Out of curiosity do you think we could pull an assault on doom by creating and Animator-inator and changing his cogs and buildings into toons for a time? It just seems like a kind of thing Doof would do.
 
I simply cannot accept that "life goes on" for the rest of the world while the USA is a Disney Cyberpunk hellhole. It just makes no sense.

Okay, fine, nobody else has any megacorps or masquerades or what not. The world will still be vastly different from our own. Because the US government is barely able to project power in its own borders, let alone on a global stage like we do IRL. The American military is either gutted, with funding directed elsewhere, or rapidly decaying, unable to be supported anymore because the money simply isn't there. Vast swaths of the Midwest- vast swaths of vital farmland- don't exist anymore. And I doubt most megacorporations will restrain themselves from directing their attentions abroad, away from their immediate competitors.

So. The USA is no longer a player on the world stage. What does that mean? Several things:
  • A much reduced or outright lack of a US Navy patroling the high seas. Piracy is going to skyrocket: China or the UK might be able to protect their local waters, but worldwide? HAHAHA no. And as such, the security of the shipping lanes that we take for granted is suddenly in question. Expect the world economy to plummet from this alone.
  • Speaking of China, their number one rival has all but collapsed. No one is standing in their way. Expect most of East Asia to have CCP aligned governments for completely legal and non-intervention related reasons within a few years.
  • Oh, yeah, the Midwest is gone. We barely avoided a famine, and that's with Evil Science. What does that say about the rest of the world? China, India, and Brazil may be able to pick up the slack, good luck getting it anywhere, thanks to the aforementioned piracy.
  • And a whole bunch of stuff I don't even begin to know how to account for.
  • Overall, though, global tensions would skyrocket because Uncle Sam's barely there anymore.
The idea that the rest of the world remains in the status quo, while North America is decidedly not, breaks my suspension of disbelief like nothing else. If the US government was able to project a masquerade capable of covering up their sudden lack of food, self-governance, or ability to project force both military and economic, then they would be able to solve most of those problems outright.

The world that DVV Gridlocked takes place in will be vastly different from ours, and this difference will not be confined to just the US. Whether everyone else has their own Shadowrun-type problems, or are just operating without Uncle Sam looking over their shoulder, the status quo of IRL is dead and gone.

You are forgetting with the rest of the world also has access to magical bullshit super science bullshit and what not.
 
You know floating cities would be a way deal with the toxic jungle assuming cleaning up the BnL wasteland doesn't mellow out its keepers.
The Ohmu are perfectly good neighbors as long as you aren't a goddamn idiot near them. Start clearcutting things, destabilizing their ecology through large scale poaching, or kill even one of them and you will have a species of implacable organic tanks moving en masse. For twenty days straight without rest. Play nice and you will never have a problem.

The Toxic Jungle is... probably necessary. As was covered in the manga it was a networked, biological terraforming engine. It was set up by a failing branch of humanity and their custodian AI after the planet was so heavily despoiled and poisoned that the only sane choice was to do a full planetary reset, using an inbuilt kill switch on the new ecology once its work was done. The AI would 'Horizon Zero Dawn' and all would be well. I don't know how bad things are over there that someone would think that this was necessary, and I don't remember if it was mentioned within the thread, but they must have been desperate.

The Toxic Jungle isn't the problem. The problem is the cancer the Jungle is providing chemo therapy for, and our making sure the treatment doesn't kill the patient.
 
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The Ohmu are perfectly good neighbors as long as you aren't a goddamn idiot near them. Start clearcutting things, destabilizing their ecology through large scale poaching, or kill even one of them and you will have a species of implacable organic tanks moving en masse. For twenty days straight without rest. Play nice and you will never have a problem.

The Toxic Jungle is... probably necessary. As was covered in the manga it was a networked, biological terraforming engine. It was set up by a failing branch of humanity and their custodian AI after the planet was so heavily despoiled and poisoned that the only sane choice was to do a full planetary reset, using an inbuilt kill switch on the new ecology once its work was done. The AI would 'Horizon Zero Dawn' and all would be well. I don't know how bad things are over there that someone would think that this was necessary, and I don't remember if it was mentioned within the thread, but they must have been desperate.
maybe someone set it off when trying to steal it?
 
maybe someone set it off when trying to steal it?

Auto and the BnL wasteland probably triggered it. Considering they made the entire area completely uninhabitable.

The Ohmu are perfectly good neighbors as long as you aren't a goddamn idiot near them. Start clearcutting things, destabilizing their ecology through large scale poaching, or kill even one of them and you will have a species of implacable organic tanks moving en masse. For twenty days straight without rest. Play nice and you will never have a problem.

