mangawriter77
Otaku^9000 (In my own opinion)
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Let's... not think about that. Not until we know for sure.
DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest
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Mostly agreeable.
However I would priorities '[ ] Investigate the Doofanian Underworld' over one of the two infiltrate actions for intrigue. We should ensure we aren't going to get sucker punched again before looking to sucker punch other people.
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Just want to account for this possibility in an otherwise fleshed-out plan.
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After this interlude I am definitely feeling a Mez/Juniper/Gomez ball.
They would be pretty great together I imagine. And infiltration is Mezs focus.
Do we need to go on the rocket quest next turn?
They would be pretty great together I imagine. And infiltration is Mezs focus.
Do we need to go on the rocket quest next turn?
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personally like technor more so we can keep mez solo for now. also we want rocket quest in July becouse that's it's theme
I'd like to put Cloverleaf off, mostly so we won't have 2 of our best intrigue heroes stuck on Infiltrate actions until we learn exactly how they work; especially Since I'd think Russ being sent straight to enemy territory might be a bad idea. Other then that I agree, with favor being put towards Technor/Gomez/Juniper and Recruit Go Go. Alan also should be on Civvie AI, as its around 15 more points then Wasabi, as well as makes it possible for Wasabi to maybe do his San Fran action for potential combos.
I also wouldn't mind potentially expending Smarty to either Guarentee Civvie or give Monogram a better chance at Diecast, but I don't know if he'd be interested in either and saving him for a P&F Comedize Supply Lines Combo would probably be our best bang for our buck. Spending him before our pay turn does free up the Dickens though, so that is worth keeping in consideration.
For possible Intrigue replacements we can send Mez or Russ to the cult for further san fran combos, or try to explore the underworld with one or the other, or finally finally get to trying to rob Solanacae.
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No. Smarty would demand the secret to AI, plus dont want to split diecast benefits 3 different ways.
Figured, probably best to save him for a Sycorax buyout or Comedize then.
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Except that we've been warned in red text that if we half-commit to the Franchise Wars and lose, we could stand to lose more money than we put in, not to mention the actions that we "slid in" going down the drain.
In the field of agricultural production, even. Really, climate tech + ODI + genetically engineered plants means we can potentially out-Toffee Tofee on his own specialty.
It only gives us funds if we outcompete the competition, one of which is frigging Glomgold. You know Glomgold will go all-in.
Competing in the Franchise Wars does not hurt Toffee at all. In fact, more competition in the Franchise Wars explicitly helps Toffee, as the Rival Reports states pretty directly:
Participating in the Franchise Wars means Toffee has a better negotiating position. Selling food to all sides undercuts him.
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It's only a portion of his company. If his participation in the franchise wars starts hurting the rest of his bottom line, he'll fold.
Selling Doc Hopper / food to all sides would just continue the wars without us being able to influence them.
Or I guess we could still influence things to end the wars ASAP while not being a part of it, but thats the worst of both worlds, the same level of commitment to the wars without the massive income for winning, and makes it harder to profit from our existing food industries once someone else has complete control
Fast food synergizes well with a lot of our other ideas and existing industries and product and a lot of the actions we're already considering doing, especially AI as we can use it to massively reduce labor costs which is the main cost in fast food.
The hero and villain ad campaign? Imo useless and pointless without a product to sell/advertise
I'd be really disappointed with the voters if we sell and then do the ad campaign, that again would be the worst of both worlds
Sycorax is also a player and we already thinking of infiltrating them
And if we did still want to sell, selling doc hoppers and poultry palace together would give us more funds than selling them separately. Because whoever buys it is getting a significant portion of the market share all at once
In order to make big changes in the world, especially regarding Doom and Toffee, we need money.
And the players of the franchise wars are those we are already targeting in either short or long term or could strike a deal with (Xanay/Glomgold)
I'm ready to commit. We need to make a big money move. This is the move. It connects with all of our other stuff. The lynchpin of the future of DEI. We won't be forced to rely on the freebie "widget" industry but stake our own claim and earn our future.
With enough infiltration we could maybe dramatically reduce the DC to make a doppelganger of 'Liv' by having our spy able to observe behaviors and such, plus Janus's history of experience with working with her, another way to make use of our AI advancements for other things.
Cause part of the Spark interlude was that we dramatically reduced DC for doppelganger psych profile.
And wouldn't it be hilarious if we replaced a doppelganger with another doppelganger? It would make hostile takeover a *lot* easier...
Anyway, just saying, lets see what we can do for the franchise wars by infiltrating Sycorax at least before giving up.
Edit: Plus, going on expeditions to other dimensions costs money, so would setting up bases and farms there. We would be in a much better position to invest into multi-dimensional expansion and have a higher % ROI by being the victors of the franchise wars.
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Who do you think folds first in a war of economic attrition, us or Glomgold?
Which would only make sense if we had an ability to quickly and decisively win the Franchise Wars that we lack, nevermind win at all.
You mean massive amounts of income regardless of who wins because ultimately they buy from us?
You seem to have a very weird notion that whoever controls fast food chains sets the price on food supplies, when it's in fact the very opposite.
I'm sorry, this is a genuine question, I think I might have misunderstood you: are you assuming that our fully-sapient AIs that we raise with the ability for self-determination will choose to flip burgers for less than the humans in that industry are already paid? In significant enough numbers to make a difference, even?
