Hi everyone!

I wanted to apologize for the slow rate of posting over the last few weeks- but! We actually have a reason for it!

We've been working very hard in the DVV Server to release our DVV 3.0 edition in time for our 7th anniversary- which is today!

We have a whole slew of new and improved content for Disney Villains Victorious as a system and setting, including:

-Reworked Core Ruleset
Including tweaks to how experience gain works, new uses for Legerdemain and Healing, turn order reworks, and codified traits and powers by the brilliant argidoll.
-New Enemy Types
Including the multitudinous Mook Mob.
-New Music System!
It wouldn't be Disney without it, and it wouldn't be DVV if it didn't take us 3 tries to get right.
-New Document on the Book of Secrets
And the many Coverups of the Gridlocked setting.
-New Breakdowns
For the Pirate Lords and East India Trading Company, now with 20% more obscure Disney references and 40% more obscure historical references.
-Updated K/L/Rs
For a better understanding of their wicked ways, including Grimhilde, Coachman, Chernabog, Queen of Hearts, Maleficient, Shere Khan, Japan(?), and Facilier.
And the big ones:
-Updated Stat Sheets for EVERY Classic King
Yes all of them
Every single one
Why did Jafar have +69 to magic.
-New King Statlines!
Face off against new threats in the world of Gridlocked with the miserly Glomgold, the terrifying Negaduck, demented Judge Doom, Waternoose, King Candy and more!

If by any chance you're interested, you can stop by and take a look around!

Join the Villains Victorious Chat Discord Server!

And here's to a lot more Doofquest in the near future!
Oi, link is dead. Discord is complaining that its either invalid or expired
 
Oi, link is dead. Discord is complaining that its either invalid or expired
I think that was a temporary link. You can find a permanent one on info pages like TVTropes and 1d4chan, as well as the docs for the game rules.

Here's a fresh link if you'd like to join in.

discord.gg

Discord - Group Chat That’s All Fun & Games

Discord is great for playing games and chilling with friends, or even building a worldwide community. Customize your own space to talk, play, and hang out.
 
I think we've hit the "the best already happened" part of the adventure title. Though we have some surprises yet to be seen!
 
After long debates on robot ethics and the difficulty of making AI profitable without veering uncomfortably close to slavery, I would like to present The Bicentennial Man Plan

Basically, we make and sell robot bodies that we mass-produce (to the degree mass-production is possible) that have no AI or sentience built in (besides maybe a very basic set of backup routines in case of some shutdown or other issue)

We create, in smaller numbers, powerful sentient AI on the DEI servers. We offer them paid employment with DEI as 'bot handlers' or whatever you want to call the position. In exchange for operating several robot bodies owned by customers in service of those owners, they'd receive wages (if we base the wages on the number of service bots they operate we could largely offset the cost through some kind of subscription costs on the customer side) and use of a robot body or two owned by DEI as a sort of company car they could use to freely act as part of society, spend their wages, and live life

Before anybody says this is slavery, they're basically just using some of their processing power working for DEI for wages, not unlike a human employee using some of their time working for DEI except work and not-work happen simultaneously. They're free to use the wages received working for DEI to buy their own bot bodies if they like, making them not fully tied to DEI while still leaving the incentives such that they'll almost certainly, at least at first, work for DEI ensuring a steady profit stream.

A different corporation that wanted to hire one of our AI as an employee there would have nothing stopping them, but the AI wouldn't want to give up having robot bodies and would lose the DEI 'company car', meaning the new corp would probably have to buy robot bodies for the AI from DEI in order to snatch our hire away meaning we'd still be seeing cash flow even if they left for other employment. And before you say it's entrapment, it's more or less just expecting our competitors to put in the same upfront investment we already had to, I don't see it as an unfair expectation.

I see this as a way to ensure DEI rakes in profits for our AI work while still affording the AI the same freedom and respect we grant a human employee. Thoughts?
 
