Maybe if Doom decides to target Doofenshmirtz's family like Vanessa, Roger and Charlene, Doof will be angry enough to execute Doom.

Or it could be kind of an accident like in the movie.

Just imagine it: Doom gets found out and goes all Large Ham trying to off Doof, only to accidentially fall prey to his own creation.

...Now I wonder how exactly he created Dip in the first place
 
Yeah, Pete using his own son as get-outta-jail-card is the only reason I can see how PJ got jailed in the first place.

As for where Spoonervile is, we only need to ask Goofy and/or Max. Since Goofy notes in one of his personal actions that Japanese cherry blossoms weren´t really a thing in Spponervile, it´s unlikely to be anywere close to the West Coast and there it should be far outside of Dooms sphere of influence.

So, in the end we might wanna look into both PJ and Pete to boost our Doof Troop/Star Toon Squadron as well as focus on bringing down Doom since he explicitly wants us dead as the only one outta all the Kings present. Sure, Syndrome (once he gets back into the game) might see us as a stepping stone on the way to crushing Shego - who as a Super definitely is high on his shitlist -, Sinatron (whose ascendancy to Kingship is fragile at best) might go after us in the hopes of securing the Chip after all and the rest will probably target us in the end because we are simply there, but DOOM sees us as his most troublesome opponent at finally ridding the world of Toons - therefore one of us two has to die in the end for the other to complete his objective.

Honestly, I´d really like to publically show the world that Doom is a damn hypocrite and then Dip him as karmic judgement.
Yeah.... can't see Doof approving of that.

I actually asked on the Discord and it's in Calisota according to Architect. I totally forgot about the fictional U.S. State... which is, according to The Dread Lord of the Discord himself, in Northern California. Specifically, It's Glomgold's territory. So, that may complicate or make easier getting P.J. out of jail depending on how you look at it. Glomgold seems like the type that would accept bribes but we probably want to try the law abiding way first. Unsure of how to approach this now, as Glomgold is neutral to us at the moment... until we find Donald probably. He might become hostile then, so we could probably still enact Plan #FreePJNow if we really want to.

I doubt Doof would resort to Dip, as I can't see him killing or sentencing someone to death.
 
Why people have a interest in Doof as a hard-edge. "Look at how killy I can be when I get angry." Badass is something I will never understand. Doof bumbling and tangentially science his way to victory, without ever once figuring out why Doom is his enemy is much, much more entertaining.

*Preferably helped by the diverse collection of hero units who have concluded that for the only person with Evil in his company names he's kinda terrible at it.
 
How the execution would go down:

Weasels walks into the warehouse right after the final battle finishes.

"Hey boss! Dip shipment showed up. Where you want iiiiii..."

Banana peel left over from fight finds itself underneath the henchman. The weasel slides forward and is stopped by the railing. The Dip however dose not.

BONK! SPLASH!

Insert "Oh, what a world" speech followed by awkward silence. After (somewhat) processing what happened Doof speaks his mind.

"Huh. Guess he was a toon."
 
Yeah.... can't see Doof approving of that.

I actually asked on the Discord and it's in Calisota according to Architect. I totally forgot about the fictional U.S. State... which is, according to The Dread Lord of the Discord himself, in Northern California.

...I really dislike the tendency of quests with their own Discords to release crucially important infos primarly there, creating an inequality between voters.

How hard can it be to just not do that and instead keep actual infos solely on the quest threads themselves?
 
...I really dislike the tendency of quests with their own Discords to release crucially important infos primarly there, creating an inequality between voters.

How hard can it be to just not do that and instead keep actual infos solely on the quest threads themselves?
It wasn't the QM who told me. It was one of the people who worked on the DVV itself I think. The discord isn't for the Quest either, we're only in one channel. The discord is for the Disney Villains Victorious setting as a whole. So, the QM could joss me on Spoonerville's location if they really wanted to.

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So to put in D&D terms, it's like if I asked the creators of it where a town was instead of my DM. It's good information in that it's apart of the setting the DM is working with in the first place, but the DM could change that if they really wanted to.
 
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How the execution would go down:

Weasels walks into the warehouse right after the final battle finishes.

"Hey boss! Dip shipment showed up. Where you want iiiiii..."

Banana peel left over from fight finds itself underneath the henchman. The weasel slides forward and is stopped by the railing. The Dip however dose not.

BONK! SPLASH!

Insert "Oh, what a world" speech followed by awkward silence. After (somewhat) processing what happened Doof speaks his mind.

"Huh. Guess he was a toon."

I choose to believe that Doof will conclude he was actually a robot/possesed ghost/nano-machines and refused to acknowledge anything else.

...I really dislike the tendency of quests with their own Discords to release crucially important infos primarly there, creating an inequality between voters.

