LiamOfOrmonde
67% lewd. Oh my!
- Location
- Florida Sometimes
You know what? Let's just assimilate all of the crime.
DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest
- Thread starter Made in Heaven
- Start date
- Crossover
J.I.M.S
BookWyrm
- Location
- Latveria
They don't have to respect Doof if they fear him. The plan is to set Norm to assimilate and he terrifies me.
- Location
- Wherever I feel like being
- Pronouns
- He/Him
We don't know, be cause we have no information on the criminal underworld.
- Location
- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
To add on to this point, if this were a line vote rather than plan vote, Crush Organized Crime would be winning 37 to 25 (subtracting the user who approval voted). People are definitely swayed by the railroad and other smaller points more than supporting assimilate.
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kfrar
Aspiring Encyclopedia
I would mind. Even ignoring all other points of the argument on Assimilate vs Crush, Crush has a chance of failure, and I don't want to fail to get our crime under control this turn.
I really don't want to fail that.
The issue with crush and underworld contacts is that underworld contacts are in contact with a lot less of the underworld when all organization in the underworld has been crushed.
We can get criminals on the ol' intel payroll either way, but assimilate with leave us with far more useful criminal contacts.
They can infiltrate our PMC now, if they like. The ones who can stand getting yelled at by Khan, at least, which is to say the dangerous ones.
Or they can just live here. The average Doof Criminal probably isn't sitting in on Doof's board meetings, so this isn't exactly a glaring and novel infosec weakness.
I do have one more argument in favor of Assimilate - one that does not require you to trust me, some random guy you've never met, or any other particular voter. But first, I ask you to consider two points.
First, while Doof does engage in petty evil - your daily reminder that the sun no longer shines in Doofania because Doof thought industrial smog looks neato - he does care for his citizens:
So while Doof will engage in his evil, he will not do anything to endanger his people.
Second, while Doof can be convinced to act out of character... well. Just this turn, we got a new option to rejoin the Union. Now, given how thrilled Uncle Sam would be to have us back you'd expect the DC of the action to be, like, 2, but it is not.
It's 250 because bowing to Uncle Sam is so out of character for Doof that he'd need some Lucifer-tier persuasion from his employees to consider it. That's what OOC actions look like for Doof.
So putting these factors together, and looking at the DC 30 Assimilate Crime action, we can conclude that assimilating crime is not OOC for Doof. So, since Doof doesn't pick policies which endanger his people, we can conclude that if Doof assumes control of Doofania's crime, Doofania's crime will be next to harmless.
And when our heroes see that the crack dealers and pimps of Doofania have been replaced by Doof Crime™, I expect most of them to be sanguine on the matter. Minor loyalty hits to Russ and Monogram, maybe. Hego, if he notices, so probably not. Minor loyalty gains from Max and Janna on the cool factor, perhaps, or Technor for the petty evil factor. Overall? I don't see that side of things mattering much.
The main question is, do you trust Doof when he suggests that he take over Doofania's crime? Because I do.
One thing that I will say in favour of crushing crime is that inventing a flying car will cause us to lose a little bit of reputation with the government and crushing crime would even things mean out
- Location
- Wherever I feel like being
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Yes I really would care. Stick to your guns man. Also, why do you think that any of the other kings would allow us to actually take overt action on their turf? Shego would go ballistic becuase you're saying that she can't handle her problems herself. And Doom... I honestly don't know what the psycho would do.
Which, hey, we can do if we assimilate the local criminal underworld too.
- Location
- Pennsylvania
The action is investigate the Middleton Drug Ring, not "deal with the Middleton drug ring." Same thing for the one in LA.
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- Location
- California
These two polls had Assimilate at #1 and tomorrow at #2, with crush being 3 and 4
- Location
- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
Once again, no it didn't. Look at the actual plans. I said that the Tomorrow plan itself is behind, but the Crush action (meaning not just the one plan) is consistently way more popular than the Assimilate action. People are splitting because of the railroad and other things, not because they support assimilate more than combat.
- Location
- England
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Habstab already said it wasn't a major part of his plan, he'd be sticking to your guns not his.
If we were even thinking of doing anything on Shegos turf I recommend telling her from the beginning and trying to make it a joint operation against 'mutual nuisances'. As for Doom I hope it makes him furious.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Yeah, but Tomorrow isn't lagging by so much that it can't pull ahead if, say, the Maximum vote splits 20-to-16.
J.I.M.S
BookWyrm
- Location
- Latveria
Errrr that's dark bud. A big gripe peps have is how dark the underworld can get or how they just don't want to deal with the practical issues that come with organizing crime.
If posterinos crush crime and then decide to experiment on inmates I can't stop em but stopping crime and then proceeding to commit a crime that'll definitely get the governments attention, the other King's attention and I feel far larger loyalty maluses all around. (Assuming Doof gets found out of course.)