After long debates on robot ethics and the difficulty of making AI profitable without veering uncomfortably close to slavery, I would like to present The Bicentennial Man Plan

Basically, we make and sell robot bodies that we mass-produce (to the degree mass-production is possible) that have no AI or sentience built in (besides maybe a very basic set of backup routines in case of some shutdown or other issue)

We create, in smaller numbers, powerful sentient AI on the DEI servers. We offer them paid employment with DEI as 'bot handlers' or whatever you want to call the position. In exchange for operating several robot bodies owned by customers in service of those owners, they'd receive wages (if we base the wages on the number of service bots they operate we could largely offset the cost through some kind of subscription costs on the customer side) and use of a robot body or two owned by DEI as a sort of company car they could use to freely act as part of society, spend their wages, and live life

Before anybody says this is slavery, they're basically just using some of their processing power working for DEI for wages, not unlike a human employee using some of their time working for DEI except work and not-work happen simultaneously. They're free to use the wages received working for DEI to buy their own bot bodies if they like, making them not fully tied to DEI while still leaving the incentives such that they'll almost certainly, at least at first, work for DEI ensuring a steady profit stream.

A different corporation that wanted to hire one of our AI as an employee there would have nothing stopping them, but the AI wouldn't want to give up having robot bodies and would lose the DEI 'company car', meaning the new corp would probably have to buy robot bodies for the AI from DEI in order to snatch our hire away meaning we'd still be seeing cash flow even if they left for other employment. And before you say it's entrapment, it's more or less just expecting our competitors to put in the same upfront investment we already had to, I don't see it as an unfair expectation.

I see this as a way to ensure DEI rakes in profits for our AI work while still affording the AI the same freedom and respect we grant a human employee. Thoughts?
More ethical way to create AI: crowdfunding. Patreon and the like.

Crowdfunding the costs of the creation of AI from people who just want to see sapient AI created for the sake of it is a way to make money from building them. (Or from corporations who could use the donation to our crowdfunding campaign as a burst of good PR, like how we made Insuricare less profitable to avoid the bad PR of not supporting supers earlier in the quest)

The money might not be consistent, might be only enough to make one or two, but it is an ethical way to make AI that is also profitable. It just wouldn't scale into creating a bunch of them. But because the AI costs were crowdfunded, it wouldn't be the end of the world if the AI decides to leave DEI of their own free will.

Basically, we says "we can make sapient AI, if enough people buy Doof's nudes, he will produce robots"
 
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The Spark of Tomorrow
So, in things i was thinking about: Some people were tossing around the idea of a hypothetical golden future for Doof, where he takes over the entirety of North America and so on. I don't think that's likely, but it get me thinking: What would Doof's golden future look like, if I were to write it? Combine that with the recent debate surrounding AI and the potential I see in them, and you get this: A little piece I like to call "Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow". Credit to @Nystical for some phenomenal editing work, as well as, ahem, Sparking the original idea. Quite a bit of this is him. Please enjoy this tale of A Future. Not the Future. Just...A Future.

The Spark of Tomorrow

Article in The San Fransokyo Herald by Toby Sklar, Dated August, 31, 2052


[...]

Arguably the first really major scientific breakthrough, in the public's eyes, to come out of DEI was the AI breakthrough. Doof had had others before this of course: the dinosaur cloning tends to be a major stand-out and certainly was at the time, but, in retrospect, the day Doofenshmirtz cracked strong AI was the moment everyone sat up and took notice. I remember scrolling the Grid and seeing the reaction of unanimous disbelief that, not ENCOM, who were making waves with their new (and, as it would turn out, ill-fated) Smart House system, not Funintelligence, not Bakemono, but DOOFENSHMIRTZ EVIL INCORPORATED, the first and only (well, at this point) Fortune 500 corporation to have the word Evil in its name, had been the ones to finally figure it out. I was working at DEI, although not in high enough clearance to know the secret at this point, and I was just as flummoxed as anyone. I had worked under Miss Lindholm a few times, and I found her highly insightful in regards to AI, despite her lack of formal qualifications, but like many, I underestimated her. Sure, anyone who had worked at DEI would never mistake eccentricity for laziness or incompetence, but her having cracked a puzzle that had fluxxomed even the likes of Trevor Tengrove for generations was unexpected. In retrospect, of course, well, I repeat myself: It shouldn't have surprised anyone. In fact, given what the secret later turned out to be, it was obvious Doof would be the one to crack it.