The Toxic Jungle is... probably necessary. As was covered in the manga it was a networked, biological terraforming engine. It was set up by a failing branch of humanity and their custodian AI after the planet was so heavily despoiled and poisoned that the only sane choice was to do a full planetary reset, using an inbuilt kill switch on the new ecology once its work was done. The AI would 'Horizon Zero Dawn' and all would be well. I don't know how bad things are over there that someone would think that this was necessary, and I don't remember if it was mentioned within the thread, but they must have been desperate.

The Toxic Jungle isn't the problem. The problem is the cancer the Jungle is providing chemo therapy for, and our making sure the treatment doesn't kill the patient.

TBF it wasn't actually us but probably the Time travel people from BnL whom screwed over the Midwest overnight.

and moreover the toxic jungle doesn't just kill humans but any non toxic jungle life forms. So all native Plant and animal life on earth's land masses will be wiped out. At least those on the American continents .

We'd be forced to migrate either under the sea or to other continents.
 
Auto and the BnL wasteland probably triggered it. Considering they made the entire area completely uninhabitable.



TBF it wasn't actually us but probably the Time travel people from BnL whom screwed over the Midwest overnight.

and moreover the toxic jungle doesn't just kill humans but any non toxic jungle life forms. So all native Plant and animal life on earth's land masses will be wiped out. At least those on the American continents .

We'd be forced to migrate either under the sea or to other continents.
We could also migrate into space or onto floating cities, but yeah, Toxic Jungle really dangerous.
 
Auto and the BnL wasteland probably triggered it. Considering they made the entire area completely uninhabitable.



TBF it wasn't actually us but probably the Time travel people from BnL whom screwed over the Midwest overnight.

and moreover the toxic jungle doesn't just kill humans but any non toxic jungle life forms. So all native Plant and animal life on earth's land masses will be wiped out. At least those on the American continents .

We'd be forced to migrate either under the sea or to other continents.
Perhaps, but right now toxic jungle is right now locked in by the BnL wasteland and the great lakes which means it can be contained/eliminated. Also in the movie, they also use fire to eliminate the spores to contain jungle.

The most difficult about the jungle are the bugs. Though depends on how driven and smart they are when provoked, we might lead/lure them to the great lakes like lemmings.
 
Perhaps, but right now toxic jungle is right now locked in by the BnL wasteland and the great lakes which means it can be contained/eliminated. Also in the movie, they also use fire to eliminate the spores to contain jungle.

The most difficult about the jungle are the bugs. Though depends on how driven and smart they are when provoked, we might lead/lure them to the great lakes like lemmings.
This is where I feel obligated to bring up the idea of giant orbital kill-sat lasers. For when you need to burn everything down there.
 
and moreover the toxic jungle doesn't just kill humans but any non toxic jungle life forms. So all native Plant and animal life on earth's land masses will be wiped out. At least those on the American continents .

We'd be forced to migrate either under the sea or to other continents.
Yes, but at that points its pretty much a mercykill. Its there for when no non-artificial ecology could prosper. The planet would have had to start from cyanobacteria and waterbears after ten million years of desolation.

You have a point with timetravel. It might have well been a misfired gun.
 
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A GIANT magnifying glass in Space should be good at burning those bugs like ants.

We might also need to check the underground for any burrowers so we won't have a surprise coming back to haunt us.
I mean, if you glass everything that'll probably kill the underground stuff too. That or we keep an eye on the area for a few turns and LAZOR anything that surfaces.
 
I mean, if you glass everything that'll probably kill the underground stuff too. That or we keep an eye on the area for a few turns and LAZOR anything that surfaces.
There is a reason why nuclear bunker are underground. Correct me if I'm wrong but I recall they can burrow and have a tunneling system not unlike ants and we don't know how deep and wide is the nest.
Plus those bugs are resilient as hell, maybe the couple surface ones and those near the surface are glassed, but the rest can block the tunnel and hibernate underground until a more favorable time and strike back when we don't pay attention on them.
Edit: we actually sort of have an answer to the tunnels now I think about it. Remember Stanley and his volcano? Let's fill the nest with liquid magma, it's fast enough that the bugs won't try to escape or block the tunnels with anything. Also it's a real method of killing ants and termites though they use liquid aluminum instead.
 
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For want of a sandwich-inator (good)
You built this device on the hunch that at some point in the indeterminate future, you're really going to want a sandwich. This is undeniably a terrible thing and you will not allow this awful, sandwichless future to take place. So you built an inator that will teleport a sandwich to the distant, uncertain future where you could really use that sandwich. For all you know, this quantum sandwich could save the world...
Mechanically, either transforms a failure to a bare success or ups the degree of success on a roll by one degree...but only where suddenly having a sandwich could noticeably impact the outcome. So a critical failure could become a bare success, a success a crit success, etc.