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I can answer this one- the idea is not to use actually sapient AIs, but instead to automate a massive part of the chains and turn them over to have minimal human activity involved. Basically, non-sentient robots that can prepare food, robots that can take orders and bring out food, and one or two people kept in the loop to avoid any problems.
Actually, @Arathnorn , how viable is the above plan? What would be the buy in cost to retrofit Doc Hopper's across the nation with this, and how would that help our standing (due to both novelty and being able to lower prices slightly due to less labor costs in the long-run)? What would be the DC for such retrofitting?
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You know how in our very own non-Shadowrun world, there are touch screens replacing cashiers? Doing that with more than just the cashiers. There is an entire kitchen to automate. Smart machines, not robots.
Its basic economics. If the industry is highly competitive, the supplier industry can charge more. If the industry is centralized under fewer entities each with a larger market share, its easier for them to negotiate for better prices from the supplier industry. Porter's 5 forces model.
So as the franchise wars comes to a close, the food suppliers wont be able to price gouge to the degree that they can right now.
As each individual buyer gains more market share, they can negotiate from a stronger position.
He isn't just going to throw money at something that isn't worth the effort. We have a petty reputation, lets make use of it.
And did you forget his main character trait? He doesnt like to spend money.
No. Because your idea was to fold immediately. Why would the winner pay us more after the fact? Just to be nice?
Look, we are already planning to infiltrate Sycorax. Let's at least take Poultry Palace and sell it with Hoppers for an extra huge payday if we want to sell.
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Ah, that's a lot more functional. Still, either it would require us to have actual AIs that want to run fast food supply chains, or it's not actually connected to AI at all? It would possibly be more connected to Diecast Robotics, in that it's cheap-machine production, if at all.
Aaah, but not only is food is an inelastic demand that cannot be replaced by similar products, but also our market space to sell food is bigger than the fast food industry alone. People always need food, they don't always need to eat out. If the fast food companies refuse to pay a minimum price we want to sell at, we just don't sell to them.
I am on board with the idea of doing something to improve the value of resale and insure we make a profit off of selling Hopper's. I am not on board with "at least" waiting until we can successfully complete the chain of actions: "Infiltrate Sycorax Tier 1 -> infiltrate Sycorax Tier 2 -> infiltrate Sycorax Tier 3 -> Create a working doppelganger of Di Amara -> kidnap Di Amara and replace her with a doppelganger -> use said doppelganger to sell her company to us", all to be attempted under the Yokai's nose, and against one of his assets.
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Using smart machines to automate Hoppers and reduce costs, then using those reduced costs to lower prices and expand in new areas for more market share could be a good opportunity to greatly improve the value of Hoppers for resale.
I wonder if winning the franchise wars could unlock Doc Hopper as a hero unit, if the tightened competition was what made him retire early. Maybe winning and say presenting the opportunity to expand frog legs to Japan or other countries could entice him and give us an amazing steward intrigue hero.
An evil steward would be great to replace Janus with so he can rush his New Men personals.
Big Brain move: Improve Hoppers, sell for markup to Sycorax, infiltrate, and have Sycorax sell Hoppers and Poultry Palace back to us for cheap
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Remember, we can still make AI that isn't true AI, like Doom's cars. That level of AI is still more than enough to basically fully automate a fast food place.
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Agreed, sounds like an excellent idea. Maybe not expand the brand, but automating the place for comfort and convenience sounds like a good business decision. If we knew how we made Coffeejava, we could even make lesser copies of her, she's an adninistration AI.
Then, we sell Doc Hopper's and sell that same automation technology to all the competition, making money twice.
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Actually I have the time to field this question right now. This would be about a DC 110 Stewardship action that would cost 5 funds and grant 1 income.
And the slow creep of public outrage as workplace automation becomes a prominent political issue, followed by escalating protests as other companies follow suit.
Yes, the economy overall would be more effective once more people are retrained, but who knows what'll happen when you knock several million people out of a job?
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Would the Funds cost be cheapened by Diecast Robotics, assuming we didn't care about causing a minor economic crisis?
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Make robots that run on burgers. Mass-produce consumers.
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Why an evil one?
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Eh, sure, but we're meant to be, like, fun, Saturday Morning Evil. Both Hopper and Janus are just kinda...Regular dickish evil (although Janus has the potential if he would just embrace his inner mad scientist). I mean, i'm fine with Janus on Council, but i'm not a fan. Also, like, my impression of Hopper is that, like many Muppet bad guys, his tolerance for nonsense is...Low, which means he probably doesn't want to work for us. At least a moderate tolerance for nonsense is basically a job requirement.
Also, @Nystical While I appreciate the idea, I don't think buying out Sycorax will be nearly as easy as you think, let alone pulling a Doppelganger replace on Liv right under the nose of a fellow Learning king. Keep in mind: Olympia suffered TWO massive scandals, and their DC still isn't quite in range. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
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We do need a straight-man or two to make everyone else's wacky Evil even more enjoyable. Janus and Mirage both perform that role admirably, though Mirage will be better at it once she re-makes her peace with being constructively evil.
Honestly, Goofy is the one I'm not too sure about? He either doesn't understand things, or object on moral grounds. There's only so many times a turn I can read "Gawrsh, that's evil, Doc!"
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