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DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest

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If people will recall, Mirage was fine working for Syndrome until he tried shooting down the plane with Elastigirl and her kids. Methinks the change in the timeline here was that he actually succeeded in killing them, leading to Mirage deciding to defect because that was the line that she wouldn't cross. It leads me to suspect that the real change here was an issue with Edna's costume, since that's the only reason they survived in the first place.
 
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TirelessTraveler said:
If people will recall, Mirage was fine working for Syndrome until he tried shooting down the plane with Elastigirl and her kids. Methinks the change in the timeline here was that he actually succeeded in killing them, leading to Mirage deciding to defect because that was the line that she wouldn't cross. It leads me to suspect that the real change here was an issue with Edna's costume, since that's the only reason they survived in the first place.
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she would have had her neck snapped by Mr Increadible in that case
 
Cjdavis103 said:
she would have had her neck snapped by Mr Increadible in that case
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Why? Because he honestly thought that his family was dead when he grabbed her in the movie too, but Syndrome called his bluff so that he let Mirage go. And the only reason she had to go see him later in the movie was because his family was alive; if they were dead, she would have had no reason to see him afterwards.
 
TirelessTraveler said:
If people will recall, Mirage was fine working for Syndrome until he tried shooting down the plane with Elastigirl and her kids. Methinks the change in the timeline here was that he actually succeeded in killing them, leading to Mirage deciding to defect because that was the line that she wouldn't cross. It leads me to suspect that the real change here was an issue with Edna's costume, since that's the only reason they survived in the first place.
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There is every sign that Mirage continued working for Syndrome for at least a few years- for however long the elapsed time was between the events of the movie and the start of DVV Modern, plus maybe a few months.

A woman of her talents would not have remained in Syndrome's employ for literally years after the defining moment that made her want to quit.

My working hypothesis is that she had that "kind of mercenary" trait all along, and so her initial positive loyalty to Syndrome remained solidly positive until some shock related to the events of the movie, at which point it flatlined to zero but she did not defect. Then some more recent trigger dropped her loyalty massively again, down to negative, motivating her to quit.

[I suspect that Syndrome is not good at accurately assessing the loyalty of his employees, because he's a megalomaniac something-path instead of the more caring kind of megalomania Doof has]

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Remember that there are a lot of plausible endings to the movie that result in Syndrome victorious, Mr. Incredible dead, and his immediate family alive.
 
Yeah, every verse has multiple ways how (or at least points where) things could have gotten wrong enough for the villain to win

...say, one thing I don´t quite understand is Shere Khans pronounced disdain for Supers/Capes

Anyone got an idea what story in Talespin that could have caused?

It just feels overly passionate for someone as calm and collected as him, you know?
 
TheGleeman said:
Yeah, every verse has multiple ways how (or at least points where) things could have gotten wrong enough for the villain to win

...say, one thing I don´t quite understand is Shere Khans pronounced disdain for Supers/Capes

Anyone got an idea what story in Talespin that could have caused?

It just feels overly passionate for someone as calm and collected as him, you know?
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I think it was something along the lines of "Capes are unpredictable and dangerous and destabilizing"
 
There was an episode where Khan was kidnapped by a robot created by a scientist he'd dismissed as being a loon. Said episode also had Baloo trying to get the hero-worship back of a bunch of kids by pretending to be a Rocketeer knockoff; Bullethead something or other. Close enough to the cape set for Khan probably.
 
TempestK said:
There was an episode where Khan was kidnapped by a robot created by a scientist he'd dismissed as being a loon. Said episode also had Baloo trying to get the hero-worship back of a bunch of kids by pretending to be a Rocketeer knockoff; Bullethead something or other. Close enough to the cape set for Khan probably.
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that's probably a lot closer to the truth
 
TempestK said:
There was an episode where Khan was kidnapped by a robot created by a scientist he'd dismissed as being a loon. Said episode also had Baloo trying to get the hero-worship back of a bunch of kids by pretending to be a Rocketeer knockoff; Bullethead something or other. Close enough to the cape set for Khan probably.
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So he's a scaredy cat?
 
Another element I think is in play here is strategic.

Most of the Kings rule through a distributed megacorporation that effectively owns a large stretch of territory. Their assets are diversified by economic sector, if not always diversified physically. If a few metahumans fight a pitched battle, they may lose some buildings, but the profits get made up because all the insurance money goes to the construction companies they already owned anyway, and on net the damages sort of get smeared out into something that isn't critically threatening.

The only way supers can pose a destabilizing threat is by personally showing up and beating up the King themself (as happened to Syndrome). And for that to happen, a King usually has to screw up by the numbers (as happened to Syndrome) and have multiple committed, resourceful, and tricky individuals work together to bring about their downfall (as happened to Syndrome). Syndrome's defenses would have held up better if it had been just Shego's supers attacking and the Omnidroids hadn't been bricked by our third-party sabotage, for instance. And our sabotage, in turn, might not have been possible without the information divulged to us by yet another, entirely different fourth party.

So in general, Kings can be reasonably confident in the security of their holdings against rogue actions by supers.

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Shere Khan? For him the rules are different. He is effectively a very powerful oil executive, who only really rules in one stronghold (Cape Suzette) while controlling a vast network of aircraft, ships, and oil refineries.

Think about what that implies for the resilience of his assets.

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First of all, a lot of them are physically isolated, which means he can't rush reinforcements to them in a hurry. If the Masked Discombobulator starts flitting around from country to country, blowing up his flammable flammable oil refineries, there's not a lot he can do to stop the guy until a lot of property damage has already been done.

Second, his territorial stronghold, Cape Suzette, is a geographically confined area whose main security is that it's hard to approach overland and is guarded by heavy air defenses to prevent unwanted intrusion. A small group of disproportionately powerful infiltrators can do proportionately a LOT more damage to Shere Khan's territory than a similar group of supers could do to, say, the entire state of Utah... and Utah is only a part of Doof's territory.

Third, while many of the Kings have some special asset that can counter supers (nigh-unkillable toon minions, robot minions, capes of their own), Shere Khan doesn't have so many of those things, since he's basically just an anthropomorphic tiger ruling a corporation that consists mainly of anthropomorphic animals in general.

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So Shere Khan's assets are more vulnerable to guerilla action by supers. And his territory is more vulnerable to getting caught in the crossfire of superhero battles. And he doesn't have the kind of power and resources that translate directly into being good at stopping supers.

So no wonder he wants to keep them at arm's reach as much as possible!
 
I wonder if there wasn't some element of damage control either, she gets just enough of a leash to sidestep the stuff she considered truly out of bounds but saw what Syndrome does without her managing that.

Enough conscience to keep her leashed not enough to make her break out.
 
Yeah, we still don't know who it was that leaked that file. Only that they had an intrigue score of 42 and they weren't Sinatron or Mirage.
 
When it comes to Bill it is good to follow the 3 main rules when dealing with Fae.

1. Always be polite, as you don't want to piss them off.
2. Follow the laws of hospitality, as that is one of the few ways to avoid getting murdered.
3. Never under any circumstances agree to anything! Especially when it is vaguely worded in a manner that can be interpreted.
 
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