I'm also on Team "Let's colonize empty dimensions instead of contested territory", but also with the Doof in The House objective, I'm still on Team "Let's become President of the United States of America" as well, simply because it's possible. Hell, becoming President and invading empty worlds are not mutually exclusive arrangements. Although these objectives are a bit beyond us right now. Becoming President and world hopping puts us on Toffee and Potentially Existing King Andrias Leviathan territory.
 
I've said something to this effect not too long ago, but just to confirm, I am also all in for taking over Drusselstein.

I mean, what's the point, though? Like, what is the practical benefit of owning our own nation?
No laws, no need to uphold the Masquerade, no need to deal with any other governments or Kings to make the stuff we want happen. An escape strategy for if things go bad with the U.S. government. Negotiating leverage, even, by having the option to move our assets out of the U.S.

If they take him down, they set a precedent none of the other Kings will like, and, well...The feds could probably take any one King, but not ALL OF THEM. Doof is not a feudal lord, he is a CEO. And he should come to grips with that.
That's... Pretty much the definition of what a feudal lord is, though.

...imagine how much cool guy cred we'd get in the multiverse for making Drusselstein into a livable place.

Holy cow.

Okay, you've convinced me. I'm in.
Yeah, that was one of my reasons as well: Drusselstein sucks. How many young boys are currently being raised by ocelots there? Because yeah, Doof's parents sucked, but the entire nation's culture sucked as well. If we just bulldozed the entire country's culture and put a new culture in, nobody would mind (that can do anything about it).

Then we wouldn't have to worry that we might not be able to get AI rights in the US, we can just give them rights. We can ensure Toons get a safe haven from discrimination, help hide magical beings from the Huntsclan.

We literally have the technology to rebuild Drusselstein into a better, healthier place. We just have to choose to use it.

About the Drusselstein invasion, right now we are in US's backyard so no one international care what we are doing. But if we invade another country even if it's Drusselstein, other countries won't treat us with kiddy gloves like the US.
No, it's explicitly stated that no one would care because no one recognizes Drusselstein's existence.

The downside is, it's Drusselstein, and, seriously, guys, owning Drusselstein is kinda like owning a crocodile. Sure, it seems fun, but, like, where are you gonna keep it, what do you feed it, how do you get it vaccinated, hell, are you even zoned to own one?
We own a Goozim. Gary the Goozim is an asset to us. We also have a dragon living in our city, that's also an asset. Heck, we have a dinosaur cavalry Private Military Corporation.

My point is, there are many advantages to owning dangerous predators, and they outweight the problems you're bringing up. There is very little point in being a mad scientist if you cannot own a crocodile pit.

Is it? The term used was "Feudal Lord" not "King." Feudal lords having enough power that the King has to pacify them because he can't take all of them at once, is a pretty common set-up. In this case the King would be the US Government.
Pretty much. The U.S. Government can't even touch Shego, who is an actual internationally wanted criminal. Even if the U.S. Governments decided to take out DEI as a player, the damage we could do on the way out just by unveiling the Masquerades they know we know about is catastrophic, and that's taken into consideration.

Uncle Sam is not going to pick a fight unless we force them to, and continuing to do what we've already been doing since Quest Start and calling ourselves Doofania is not that.

I'm also on Team "Let's colonize empty dimensions instead of contested territory", but also with the Doof in The House objective, I'm still on Team "Let's become President of the United States of America" as well, simply because it's possible. Hell, becoming President and invading empty worlds are not mutually exclusive arrangements. Although these objectives are a bit beyond us right now. Becoming President and world hopping puts us on Toffee and Potentially Existing King Andrias Leviathan territory.
My one concern is that once we have the Portaltech, the U.S. Government may take an interest in a way that we wouldn't like. What happens if they claim the portal is "a matter od national security" or something? I'd rather sidestep the issue and have it out of their territory.
 
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"Excuse me, do you know when my prescription will be ready?"
We really need to get the A "Pharmacist" objective.
Although I suppose taking over the local healthcare so we have minions to deal with such people is an acceptable stop-gap.

"I should be thanking you. For what you have done, Doctor Doofenshmirtz."
Thinking on it the list of people who have ever actually thanked Doof, sincerely and seriously, is probably very short indeed.

"Your subject is doing just fine, Daimyo."
The most boldfaced lie I have seen in quite some time.

