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I'm not sure this forum game is a great place to get into my opinions on governments and society, so I'll just say we can agree to disagree on that front.
DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest
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There are easier, and less likely-to-backfire ways. And, besides, it's our daughter we're talking about. Do we really want her formative experiences tied to DRUSSELSTEIN? I mean, we had that, and look how it turned out for us!
Fair. I doubt people want this quest into a debate on political philosophy. In the end it doesnt matter to much.
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…speaking of Bill,actually, I wonder if inter dimensional tech would give us a chance to find that dimension Ford visited in Journal 3 that's supposed to be similar to Bill's original one (which was basically Flatland, of course)
Could lead to some interesting insight even if we can't quite interact with them, being 3D as we are.
Could lead to some interesting insight even if we can't quite interact with them, being 3D as we are.
I think it is incorrect to say that he hasn't done anything to make the Tri-state area actually independent of Federal authority.
There was something with Taxes, where Doofania citizens don't pay their taxes directly to government, but instead DEI pays for them. Having robot police on streets without jumping through all legal hoops to implement something like this is also what I would consider as being independent.
I would not be surprised if under government authority things like installing laser turrets on roofs would have become higher DC due to all necessary paperwork and negotiations that would accompany it.
In a DVV campaign run by C-Moon, Doof decided to invade Middleton with a horde of Normbots to claim the rest of Colorado. The invasion was crushed and DEI was made public (lest Doof be assassinated or jailed) and Doof was reduced to a powerless figurehead.
The taxes are still payed to the federal government. DEI just acts as an accounting service. The robot police are only a thing in Danville.
There would be no difference between the DC before or after ceasing declaring independence because Doof doesn't actually manage that. He is completely uninterested in running a government. The only thing stopping declaring independence would change is that Doof would stop saying he is the Dictator of the Tri-State Area.
I've said this on the Discord, but I have to congratulate the QMs for writing Doof's perspective so well that the readers fall for it. Doof has power, yes. But is is not as the ruler of people or a government or whatever. It's as the CEO and owner of a megacorporation.
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This has lead to me the interesting train of thought where Technor gives Bill therapy. I very much doubt we can ever accomplish it, but it's fun as hell to imagine!
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... do you think we have any animal rights activists against us?
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We hired Cruella for a reason!
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Aha, yeah, Cruella, noted animal lover. She'd NEVER skin puppies, nope…
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Monogram was against us
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Monogram was more of an animal wrongs activist. They lost Agent T last november, for god's sake.
And the fact that he was able to gather his troops and move them without issue to the border of Middleton points toward him having actual control of his territories. That he lost and was subsumed back by the government is not really argument against him being ruler before it.
If he is CEO of Megacorp and said Megacorp is basically owns a state (provide food and manage taxes) then he rules it. The more power corporation gathers the more indistinguishable from the local government it becomes. Unlike other CEO Doof is just being somewhat honest (if only for the wrong reasons) about it.
Perhaps his claim of total independence is somewhat questionable, but him being ruler of Tri-state area is not wrong. America's government ability to overthrow him, does not make him not ruler. It can do it to other actual rulers too.
Honestly i want to know. Whats doof gonna do when we get a documentery
No, it means he was able to act quickly enough that the Feds didn't swat him before he arrived at Middleton.
That doesn't mean he rules the area at all. It means he just provides those services. He doesn't pass laws that people bother with. The only place that Normbots actually patrol is Danville.
Alright. In any case.
Because you continue to not read between the lines, here is C-Moon saying it directly.
The Tri-State area is in no way whatsoever independent. There is a reason why Mirage, who is much better attuned to the background of the situation than you ever will be, knows the Tri-State area is not independent. She called it "delusions of grandeur."
Also, do recall that the only outcomes of taking the action to officially rejoin the US government are to reduce opinion maluses with the Feds and to reduce pro-Federal government loyalty maluses. There is no other effect because it changes nothing.
What it does is make society more stable and less likely to explode and kill millions because Doof isn't actively threatening the stability of the jenga tower by proclaiming his delusions.
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There's a difference between ruling and having incredible influence over. Fundamentally, Doof doesn't get involved in affairs of 'state'. He doesn't deal with the criminal justice system, or make actual laws, he just exercises his power when he wants to and mostly gets his way.
That is definitely real power, and it is especially concentrated in the Tri-State Area. In fact, people in there like him. But they don't consider him their ruler, merely 'their guy', in a sense. He doesn't actually get paid taxes in any real sense- 100% of what's sent to him goes directly to the federal government.
The local government is very clearly a distinct entity, even if it doesn't want to move against Doof. It acts on its own, not as part of the megacorp, it's just utterly beholden to the megacorp.