What I'm getting at is I think unethical experiments on people is way worse than taking assimilating crime. Dang.
- Location
- USA
Thank you for believing in me!
- Location
- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
Habstab
HabStab
- Location
- Richmond, MO
Yes. But, we'll probably try to tell Shego about it if we succeed on it. Unless she's behind it somehow.
Yeah, I really don't care about assimilating crime. Like, I'm really close to just switching it. I actually was going to switch it before I was told not too.
- Location
- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
@Habstab @TempestK @KA$H Here, I'll count it manually for you since you don't seem to believe me.
Assimilate has these plans: Maximize (25), Incorporating Evil (1) = 26 votes
Crush has these plans: Tomorrow (23), Maximize Morally (10), Double Quest (2), Increasing (2), Syndrome (1), Hard Work (1), Wait for It (1) - 3 for the approval voter who went for three of these plans = 37 votes
J.I.M.S
BookWyrm
- Location
- Latveria
Fudge I had it open in another tab, forgot to press post. My bad.
This whole thing made me amend it so the policy point includes Doof Crime™. Liked a lot how you framed things.
Habstab
HabStab
- Location
- Richmond, MO
I do believe you. I just don't want to upset people who voted for my plan because it inlcuded Assimilate Organized Crime.
Mojave
BWAAAH
- Pronouns
- He
"A new hero statblock?"
Perry the Platypus
Stats
Martial: 17 (As the top OWCA agent, Perry has years of combat experience, only somewhat hindered by the fact that he's a small mammal.)
Diplomacy: 6 (Adorable, but incapable of human speech. Gestures can only get you so far.)
Stewardship: 6 (All of Perry's practical needs are taken care of by the Fletcher brothers. They even clean out his litterbox!)
Intrigue: 25 (He is a secret agent, after all.)
Learning: 14 (Perry is an intelligent and skilled problem solver, though no good at the hard sciences)
Traits
They Don't Do Much: +20 to any intrigue rolls that require Perry to blend in, hide in plain sight, or otherwise look inconspicuous.
Known Preferences
Two Boys and Their Platypus: Perry will never take any actions that result in the harm of Phineas and Ferb, nor through inaction will he allow harm to come to them.
"Perry the new hero statblock?!"
Perry the Platypus
Stats
Martial: 17 (As the top OWCA agent, Perry has years of combat experience, only somewhat hindered by the fact that he's a small mammal.)
Diplomacy: 6 (Adorable, but incapable of human speech. Gestures can only get you so far.)
Stewardship: 6 (All of Perry's practical needs are taken care of by the Fletcher brothers. They even clean out his litterbox!)
Intrigue: 25 (He is a secret agent, after all.)
Learning: 14 (Perry is an intelligent and skilled problem solver, though no good at the hard sciences)
Traits
They Don't Do Much: +20 to any intrigue rolls that require Perry to blend in, hide in plain sight, or otherwise look inconspicuous.
Known Preferences
Two Boys and Their Platypus: Perry will never take any actions that result in the harm of Phineas and Ferb, nor through inaction will he allow harm to come to them.
"Perry the new hero statblock?!"
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Honestly I don't think most people feel strongly one way or the other
Personally I would rather that either of the Maximize plans win rather than Tomorrow which is getting worryingly close
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Eh, I was planning to experiment on them by plunking them down in front of a giant orange robotherapist who will now have something to do in the free time of TECHNOR, THE MECHANICAL MAN!
It's up to you who to believe; who and how many people are telling you not to?
It's up to you who to support. Personally I think that by keeping it as-is, you're choosing the preferences of a small outspoken minority of Assimilate fans over a larger majority. Again, note that "assimilate" has consistently lost in head-to-head votes against "crush" in the past.
Think about all the discussion before you made your plan. How much of it was about "assimilate versus crush," and how much of it was about other issues like the Toontown Railroad and Blue Hawaii? I would casually estimate that there was like 10-20 times more discussion on the latter issues. Your plan is so popular because it handles those issues well. That's your strength, and the people who don't like it, well, they mostly voted for another plan entirely.
Most people are either like you (and don't care) or like me (and favor 'crush'). There totally are people who strongly favor assimilate, I'm sure... But there aren't many outspoken in favor of it, while about 12+ people have already defected from your winning plan over the past three hours just because of their own preference for 'assimilate.' Despite the risk of a vote split.
- Location
- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
That's fine. I would (and have been) upset if someone pulled the rug out from under me as well. I was just trying to prove that "Tomorrow has been losing means Combat is less popular than assimilate" is false, and I saw you and Tempest both gave a like to Ka$h's post that said I was wrong. The thing that's splitting the vote is the lack of Toon Railroad, not being less popular than assimilate.