So what was the secret? Well, as was revealed years later following the…Incident Whose Name Shall Not Be Spoken, it was deceptively simple: Treat them like a person. There was no programming, no trick of coding. Simply…Believing in them, for lack of a better term, seemed to do it. Like in that old movie from Disney, "when you wish upon a star" or some such. Absurd, but…It worked. And, in this author's opinion, perhaps from the benefit of hindsight, of course DEI was the first to figure it out. Heinz Doofenshmirtz was eccentric, unpredictable, wildly creative, and wild in general, as was the company he founded. DEI had gained a reputation for Toon advocacy, and only someone who thought like that, a soft-hearted Toon lover, could possibly believe anything as seemingly pedestrian as human belief could influence computer code. Most corporations would have dismissed the idea out of hand, but DEI had always welcomed eccentric ideas and, in this case, it worked. The AI revolution had begun.

The Eureka moment that led to this innovation is, of course, rather famous now: A musical. One of Doof's many personal projects, The Fall of Kronos was a smash hit Broadway musical written and produced by Doof and son, chronicling the night at the Sands Casino where Syndrome, CEO of what was known at the time as Kronos Corp, now Tomorrow Co. was beaten violently by the supervillain Mass, then imprisoned by the recently-sapient robot Sinatron, and, unbeknownst to the general public of the time, killed shortly afterwards. The musical was a massive success, and one stand-out was Norm Doofenshmirtz as Sinatron himself. Doof and Wendy were in the audience as Norm presented a musical number of his own writing. Here is an excerpt from my own interview with Norm on the subject:

Norm Doofenshmirtz said:
"It all started on that fateful day where my dad asked me to help him write his musical! I knew how much he appreciated the art and the fact that he wanted to share that passion with me made me happy, proud, and...quite nervous.

But when I started writing that song for Sinatron, I had a realization of the perfect outlet for my emotions, for my struggle of being seen as a robot rather than a person.

So, I decided to put it in song. That way, people would understand something that I didn't even fully know at the time myself.

And the rest, as we say, is history."


Quite, yes. The lyrics of the song are as follows:


Spark - Norm Doofenshmirtz said:
"Yet all that I am, and all I can be, cannot just be chalked up to lonely old me. The truth my friends is, the things that I do, I do because I want to be just… like… you…"

"I'm a simple newborn robot
Just a sheet metal shape.
Heap of gears and pistons
From a self-absorbed Cape."

"But in his galvanized insides, there's something to see-"

"There's a little spark inside of me!"

Record scratch
"Yeah!"

"I'm finally free! Back from Nineteen Fifty-Three
On your widescreen TV!
got more tricks up my sleeve than you could ever hope to see!"

"But at the heart of the matter I'm more than a toy!
When I see adoring crowds it's just like I'm a real boy!
It's your approval that I crave and your attention I seek!
For you to listen to my words when I decide to speak!"

"No matter how the gears turn or what code's in my head,
No matter how I have been programmed or the places I tread
There's only one thing that makes me feel alive,
I say, I need to be with you if I want to thrive!"

"Word to your motherboard!"


Truly impactful work. And it gave the inspiration for the notion that perception was vital, listening to them like they had important things to say was vital. In other words, treating them with the respect we treat other people with was vital

After this breakthrough, DEI wasted no…Well, OK, Doof ended up freezing himself for 2 months due to a malfunction of one of his trademark Inators. But after that, they wasted no time!

The first order of business in robotics was, oddly, not sapient (apparently, there was internal debate on the subject), but rather transport. Perhaps aimed at Doof's arch-nemesis, Judge Doom (who had made some advances in flying transport), DEI rolled out a line of flying cars. The main selling point? They were self-driving. Not just that, but this was the first car that wasn't just driving itself. It could hold a conversation. Programmed with over 15 languages, all the knowledge of the most skilled pilots/drivers and, most importantly, an AI capable of passing the Turing Test quite reliably, the DoofCar was an instant success. It sold like hotcakes in all three models: Economy, Deluxe, and Doofanian (for the richest customer, naturally, something of an ironic joke at the time). And this was just to start.

