we want to beat Doom, "dealing with him" in the short term in a way that sacrifices a way to hurt him worse in the long term is not a good idea. He'll spend an action or two dealing with the fallout, then come back for more, and we'll have to spend more actions ourselves just to get into a similarly good position to hurt him.
Sometimes it's better to dig in deeper, so that you can undermine and blast the enemy higher.
Fair. I just want to do something to him after his Slander.
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It was a misfire. The only reason she married the guy was to maintain Mewni's alliance with the Lucitors. She even cast a love spell on herself before the marriage to make it bearable. He was just that bad. She wanted to make him divorce her so it wouldn't cause a diplomatic incident with her divorcing him.Because "die screaming on floor from magic-induced cardiac hemorrhage" sounds like a legit occupational hazard of being an abusive Prince Consort of Mewni. As far as I'm concerned, that was "working as intended."
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SolipsistSerpent
Endlessly Devouring
Since they're minor villains, maybe they only had a minor victory, like killing the hero, rather than a major one, like getting their hands on a reality altering device. Heck, with the way this timeline is, maybe another villain got to it first.
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The Huntsclan weren't minor villains. They were one of the two major antagonists, the other being the Dark Dragon.
They're minor in terms of not having a King in the DVV setting, but they weren't minor in the show itself.
SolipsistSerpent
Endlessly Devouring
I meant minor in this setting, because American Dragon doesn't seem as influential on the state of the world as, say, Gargoyles or the Incredibles.
Also, does anyone else find it weird that they all have a clearly magical birthmark but want to get rid of all magical beings?
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I think in-universe it was just a recessive gene that had the dragon birthmark somewhere on the body. Definitely a stretch if you care about "realism" in the scenario though
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Yeah, but if we have to choose between blowing him to bits in a year and immediately firing back after a month, I want him to go BOOM.
Imagine finding out he's a secret toon, quietly reprogramming one of his robots, and having it spray him down with about five gallons of Dip at a public event. That is what I'm aiming for.
In the short term we can, for example, reach out to the zaibatsu (to cut him off from potential allies) or Shere Khan (likewise).
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We should also, as part of the intrigue bits, try to see if we can set up something to take control and stabilize the area if Doom were to be assassinated or deposed. It wouldn't do to have a power vacuum with so many potentially warring factions and powerful organized crime around.
It's just a matter of priorities I think. I want to deal with Doom now to delay his Anti-Toon Propaganda. With his action last turn and the turn before that it's clear that Doom is just getting started and I want to make him scammering around doing damage control before he ruins Toon and our Reputation any further. Beside that we might be able to caught wind of another Hero of his later on that is more vital to his organization than a spy.
Also there is that person who control's L.A crime with ridiculous intrigue. He might gobbled Doom up during these 4-5 turn and then we would have suffered Doom's further slander for nothing.
I want to grab the chance before it get's away and this is the perfect time to do so.
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Edna Mode, the Underminer, and i would say Soos but with Oregon the way it is i don't know if he's an option
SolipsistSerpent
Endlessly Devouring
But if there's nothing mystic about it, there's no real reason for them not to recruit their family members who don't have the mark, right? Also a clear dragon mark that appears in different places on the body is way too complex for chance genetics, but the game is set in a pretty weird world.I think in-universe it was just a recessive gene that had the dragon birthmark somewhere on the body. Definitely a stretch if you care about "realism" in the scenario though
I guess it could be cultural, but it seems pretty limiting when you're going up against superhuman monsters.
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