For want of a sandwich-inator (bad)
As above, but Doof goofed on the temporal/spatial coordinates and so either the needed sandwich just went to someone else and you are struck by the terrible knowledge about how your awful lack of sandwich possession is about to lead to your downfall, or somehow that sandwich finds its way into your hands when you really, really needed something else.
Mechanically, transforms any thematically appropriate failure one degree worse.
 
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It's a good thing we've currently got a balance of YES in our bank account.
Is our income listed as a number anywhere or is it just a general estimate to determine how easy actions like buyouts and hostile takeovers are?
The Toxic Jungle is... probably necessary. As was covered in the manga it was a networked, biological terraforming engine.
Okay, so we take the whole thing and teleport it to some other planet where it would do good instead of harm. Maybe Venus?

Problem solved.
 
Is our income listed as a number anywhere or is it just a general estimate to determine how easy actions like buyouts and hostile takeovers are?
An explanation for it is given in the mechanics informational post.
Money

Since you start out as the head of a megacorp, money will be no issue for the most part. I won't be tracking specific dollar amounts, so you should always assume that you have enough money unless you seriously screw things up. Of course, money can't buy everything, and some people won't be willing to sell. The DC for a corporate buyout, for instance, would be more indicative of liquidating some of your assets and attending boardroom meetings rather than trying to come up with the cash.
 
A note that Russ' trait won't proc on Doom himself unless Russ learns or has reason to suspect that he is a Toon. That being said, if the action relates to Toons in some way- which a lot of actions involving Doom might- then it will.
Did it proc when Russ was fucking with Doom's attempt to detect toons at the Sands Gala using the 'shave and a haircut' knock?

Nah, that's the point.

Wile E. Coyote has been failing disastrously for so long that it's become actively funnier for him to unexpectedly succeed at whatever it is that he's trying to accomplish.

Something I think of interest in Russ's revealed ability: it says "OTHER Toons."

Not sure if this is a minor typo, or if Russ is a secret Toon like Doom.
I've actually been seriously considering that possibility myself. Given that as far as I can determine he's not a canon character, strongly suggesting that me may actually be a canon character incognito... yeah. Plus, he's done some seemingly impossible things, like stay dry in a whale's mouth for six days.

Honestly, given that only the US having all the weird stuff under the surface makes absolutely zero sense and several of the entities that have had at least some influences came from overseas (Manhattan Clan, the American Dragon family, etc) then I'd say it's more likely that the Masquerades outside the US have been heavily reinforced to make sure that the same thing doesn't happen in other countries.
Or there's just a huge damper on a lot of the weirdness overseas. It's not that nothing happens over there, it's just not such a big deal (e.g. there are occasional anime toons spontaneously popping up in Japan and it's not a big deal, there are occasional Saturday Morning Cartoon-style supervillains popping up for Interpol or whoever to deal with but they're dealt with, and so on).

So life outside the US may be weird and colorful compared to real life, but it's a lot more recognizably normal.

Sky High relies on a single mechanism. A single failure point. Not a good design choice.
...I haven't watched the movie, but, uh... isn't the solution just to build your own floaty island, using whatever device Sky High uses to stay airborne, and then just... build... two of that device?
 
Did it proc when Russ was fucking with Doom's attempt to detect toons at the Sands Gala using the 'shave and a haircut' knock?

Nah, that's the point.

Wile E. Coyote has been failing disastrously for so long that it's become actively funnier for him to unexpectedly succeed at whatever it is that he's trying to accomplish.

I've actually been seriously considering that possibility myself. Given that as far as I can determine he's not a canon character, strongly suggesting that me may actually be a canon character incognito... yeah. Plus, he's done some seemingly impossible things, like stay dry in a whale's mouth for six days.

Or there's just a huge damper on a lot of the weirdness overseas. It's not that nothing happens over there, it's just not such a big deal (e.g. there are occasional anime toons spontaneously popping up in Japan and it's not a big deal, there are occasional Saturday Morning Cartoon-style supervillains popping up for Interpol or whoever to deal with but they're dealt with, and so on).

So life outside the US may be weird and colorful compared to real life, but it's a lot more recognizably normal.

...I haven't watched the movie, but, uh... isn't the solution just to build your own floaty island, using whatever device Sky High uses to stay airborne, and then just... build... two of that device?

Then you have to double all the other parts that keep it aloft and powered.

Think of it like building a car with two engines for some reason
 
Then you have to double all the other parts that keep it aloft and powered.