"I'm not really all that much of a lord."
I disagree. Petty and scatterbrained he might be but Doof is a ruler who genuinely seems to care about the people under his rule. Which is a damn sight more than can be said for most of the people running the show, elected or otherwise.

"I will tell you the tale of my birth."
No wonder they bonded, she is sharing her tragic backstory. Even Monogram thawed out after he and Doof shared backstories.
 
Kitsune's landlords seem like pretty cool people

Also, random thought from a while back, would "Develop Dinosaur leather clothes" be Learning or Stewardship?
 
Wel, that sounds extremely ethical and not at all like something with troubling real-worod paraells!
... Considering Doofeshmirtz is Drusselsteinian, not really? At best it sounds like Victor Von Doom's takeover of Latveria, "exiled brilliant scientist who fled to the U.S. returns home to modernize his country" sort of deal.

Also, again, Drusselstein is actively harmful to minors, and terrible to everyone who lives there, unless we change it. Improving Drusselstein is pretty unequivocally a good thing.

And quite honestly, I think the Drusselsteinians would honestly appreciate getting conquered by Gengis Khan? It's exactly the sort of barbaric appeal to tradition that their culture seems to be built around. And Khan would enjoy the opportunity to go old-school warlording on somebody as well, so I see it as a win-win.

I would much rather try to grab another planet in another dimension then rely on Worst country
Problem with that is that trying to grab an inhabitable planet draws retaliation from the Multiversal Wars Kings, and we are not ready to play at that level yet.
 
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... Considering Doofeshmirtz is Drusselsteinian, not really? At best it sounds like Victor Von Doom's takeover of Latveria, "exiled brilliant scientist who fled to the U.S. returns home to modernize the country" sort of deal.

Also, again, Drusselstein is actively harmful to minors, and terrible to everyone who lives there, unless we change it.

And quite honestly, I think the Drusselsteinians would actually appreciate getting conquered by Gengis Khan? It's exactly the sort of barbaric appeal to tradition that their culture seems to be built around. And Khan would enjoy the opportunity to go old-school warlording on somebody as well, so I see it as a win-win.


Problem with that is that trying to grab an inhabitable planet draws retaliation from the Multiversal Wars Kings, and we are not ready to play at that level yet.
So grab an uninhabited one? Also, I feel you are somewhat handwaving the problems of actually running a country. Doof, remember, still has a trait that HALVES his Stewardship on non-corporate actions, we've just negated it. I feel like if he actually tried to run a country...Well, there's a lot more to running a nation then being able to build cool tech.
 
So grab an uninhabited one? Also, I feel you are somewhat handwaving the problems of actually running a country. Doof, remember, still has a trait that HALVES his Stewardship on non-corporate actions, we've just negated it. I feel like if he actually tried to run a country...Well, there's a lot more to running a nation then being able to build cool tech.
1) There's so many different ways in which grabbing an unhabited life-bearing planet on the multiverse is a terrible idea, most of them involving Phobos and Toffee;
2) How is a trait that we have managed to completely negate (via application of a Medieval-themed Administrative AI, no less) relevant at all tp this discussion?
3) We literally cannot do a worse job ruling than what is already there. It is not possible to screw up Drusselstein any more.
 
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1) There's so many different ways in which grabbing an unhabited life-bearing planet is a terrible idea;
2) How is a trait that we have managed to completely negate (via application of a Medieval-themed Administrative AI, no less) at all relevant?
3) We literally cannot do a worse job ruling than what is already there. It is not possible to screw up Drusselstein any more.
That AI is designed to administer, what, two-and-a-half-states? She's basically a slightly more conversational Siri at this point. And we haven't "negated" the trait, it's still there, we just got Roger and Coffee to handle the stuff we're bad at for us. Running a whole country is probably a bit beyond their skillset. And, as for not being able to do a worse job...I mean, my main concern is that A. I don't think reforming Drusselstein is gonna be nearly as easy as you think and B. Sure, we may not screw up Drusselstein, but we could end up spending a bunch of actions on something that's, let's face it, only really benefits in terms of sating Doof's egotistical desire to own a nation. It's not that we couldn't conquer Drusselstein, but if we did....You ever heard the saying "the flies have conquered the flypaper"? It's a bit like that. This is like a country-sized version of buying Bueno Nacho.
 