How hard can it be to just not do that and instead keep actual infos solely on the quest threads themselves?
It's actually a lot harder than it sounds. Quest are a lot of work. I have one with much, much less data tracking and formatting and I still find it hard some times. Meanwhile, interaction is fun. So it's really easy to see a conversation on discord, chime in with something (say from your phone) that has relevance. Unless you remember to port every single thing you said, you start to get information disparity. Though as said above, this was apparently setting details? Though like, not sure if those are reliable, since F&P arn't working for us, for example.
 
It wasn't the QM who told me. It was one of the people who worked on the DVV itself I think. The discord isn't for the Quest either, we're only in one channel. The discord is for the Disney Villains Victorious setting as a whole. So, the QM could joss me on Spoonerville's location if they really wanted to.
What's the link to the Discord server again?
 
It wasn't the QM who told me. It was one of the people who worked on the DVV itself I think.

Doesn´t matter who exactly told you this *vital info* that will greatly influence our planning. People responsible for thequest mechanics just hiding important stuff in some distant nook of the net and expecting the voters to not miss anything - especially in a fluid medium like Discord channels - is simply bad form that will seriously destabilize the voting enviroment.

It's actually a lot harder than it sounds. Quest are a lot of work. I have one with much, much less data tracking and formatting and I still find it hard some times. Meanwhile, interaction is fun. So it's really easy to see a conversation on discord, chime in with something (say from your phone) that has relevance. Unless you remember to port every single thing you said, you start to get information disparity. Though as said above, this was apparently setting details? Though like, not sure if those are reliable, since F&P arn't working for us, for example.

...Simply exert a modicum of impulse control and DONT blab out infos vital plot stuff where it doesn´t belong? That´s Writing 101 for any aspriring author/DM, after all.

Honestly, if it´s so hard, just cut out the middle man and make the quest a Discord-only RP of some form. That way everyone is one the same page from the start and a level playfield is easily maintained.
 
Doesn´t matter who exactly told you this *vital info* that will greatly influence our planning. People responsible for thequest mechanics just hiding important stuff in some distant nook of the net and expecting the voters to not miss anything - especially in a fluid medium like Discord channels - is simply bad form that will seriously destabilize the voting enviroment.

As long as people cross-post the information, what's the real harm? Also, if you wanted to know where Spoonerville or other *vital info* was so badly for planning purposes, why didn't you ask in thread?
 
Look, I've had my times when I got frustrated about information sharing on Discord that doesn't make it over to the quest thread.

This isn't one of those times.

OK and what if someone sabotages an aircraft main fuel line? Or fucks up its controls? Or any number of systems?
If you look at how airliners are actually designed, they work really hard to ensure that just about the only single point of failure is the cockpit. the cockpit is still a problem, admittedly.

Seriously, look at it. Or [url=https://www.quora.com/Can-you-list-all-the-redundant-systems-in-an-airliner-and-describe-them]here. Or just in general search for 'airplane redundancy.'

There's always going to be vulnerabilities in anything that can be exploited to cause massive damage if not a complete systems collapse even if you double everything and install redundancies that would only make the process a little slower.
No, it actually helps enormously.

First, it means that random accidents are less likely to cause a crash. The vast majority of peacetime airline crashes are NOT the result of sabotage; they're just an accident. A mechanical part breaking down. This category of accident immediately goes from "everyone dies" to "petty shit that maintenance grumbles about" if you have systems redundancy.

Second, it means that random attacks are less likely to cause a crash. Many attacking enemies may not know the exact technical details of your systems, or may not have the luxury of carefully lining up their attacks against your greatest weaknesses. If the enemy in question has come for something else, or is launching a general military attack against your entire facility, or is some kind of mindless monster, then their attacks will (in effect) fall randomly on your systems. If your systems are all concentrated in one place, then one critical hit on their part, so to speak, means death for you- and their critical hit chance may be disturbingly high.

Third, redundancy means you can concentrate your strength to guard any remaining weak points more effectively. If the only non-redundant part of your system is the pilot, you can put the pilot in a heavily armored bunker box with a locked door and have a squad of guards standing outside the only entrance. By contrast, if ALL the parts of your system are single points of failure, then that weight of armor and manpower has to be spread out more. And the more spread out your defenses are, the more critical targets where "protect this or we die" is a factor. And the weaker your defenses are at any one point.

Fourth, it means that saboteurs have to work harder if they want to find a weak point. If the city only has one hover-engine, all they have to do is get into that one hover-engine, anywhere near it, and fire a bazooka rocket into it or something. Boom. If the city has six smaller hover-engines and can at least make a gentle touchdown on any three of them, then the saboteurs have to get into three separate firing positions in a short amount of time, before they get caught, while security is looking for them and guarding the remaining engines. Or they have to identify the single point of failure and get past the reinforced security discussed in (3).