Fundamentally, I do see where you're coming from. I personally have some anarchist leanings, after all. But the problem is that Doof doesn't actually have the capabilities that Cipher does, and secondly that 'no rules no restrictions' doesn't actually make sense? Sure, you can minimize rules, you can keep everyone immortal and having fun, but you also need to prevent them from hurting one another.
Now, do you, strictly speaking, need a government for this? Maybe not, maybe you can rely on self-governance and acting in good faith, for the most part. But even if Doof was thinking of that (which he's very clearly not, by the way. He wants no rules on him, not no rules on anyone), he just doesn't have the social capability to manage such a thing, and sticking to his delusions won't help with that.
Fundamentally, I'm not even saying that Doof should stop helping people. Heck, he can still help people in ways that might make the government unhappy, I'd find that fun. I don't want to be a number go up optimizer. But claiming something incorrect out of pride doesn't actually help people. All it does is make it more likely that he won't be able to help people, and keeps him stuck in the past, instead of being able to help/rule over people properly.
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It's worth noting that there is a limit to how much can be obtained from following the Crossroads or Ohana Game logs. DoofQuest derives a lot of its DNA from both, of course, but the scenarios are different and are expected to continue differing. (Is that proper grammar? Oh well.)
Anyways, I wouldn't worry too much about what's happening in those games. Especially as Doof's downfall was a part of the many D100 rolls to determine who did what during the period the party was away from Earth. My International campaign is also becoming a slight influence on DoofQuest because I've been using it as an excuse to sort out what's happening in other parts of the world.
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Oh yeah, I don't think that part about rules makes much sense either. When I wrote this I was including under being "a nice dude" an understanding that for a party to actually last forever and remain fun, you need at least some ground rules, or the party will crash and burn (like Bill's home dimension).
But it might not be fair of me to conflate these things because that has more to do with emotional maturity and respect for others (which to be clear I believe Doof also has) than with niceness, per se. It's just, even at his most irresponsible and petty, Doof had more respect for human life (and lack of casual sadism) than Bill has, you know? Which is not a large bar to clear, but there you have it. Not being an omnicidal maniac counts for a lot on a god-like being.
And yeah, Doof is nowhere near as powerful as Bill, he needs a full summer afternoon to build an inator, while Bill can just snap his fingers and reareange reality. But the limitations on what they can materially accomplish (namely, everything up to conceptual objects on a universal scale) are pretty close.
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Except Doof has no real control over his inators once built.
There's a reason we have negative inators.
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That, as well. And the fact that Doof can be killed while Bill simply can't. Doof with an inator loses versus a person with a gun half the time.
I'm not trying to say that Doof IS omnipotent, I was saying desiring to be one is not bad, and that Doof can already accomplish many of the otherwise-impossible feats that these reality manipulators can (with time, and usually in an amusingly goofy manner).
Doof already permanently expanded the size of every object in the universe at least once, after all (for context, he was trying to spread the smell pf dirty diapers on a local festival because he couldn't hear his jingle over the noise).
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First off, not all the wackier Inators and schemes are canon here. Second of all...
Doof is not really capable of setting these ground rules, is what I'd say. Like, his rules for the Tri-State Area are just... keep on doing what the local government says, fundamentally. He doesn't really set new ones, or change the old ones. And, frankly, he's more likely to start actually making new rules if he recognizes that he hasn't been really making new rules so far. He'd genuinely be more effective in exercising his will if he just did it directly instead of making proclamations.
The time span really is key though. Like, theoretically, a benevolent, not evil Bill could get away with starting that kind of chaos, because he can always exercise his will perfectly well. But Doof, if he tried to create that world, couldn't do it without consequences, even if he had full control of his Inating. People would still get hurt in the in-between times.
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Might want to collab with Olympia on this with Alan? Could be a decent way to progress his arc, gain some income, and further improve Olympia relations.
Plus security upgrades for our OS is probably going to become very important if we are making sentient AI, don't want them hacked or exposed to virus.
And if we are going to do a non-active infiltration of Solanacaea next turn like some suggested then it all lines up.
Depending on the hero we might even autopass with XP. Alan is a 50 without XP, while we have Doof and Ludivine as another 58. Thats a base roll of 108. If they have a learning of at least 12 on it, we can guarentee a success! If its 21 we just autopass.
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Regarding the whole "invade Drusselstein or not" ordeal, I will say I certainly see the appeal, especially since Doof can theoretically declare himself the Holy Roman Emperor if he succeeds on the basis that Drusselstein is the last member state of the HRE, but my main concern is...if we do that and also give up control of DEI, we'll be in far weaker position to do anything about the current things plaguing the US currently. I'm talking about Doom's Anti-Toon Crusade, Zootopia's increasing phobia towards predators, whatever the hell is going on in Oregon, etc.