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Conquering Drusselstein would move the story forward in a very pleasant fashion compared to the current trend. Having Doof decide to go prove that he is a true ruler and that he does deserve the position he claimed, rather than just admitting he is a delusional fraud and being depressed, sounds awesome.
Plus there is a great deal of juicy development in someone like Doof learning what it means to actually have that sort of power.
 
Conquering Drusselstein would move the story forward in a very pleasant fashion compared to the current trend. Having Doof decide to go prove that he is a true ruler and that he does deserve the position he claimed, rather than just admitting he is a delusional fraud and being depressed, sounds awesome.
There is a great deal of juicy development in someone like Doof learning what it means to actually have that sort of power.
I'm really more into "Doof learns to measure his accomplishments in ways other than amount of fancy titles accrued". Doof doesn't want a country, not really, he has never even given an iota of thought to what running one actually entails on a day to day. He wants people to respect him, and he has that, but years of comparing himself to Roger have convinced that, unless he has some meaningless title, no one could ever truly respect him. Doof actually trying to run a country sounds very much like a natural lead-in to "Doof does something stupid he hasn't thought through and eats shit", as he has done constantly. We are not actually equipped to run a country, and i'm not sure what practical benefit owning Drusselstein would even have.
 
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Since we wandered back into the Doofania proper discussion; heres my take.

All 3 ideas for it are bad. Actually pushing for independence of the tri-state area is actively the worst and probably a game ender do to the amount of negatives we would aquire. Diplomacy Collabs will be off the window as we get hit with a million sanctions, our income will drop signifigantly as all our industries will also get sanctioned off, we won't have government aid when crisises occur. It's just bad.

Drusselstein and the colonizing an uninhabited world suffer from the same issue. Way to large of an action sink to keep them running. Drusselstein is the easier one since we are effectively just going there and saying "You belong to me now". It has little set up but will probably be nigh impossible to actually make profitable. Moreover, it will eat up our stewardship actions, possibly our martial action defending it from say, Brutopia and Thembria, piss off half our council (Goofy because its horrible, Mirage because it's insane, Malf because its Drusselstein). Aquiring it isn't the issue, its that keeping it will be taxing on basically every resource. It's probably the best option of the 3, but it still can backfire horribly.

The other dimension suffers from like, 3 or 4 issues. 1. It will take at least a years worth of turns to even set up (Finding a mostly empty dimension, terraforming it, building infatructure, and convincing people to actually move into it). Then we have to defend it from shit far worse then Drusselstein. Small Cold War era nations are one thing, the Inter-Dimensional Kings are another entirely. Toffee, The Skeksis, Andrias, Phobos, who know how many minor players. Not to mention I doubt Nix will react well to seeing us colonize other dimension.

Imagine we are juggling torches as DEI. If a single torch falls we could accidently light our empire ablaze. San Fran, Toffee, Judge Doom, Negaduck, the Moon. Thats a managable amount to juggle. Opening other dimensions will cause half a dozen more torches to be added. Same with trying to declare independence. Drusselstien is like, 2.
 
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Since we wandered back into the Doofania proper discussion; heres my take.

All 3 ideas for it are bad. Actually pushing for independence of the tri-state area is actively the worst and probably a game ender do to the amount of negatives we would aquire. Diplomacy Collabs will be off the window as we get hit with a million sanctions, our income will drop signifigantly as all our industries will also get sanctioned off, we won't have government aid when crisises occur. It's just bad.

Drusselstein and the colonizing an uninhabited world suffer from the same issue. Way to large of an action sink to keep them running. Drusselstein is the easier one since we are effectively just going there and saying "You belong to me now". It has little set up but will probably be nigh impossible to actually make profitable. Moreover, it will eat up our stewardship actions, possibly our martial action defending it from say, Brutopia and Thembria, piss off half our council (Goofy because its horrible, Mirage because it's insane, Malf because its Drusselstein). Aquiring it isn't the issue, its that keeping it will be taxing on basically every resource. It's probably the best option of the 3, but it still can backfire horribly.

The other dimension suffers from like, 3 or 4 issues. 1. It will take at least a years worth of turns to even set up (Finding a mostly empty dimension, terraforming it, building infatructure, and convincing people to actually move into it). Then we have to defend it from shit far worse then Drusselstein. Small Cold War era nations are one thing, the Inter-Dimensional Kings are another entirely. Toffee, The Skeksis, Andrias, Phobos, who know how many minor players. Not to mention I doubt Nix will react well to seeing us colonize other dimension.