I mean the fact that they have a flying city at all is impressive to double everything you wouldn't have much of a city more of a flying engine and that's about it.
You are making a lot of unwarranted assumptions about how big the relevant machinery is.

Or it could be kind of an accident like in the movie.

Just imagine it: Doom gets found out and goes all Large Ham trying to off Doof, only to accidentially fall prey to his own creation.

...Now I wonder how exactly he created Dip in the first place
If you want a way to kill toons, it's not exactly hard to figure out. All the ingredients are known forms of paint thinner and ink dissolver.

Doesn´t matter who exactly told you this *vital info* that will greatly influence our planning. People responsible for thequest mechanics just hiding important stuff in some distant nook of the net and expecting the voters to not miss anything - especially in a fluid medium like Discord channels - is simply bad form that will seriously destabilize the voting enviroment.
...Remind me again what this vital info actually was, and who said it?

Because it sounds to me like the person who said is not directly affiliated with this quest in any capacity, and that it's not directly all that important. What am I missing here?
 
Doesn´t matter who exactly told you this *vital info* that will greatly influence our planning. People responsible for thequest mechanics just hiding important stuff in some distant nook of the net and expecting the voters to not miss anything - especially in a fluid medium like Discord channels - is simply bad form that will seriously destabilize the voting enviroment.



...Simply exert a modicum of impulse control and DONT blab out infos vital plot stuff where it doesn´t belong? That´s Writing 101 for any aspriring author/DM, after all.

Honestly, if it´s so hard, just cut out the middle man and make the quest a Discord-only RP of some form. That way everyone is one the same page from the start and a level playfield is easily maintained.

I mean. It is in the fluff text section of the Google Drive in the US City Breakdown. I actually looked at that before and must've just skimmed over Spoonerville accidentally. Probably should just out and ask the QM Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego Spoonerville.
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Yo, QM, this info correct or is Spoonerville not in Calisota?
 
I'm at work right now, but I can confirm to everyone that Calisota is the 50th US state up near northern California that's under Glomgold's effective control. That's where Duckburg, Anderville, Spoonerville, and Mouseton are located. (Hawaii was 'destroyed' and is no longer a state.)

I'm also working on a FAQ post that'll explain some of the most frequently asked questions in one place.
 
As a point of clarification, the Discord is not for DoofQuest in specific. It's for DVV the RPG setting. We field questions on there and host games often.

I added a DoofQuest channel when the game began so people would have a place to talk about the quest that wasn't spilling over into general chat. It is not meant to cut people here out of the loop, but some users do use it to talk to each other and come up with plans. I can't help that but I can remind people that this is where the game is being run.
 
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Honestly I see discord chats as a way to quickly filter out the stupid ideas and only deliver the good ones to the thread, so that the thread spends less time on analyzing stupid ideas and more on good ones. Rapid Fire Brainstorming basically, as a sort of Think Tank.
 
Doesn´t matter who exactly told you this *vital info* that will greatly influence our planning. People responsible for thequest mechanics just hiding important stuff in some distant nook of the net and expecting the voters to not miss anything - especially in a fluid medium like Discord channels - is simply bad form that will seriously destabilize the voting enviroment.

Are you saying that everyone who has ever contributed to the setting - which has been around for literal years before this Quest - is beholden to come into this thread and infodump everything they have knowledge about, even though this Quest is subtly different from the setting it's based on, so some portions of Gridlocked might not even apply?

Because honestly, dude, that's kinda silly.

Doof Troop seems pretty good - automatic plus ten to all rolls these chuckleheads take together - but I wanted to see exactly how good it really was. Vanessa has the highest stats of the three of them, overall; though Janna beats her out in Occult and Intrigue and Max ties her in Stewardship, putting Vanessa as Quest Leader will consistently give the highest bonuses to rolls. More specifically:

Martial: +31

Diplomacy: +37 (+47 if dealing with "Fellow Youths", +57 if Max and Vanessa's"The In Crowd" Traits stack)

Stewardship: +28

Intrigue: +45

Learning: +41

Occult: +20 (+25 if researching new stuff)

Not a bad spread, overall! Occult's the lowest at 20-25, though considering the lack of any other Occult heroes besides Janna's +10, that's doubling our effective potential bonus, here. These three working together might actually be of a good amount of use to us, especially if their roll bonuses increase as their bonds deepen, as I suspect they might.
 
I have been asked to summarize the ZPE Discussion in the Discord on the thread.