Think of it like building a car with two engines for some reason
Think of it as being like building a passenger jet with two engines for some reason.

...Which everyone does.

There's a reason why the market for single-engine aviation is basically limited to extremely light general aviation craft that are only flown by a handful of people at a time. Because it's a basic safety standard that when you build something where if the engine goes out everyone dies, you build it with two engines.

Cars have single engines. But in a car, having the engine go out generally won't kill you, and you can pull over at the first sign of a serious engine malfunction. An aircraft- or a flying city- has no such luxury.
 
You know, after rereading the lead-up to the casino heist, I am now of the opinion, that the next big name toon we want to recruit shouldn´t be Donald, but instead Pete.

Despite Doofs generally approachable demeanor, we´ll still need to do some of the shadier stuff that Ross or Monogram would be adverse to do because of their rather upstanding personality - meaning that we could use someone who is not afraid to sully their hands with (sometimes-not-so-petty) larceny... Who better for that than Disneys go-to bad guy toon for most of its illustrious career? Plus, the basis for our quests version of Pete seems to be his *Goof Troop* incarnation, which is just the right amount of petty crime and low cunning/street smarts.

Another - often understated - facet of Pete is the fact, that he is Disneys *oldest Toon still in use* (heck, he is about five years older than their mascot Mickey) and considering tDooms genocidal campaign of dipping every Toon that puts a toe outta line, Pete might be the oldest Toon still around *period* (even Betty Boop - who has got to be among the last B&W Toons still alive - is younger than him by about 5 years as well). That might not sound like much, but consider for one second the flatout *worship* Goofy gets from the surviving Toons for being the MOST FAMOUS Toon...now imagine the PR boots from us managing to get the OLDEST Toon to work for us as well.

Heck, despite being a villain/antagonist most of the time, Pete as an actor played a lot of different roles - bandit, used car salesman, train conductor, prison guard, general nuisance, ornery neighbor, drill sarge and more...a surprisingly wide array of roles for someone typecast as "the bad guy" in cartoon shorts which we could definitely use in many different ways.

And if he gets pissy about having a boss now, since his default persona seems close to Goof Troop, maybe Peg is still around and could rein in his worst excesses? Definitely something to think about
 
I've actually been seriously considering that possibility myself. Given that as far as I can determine he's not a canon character, strongly suggesting that me may actually be a canon character incognito... yeah. Plus, he's done some seemingly impossible things, like stay dry in a whale's mouth for six days.
It's highly unlikely he is a canon character in disguise. I believe it's already been confirmed a few times that he is one of the original characters that came about from the QM and other people playing a tabletop version of this scenario. MiH just chose to add the original characters in slightly modified to fit the new format.
 
Think of it as being like building a passenger jet with two engines for some reason.

...Which everyone does.

There's a reason why the market for single-engine aviation is basically limited to extremely light general aviation craft that are only flown by a handful of people at a time. Because it's a basic safety standard that when you build something where if the engine goes out everyone dies, you build it with two engines.

Cars have single engines. But in a car, having the engine go out generally won't kill you, and you can pull over at the first sign of a serious engine malfunction. An aircraft- or a flying city- has no such luxury.

OK and what if someone sabotages an aircraft main fuel line? Or fucks up its controls? Or any number of systems?

There's always going to be vulnerabilities in anything that can be exploited to cause massive damage if not a complete systems collapse even if you double everything and install redundancies that would only make the process a little slower.

I mean the fact that they have a flying city at all is impressive to double everything you wouldn't have much of a city more of a flying engine and that's about it.
 
Okay, so we take the whole thing and teleport it to some other planet where it would do good instead of harm. Maybe Venus?

Problem solved.
It would cook over there, just like everything else, unless you start it on aerostat colonies. Its optimized for chemical and radiological hazards to an absurd degree, probably more, but its going to need water in a liquid state in order to get started.

It was probably a general purpose terraforming agent back when mankind was still among the stars, though for obvious reasons we never get a look at that golden age to be sure, but it probably needed mankind to do the legwork with comet dropping and whatnot first. And I won't rule out it being designed specifically for re-terraforming Earth either though I don't know why civilization would remake the wheel there.

If we could get Mars in the ballpark though it could finish the job. Probably.
 
Is our income listed as a number anywhere or is it just a general estimate to determine how easy actions like buyouts and hostile takeovers are?

Okay, so we take the whole thing and teleport it to some other planet where it would do good instead of harm. Maybe Venus?

Problem solved.

You're trying to teleport hundreds of square miles of very hostile jungle to another planet.

That's not problem solved. That's an undertaking that's Functionaly impossible until we have acess to the resources of the entire US and specialized technology.
 
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