Imagine we are juggling torches as DEI. If a single torch falls we could accidently light our empire ablaze. San Fran, Toffee, Judge Doom, Negaduck, the Moon. Thats a managable amount to juggle. Opening other dimensions will cause half a dozen more torches to be added. Same with trying to declare independence. Drusselstien is like, 2.
I disagree with you on the dimension thing, we do have an interdimensional portal, we might as well use it. But, the rest, yeah. Conquering Drusselstein would be a massive action sink that would probably not be of much benefit if we did it at all. Frankly, Doof just needs to get the fuck OVER himself. He doesn't need a country, and his fixation on getting one is an active impediment to doing something that actually matters (see: His refusal to accept federal aid ENTIRELY because of his own stupid pride). And I take exception to everyone acting like acknowledging the reality of the situation is equivalent to giving up, as opposed to actively allowing us to accomplish more things.
 
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That AI is designed to administer, what, two-and-a-half-states? She's basically a slightly more conversational Siri at this point. And we haven't "negated" the trait, it's still there, we just got Roger and Coffee to handle the stuff we're bad at for us. Running a whole country is probably a bit beyond their skillset.
Drusselstein is a very small country, to the point it doesn't show up on most maps. It may actually be smaller than the Tri-State Area.

And, as for not being able to do a worse job...I mean, my main concern is that A. I don't think reforming Drusselstein is gonna be nearly as easy as you think and B. Sure, we may not screw up Drusselstein, but we could end up spending a bunch of actions on something that's, let's face it, only really benefits in terms of sating Doof's egotistical desire to own a nation. It's not that we couldn't conquer Drusselstein, but if we did....You ever heard the saying "the flies have conquered the flypaper"? It's a bit like that. This is like a country-sized version of buying Bueno Nacho.
I already listed (some of) the benefits of having your own country, to which there are many. If you don't agree, you don't agree, but I in particular, and apparently some others, see those benefits.

One of those benefits? Exactly your Bueno Nacho comparison. We saw multiple times that Bueno Nacho was the perfect place to conduct secret or illicit business because nobody would think to look there. Drusselstein is a country-sized information Bueno Nacho.
 
Drusselstein is a very small country, to the point it doesn't show up on most maps. It may actually be smaller than the Tri-State Area.


I already listed (some of) the benefits of having your own country, to which there are many. If you don't agree, you don't agree, but I in particular, and apparently some others, see those benefits.

One of those benefits? Exactly your Bueno Nacho comparison. We saw multiple times that Bueno Nacho was the perfect place to conduct secret or illicit business because nobody would think to look there. Drusselstein is a country-sized information Bueno Nacho.
and why do we need that and can't use... anything else
 
Drusselstein is a very small country, to the point it doesn't show up on most maps. It may actually be smaller than the Tri-State Area.


I already listed (some of) the benefits of having your own country, to which there are many. If you don't agree, you don't agree, but I in particular, and apparently some others, see those benefits.

One of those benefits? Exactly your Bueno Nacho comparison. We saw multiple times that Bueno Nacho was the perfect place to conduct secret or illicit business because nobody would think to look there. Drusselstein is a country-sized information Bueno Nacho.
I don't agree there are benefits. It's in the achievement description. I don't think the QMs could signpost "this is an utterly insane idea and the fact that Doof is even seriously considering it is a symptom of a deep fixation he should probably get over" any harder.
 
I'm really more into "Doof learns to measure his accomplishments in ways other than amount of fancy titles accrued".
How about 'number of people helped'? There is nowhere on Earth that needs aggressively renovating more than Drusselstein does.

How about 'great feats achieved'? Turning a 4th World Country into somewhere worth living would be the sort of accomplishment history books are written about?

There are plenty of reasons beyond "I want to run a country" for conquering a country.
 
I disagree with you on the dimension thing, we do have an interdimensional portal, we might as well use it. But, the rest, yeah. Conquering Drusselstein would be a massive action sink that would probably not be of much benefit if we did it at all.
I mean you want us to set up a colony. Thats gonna be several actions alone.
  1. Build the Portal; easy
  2. Find a dimension worth colonizing
  3. Build Infastructure (Included possibly terraforming), likely multiple actions
  4. Convince people to go to the colony.
  5. Keep the Colony Afloat long enough to become self sufficient (Also likely multiple actions)
The Colony is probably the biggest action sink of all 3 options. It has the least negatives outside of the action/money cost; but its still the worst in terms of pure action economy
 
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