-ZPE might be helpful in a lot of areas, since at a minimum the ability to make stasis fields and move stuff without it protesting or falling or something is really damn useful
-We have a bunch of other stuff we're doing right now, though, and it's high DC
-It's also Syndrome's baby, so he'll know we stole it from him if we research it and incorporate it into our stuff
-Ultimately, we don't know what it does outside of "stasis field" if we don't research it
 
As long as people cross-post the information, what's the real harm? Also, if you wanted to know where Spoonerville or other *vital info* was so badly for planning purposes, why didn't you ask in thread?

Because it still creates a two-classes society where some are dependent on the goodwill of others providing that info to them orbeing left hanging and operating on outdated and/or conflicting info...It´s simply horrid storytelling in a way.

Just imagine the author of your favorite story releasing vital plot point info somewhere you can´t reach and then everyone else accusing you of "not being a true fan"...doesn´t sound like "a small matter" anymore, right?

And I am not even going into stuff like paywalls or password-gating

...Remind me again what this vital info actually was, and who said it?

Because it sounds to me like the person who said is not directly affiliated with this quest in any capacity, and that it's not directly all that important. What am I missing here?

As I said, it´s the principle of the matter. I admit that calling the exact coordinates of a secondary (if not tertiary) location "vital info" was a bit sensationalist in its overexaggeration, but the basic point still stands to me.

Honestly I see discord chats as a way to quickly filter out the stupid ideas and only deliver the good ones to the thread, so that the thread spends less time on analyzing stupid ideas and more on good ones. Rapid Fire Brainstorming basically, as a sort of Think Tank.

Oh no, I´ve got nothing against using the Discord as brainstorming forum far away from the actual quest...that´d be simply a form of "thread hygiene", if you will.

What I get pissy about is essentially hiding away info that is liable to influence the course of action we are taking..."weighing the roulette table", to use another metaphor.

But again, the location of Spoonervile on its own might not be that important, as I said before.

Are you saying that everyone who has ever contributed to the setting - which has been around for literal years before this Quest - is beholden to come into this thread and infodump everything they have knowledge about, even though this Quest is subtly different from the setting it's based on, so some portions of Gridlocked might not even apply?

Because honestly, dude, that's kinda silly.


Please do not put words in my mouth.

I was asking people to exert a bit of caution what they reveal where...nothing more
 
I have been asked to summarize the ZPE Discussion in the Discord on the thread.

-ZPE might be helpful in a lot of areas, since at a minimum the ability to make stasis fields and move stuff without it protesting or falling or something is really damn useful
-We have a bunch of other stuff we're doing right now, though, and it's high DC
-It's also Syndrome's baby, so he'll know we stole it from him if we research it and incorporate it into our stuff
-Ultimately, we don't know what it does outside of "stasis field" if we don't research it

Thanks for doing this when I asked, it's a big help. Also, the Syndrome's baby part was my input. It's like his signature thing, so using it is like wearing a T-Shirt with"Yeah I Was Totally Involved With What Happened To The Gala" written on it. There's no other way we could've gotten a hold of the stuff sans maybe buying it from whoever an outsider thinks did it, which is still unlikely considering how powerful ZPE is, that anyone would willingly sell it.
 
Thanks for doing this when I asked, it's a big help. Also, the Syndrome's baby part was my input. It's like his signature thing, so using it is like wearing a T-Shirt with"Yeah I Was Totally Involved With What Happened To The Gala" written on it. There's no other way we could've gotten a hold of the stuff sans maybe buying it from whoever an outsider thinks did it, which is still unlikely considering how powerful ZPE is, that anyone would willingly sell it.
Tbf we've also been poaching from him, so one of our new hires might have told us, but that's still stealing from him.
 
Tbf we've also been poaching from him, so one of our new hires might have told us, but that's still stealing from him.
Fair, but that would depend on how close to chest Syndrome kept how his ZPE actually worked. I dunno if his ego would let him let anyone else know.

Also, another thing discussed in the discord is building our own theme park. Who doesn't want their own theme park? We can give free entry privileges to our employees and discounts to Doofania residents too to encourage loyalty.

My personal vision is that we can have rides in the Ride Zone, the Inator Zone for the more useless/harmless inators to be played with, like the one that lets you talk to whales, the Dinosaur Zone contains the Dinos, Toon Zone contains Disney stuff and movie theaters playing old toon cartoons as well as some real theatres for Toons to preform in. Also maybe a restaurant zone, but spreading those out in the zones themselves may be better.

There's been some names thrown around for it, Doofalicious Park, DoofLand, Little Drusselstein, Doofenshmirtz Evil Amusement Park, and Doofenshmirtz Evil Studio, but I'm now throwing in the ring The Perry the Platypus Memorial Theme Park because it just occured to me and made me giggle.

Either way, the one thing that everyone can seem to agree on is dinosaurs, so we best have Doof marathon the Jurassic Park series as a company movie night so he knows what not to do whenever we make this park.
 
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