That doesn't surprise me. I also imagine that getting Malf to adopt a healthier mindset might be literally impossible on account of him being a ghost for whom "moving on" has multiple meanings.
DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest
- Thread starter Made in Heaven
- Start date
- Crossover
The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
Yeah, but even early Doof was capable of at least attempting non-antagonistic interactions and seemed to have a decent working relationship with his background dancers and if Malf's immune to character growth then our only real option is to eventually get rid of him before he tantrum spirals like LOVEMUFFIN and at that point it becomes a situation of "I hate my past self and will murder this reminder of him" which seems unhealthy.
You never know. It might be that he's capable of character growth, but doing so involves guiding him into letting go of the grudges binding him to the mortal coil and passing on, leaving some kind of permanent buff behind as a reward.
Considering Celena seems to be a straight up better version of him and she is ironically in the opposite situation in terms of being better off returning from the land of the dead than moving on, maybe we should try to pursue this route?
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- Pronouns
- He/Him
Okay.
Malifishmertz is petty, insecure, hostile, and malicious to anyone who commits even petty slights against him. Celena is shy, unassertive, shies away from conflict, and is a better mage than Malifishmirtz can ever hope to be, both because of natural talent, advantages she had in life, the fact that she had more time among the living than he did, and that Malifishmertz is just not the sort of person good at improving himself.
Placing Celena in a directly subordinate position to Malf in which he has control over most of what she does would be rather like placing The Evil Queen in charge of Snow White, if the Evil Queen was a complete idiot, and Snow White could just peace out at any time.
The narrative you are looking for and trying very hard to push here is not grounded in the characters as they have been presented to you throughout the quest.
b-wolf95
Secretly a good boy
Fair. It was a bit of a long shot anyways.
- Location
- United Kigdom
You know, maybe we're not being literal enough with the cards:
Because what could possibly be more threatening than an awkward family reunion?
huh, I expect a bit more Diplo for Celena, but with the combo of the Shyness and Mewni's awkward history of teaching, makes sense
Because what could possibly be more threatening than an awkward family reunion?
huh, I expect a bit more Diplo for Celena, but with the combo of the Shyness and Mewni's awkward history of teaching, makes sense
The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
Fair enough on the post as a whole and the dynamics at play, but I'm surprised she died older than him. He looks terrible for his age.
Eh, he won't accept advice, much less criticism, he doesn't have any preexisting relationships to use as levers like Doof did, and he's incredibly unlikely to form any since we're not going to let him do enough evil to attract a proper nemesis and will most likely refuse friendships due to perceived slights.
We have no method to encourage the kind of self reflection moving on requires except maybe Technor therapy rolling fantastically or certain types of exorcism that induce altered mindsets or reliving memories.
- Location
- Pittsburgh, PA
From what I remember of his interlude, Toffee is basically the Breaker-Apart from The Immortal Hulk, wearing Toffee's mind and personality as a disguise until the time has come to see the Mystery slain.
For those who don't want to bother with the spoilered images, the Breaker-Apart is... bad. Extremely, extremely bad. It can't be anything else, in fact. It's literally the corrosion and collapse of life and structure incarnated, an avatar for the hollow shell cast by the light of God, in a timeline where that husk rose up, shattered God's skull between its teeth, and sucked the marrow from His bones.
It's perfectly capable of pretending to be a person, specifically any one of the people who have been swallowed within its emptiness and annihilated. But it's not a person, and its only real goal is to, in its own "words":
MAKE ALL HOLLOW AS I
DEAD AND DARK AS I
AND I WILL BE ALONE
Yeah, the only real relationship I could see between Mal and Celena is a Nemesis one, which, would be hilarious, but, even then, might be me grasping at straws because I am desperate to find a way to get Mal to develop.
Also, @Argidoll
Crossover-Inator (Neutral-ish)
This turn, one random hero unit from your Rolodex will work for you temporarily. They may decide to stay on, depending on treatment. However, the hero unit cannot be from the same source as any existing Hero Unit used by you.
I think you're making a somewhat inapplicable comparison here. Toffee's still, at his core, the same as he ever was, he's just lost the pretenses. He now hates humans, but even then, it's because humans are where Mewmans came from, so we're now a target in his quest to wipe out every last trace of the Mewman species from the multiverse.From what I remember of his interlude, Toffee is basically the Breaker-Apart from The Immortal Hulk, wearing Toffee's mind and personality as a disguise until the time has come to see the Mystery slain.
For those who don't want to bother with the spoilered images, the Breaker-Apart is... bad. Extremely, extremely bad. It can't be anything else, in fact. It's literally the corrosion and collapse of life and structure incarnated, an avatar for the hollow shell cast by the light of God, in a timeline where that husk rose up, shattered God's skull between its teeth, and sucked the marrow from His bones.
It's perfectly capable of pretending to be a person, specifically any one of the people who have been swallowed within its emptiness and annihilated. But it's not a person, and its only real goal is to, in its own "words":
MAKE ALL HOLLOW AS I
DEAD AND DARK AS I
AND I WILL BE ALONE
Also, @Argidoll
Crossover-Inator (Neutral-ish)
This turn, one random hero unit from your Rolodex will work for you temporarily. They may decide to stay on, depending on treatment. However, the hero unit cannot be from the same source as any existing Hero Unit used by you.
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- Location
- Not the asylum anymore
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Huh. There's a shower thought.
The Doof of this quest can be compared to old Walt himself, in some ways. A focus on entertainment (the Doofrasic park, Peter Pan if we ever go through with releasing it, our advocacy for toons in general), an emphasis on the innocent (our tendency for the protecting thereof, deciding to go through with releasing Civilian AI), the sort of fatherly persona, the tendency to go for big societal megaprojects (Doofania as a whole), even a brother who's more focused on the practical side of things.
It's definitely not a perfect comparsion, but it can be made.
The Doof of this quest can be compared to old Walt himself, in some ways. A focus on entertainment (the Doofrasic park, Peter Pan if we ever go through with releasing it, our advocacy for toons in general), an emphasis on the innocent (our tendency for the protecting thereof, deciding to go through with releasing Civilian AI), the sort of fatherly persona, the tendency to go for big societal megaprojects (Doofania as a whole), even a brother who's more focused on the practical side of things.
It's definitely not a perfect comparsion, but it can be made.
- Location
- Two hours away
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I don't think HR could handle an office-nemesisship.
- Location
- USA
I'm fine with recruiting her. We have a desperate need for a higher tier occult unit since most of our higher stat ones are needed for quests or have a wander mechanic.
We should probably do the recruit magical individuals as well.
We should probably do the recruit magical individuals as well.
"Bad, yes. It is very bad." Celena replied. "The Septarian in the Present with Death in the Past is a harbinger of great destruction. Someone with the great desire for death and destruction is prepared to shift the paradigm, and the form of the threat you face is… unknown, beyond what the cards have so far said. And it is called the Present, not the Future." She continued. "It comes soon."
Okay, commented this in the Discord, may as well post it here, too.
Desire for death and destruction fits Negaduck, who seems to have awareness of magic stuff and may be working towards something paradigm altering. Moon connection is very vague, however.
It does not fit the Collector, who just wants to have fun (death and destruction being stuff that just kinda happen when he has fun, but not the goal), although the little bastard has a strong Moon connection. Belos has the desire for death and destruction, but no real Moon connection beyond the Eclipse involved in his draining spell.
Toffee has desire, but no Moon connection. Demona has the desire, a vague moon connection and a high willingness to flip the board if she feels like it will give her an advantage.
Lunaris is an insecure little bastard, but his moonvasion was more about proving the superiority of planet Moon than about causing death of destruction. Still one of the better suspects.
And, I guess, there is also the Core, from Amphibia. Given the events of the series finale, there is a strong Moon connection, there is a desire for death and destruction, there is no respect/interest for the masquerades in Earth and Amphibia stuff seems to have started showing up in Los Angeles.
Okay, commented this in the Discord, may as well post it here, too.
Desire for death and destruction fits Negaduck, who seems to have awareness of magic stuff and may be working towards something paradigm altering. Moon connection is very vague, however.
It does not fit the Collector, who just wants to have fun (death and destruction being stuff that just kinda happen when he has fun, but not the goal), although the little bastard has a strong Moon connection. Belos has the desire for death and destruction, but no real Moon connection beyond the Eclipse involved in his draining spell.
Toffee has desire, but no Moon connection. Demona has the desire, a vague moon connection and a high willingness to flip the board if she feels like it will give her an advantage.
Lunaris is an insecure little bastard, but his moonvasion was more about proving the superiority of planet Moon than about causing death of destruction. Still one of the better suspects.
And, I guess, there is also the Core, from Amphibia. Given the events of the series finale, there is a strong Moon connection, there is a desire for death and destruction, there is no respect/interest for the masquerades in Earth and Amphibia stuff seems to have started showing up in Los Angeles.
You forgot Obake, who wants to destroy San Frantokyo, with making a new star, though I admit the moon connection is weak, what with that you see starts while the moon is up.
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Actually, Toffee does arguably have a connection to the Moon, in that he and Queen Moon have a very personal and bitter nemesis relationship.
The Core is a pretty good candidate, though.
Ok I was gonna do a large analyze, and outside of Tobe teaching Tom the true meaning of friendship, something in particular caught my attention.
1. Skywynne, 2. Jushtin, 3. Solaria, 4. Festivia, 5. Dirhennia, 6. Crescenta, 7. Rhina, 8. Celena, 9. Estrella, 10. Comet.
A queen is missing. A Mewman Queen's ghost isn't where its supposed to be. Maybe she didn't count Jushtin; but I feel she would call that out.
Eclipsa, Moon, and Star are all likely Alive at the very least.
8? Thats... not mathamatically correct. Celena makes 9, but, if Eclipsa, Moon and Star are alive there should be one more.
1. Skywynne, 2. Jushtin, 3. Solaria, 4. Festivia, 5. Dirhennia, 6. Crescenta, 7. Rhina, 8. Celena, 9. Estrella, 10. Comet.
A queen is missing. A Mewman Queen's ghost isn't where its supposed to be. Maybe she didn't count Jushtin; but I feel she would call that out.
Eclipsa, Moon, and Star are all likely Alive at the very least.
Alternately: that doom sorcerer about to hit Zootopia, who we will need the help of Bellwether to defeat.
Could also be Toffee, Master Computer's Legacy plot, DOR-15 stepping up its plans, Andrias turning up, the Dream Queen making her move or a bunch of other stuff. "A disaster is coming" does not narrow things down at all.
Assuming it is even something we already know about rather than a new thing turning up.
Likewise the bit about trusting authority could mean collaborating with the feds. Or it could mean helping Mayor Doom against the frog invasion. Or working more closely with Mayor Roger. Or making contact with the GalFeds, or Emperor Belos.
Or it could mean making Doofania a country in law rather than just branding so that Doof is authority. Or running for Mayor as Technor suggested.
Like most prophesies this is far too vague and open to interpretation to be actionable. Do what makes sense, not what you think (almost certainly wrongly) that 'destiny' demands you to do.
Depends on whether it also stabilises him.
And worst come to worst it is one personal action to get rid of him. Mal isn't a good hero unit, he is just the best we had available at the time.
I'd argue that while Malf isn't a good hero unit, he's probably the best councillor we have, given that he's the councillor that gives the second highest bonus to the relevant staff and given his trait, narrative relation to Doof, and stat block he's almost certainly built for us to place in the occult seat, especially given the rest of our options to replace him are either better used in other places (Tobe, Janna), aren't options (Kitsune, if we're being technical Tom), or just aren't great fits (Janna again). Plus we're probably not going to get anything on Malf's relative level for the bonus bar a sizable amount of effort, especially given right now we need the +19 to make up the current lack of Doof occult.
So while Malf is sometimes a problem I feel he's at least worth the effort of at least keeping on goodish terms, even if it's mainly about the opportunity cost.
KidFromPallet
Pokemon Fan
- Location
- Pallet Town
Just a thought that's been percolating around for a while, but; part of Malf's unhappiness is that he's stuck s a ghost, right? Stuck in his castle, unable to come and go as he pleases and stuff. What if we fixed that? We've been able to make Doppelbots for a while, maybe creating a Malfbot body which we then stick the Malfghost in could work? Or, alternatively, we could get Janus and/or Jumba to just grow Malf a body wholesale that we then stick him into, if he views inhabiting a 'golem' as beneath him.