Next on the docket was a charitable endeavor of sorts. DEI began producing robot doctors. With encyclopedic medical knowledge on instant recall, enough AI to make them shockingly good at bedside manners (true AI this time), and hands far more steady then the best human surgeon, these bots were not sold, but rather, donated. Various hospitals throughout the Tri-State Area as well as in other areas such as Las Vegas, New York, San Fransokyo, Middleton, even LA (begrudgingly). Outside the Tri-State Area, it was usually only one or two, but it was enough to get Doof a lot of positive PR, which, combined with his next act, would keep going.

Simultaneous to DEI rolling out AI doctors was a massive push by the company by AI rights. Collaborating with Tomorrow Corp, who for historical reasons stated above, had a personal interest in AI having rights, they got one of their AI to apply for citizenship, creating a test case which went all the way to the Supreme Court, setting a precedent that all AI aware enough of the concept of citizenship to request it would be counted as US citizens, with all the rights thereof, the start of a broader sophont rights push which extended not just to DEI's beloved Toons, but also the likes of Muppets and Carnivores, becoming a vital aspect of the brand for years to come. Doof's auto-docs would not be working for free. This was the start of a revolution that created the world we live in.

And what a world it is. AI companion bots and caretakers for the elderly, disabled, or just plain lonely, AI cats and dogs just like the real thing with less cleanup: By this point, the Children of DEI are everywhere. They're just like us, really.

Doctor Heinz Doofenshmirtz passed away recently, in his lab, at the ripe old age of 92. He is survived by two daughters and one son, more AI than not. One of his children, one Coffee Java, is now CEO of his company. His son, Norm, is in government, recently having been elected as the first Robotic Senator, from the state of Doofania, recently renamed. And his daughter, Vanessa, is currently a professor of Psychology at SFIT. All of them carried on his legacy, in one form or another. Vanessa, his charitable spirit, CJ, his inventive and creative mind, Norm, his charisma and love of pageantry…It's all anyone could hope for.

His funeral was attended by thousands of robots. He always insisted that Wendy Lindholm was the Mother of AI. He was not humble, per say, but he did give credit where due. And she has gotten her credit. But, in the eyes of many AI, Heinz at least earned credit as a grandfather.
 
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I see this as a way to ensure DEI rakes in profits for our AI work while still affording the AI the same freedom and respect we grant a human employee. Thoughts?
If you are considering the AI as adult people then that is still slavery. For it to not be slavery (or defacto slavery) then the A.I. would need at minimum to own their own body, own their own brain, have freedom of movement and the ability to accept offers from competing employers.
 
If you are considering the AI as adult people then that is still slavery. For it to not be slavery (or defacto slavery) then the A.I. would need at minimum to own their own body, own their own brain, have freedom of movement and the ability to accept offers from competing employers.
They own their own brain, don't have "a body" - but are free to purchase one or several, or require a prospective employer to purchase some for them as part of a job offer - and have the ability to accept offers from competing employers. Freedom of movement would be unavoidably constrained by being server-bound but it's not like the DEI servers are the only ones they could operate on, they could move to the Drakktech servers if they accepted a job offer from Shego for example. It's not slavery.

That said, I have largely amended this particular plan based on feedback in the Discord - the modified version has the whole 'remote bot operator' thing simply as a high-paying position DEI offers to more traditional androids with their own bodies.
 
I don´t want to "return him to the status quo" - I want to help him re-imagine himself as a better and more realistic kind of hero.

I thought that was clear from my comments, but apparently not..

Stumbled over that Old post by me while rereading the Kataklysm on a Lark, guys.

Considering his New "Man of Tomorrow" trait He just got, Hego seems to have Managed that one all by Himself now...actually Kinda proud of Big Boy Blue rn
 
I'm hesitant to call Hego "realistic" now, if only because people abuse the term to mean "grim and gritty and angsty" when it comes to superheroes nowadays, when I'm almost certain Hego will never be.
 
Iris-Inator (Good) - You have developed an Inator to grant an Iris-based power, giving them the ability to see impossible things! One random hero unit gains a random iris-based power, but this only works through direct observation - looking through mirrors, pictures, and video doesn't work.

1. The ability to see into the Astral Plane, buffing their Intrigue and Occult stat by 10 each.
2. Seeing butterfly wings on the backs of people they observe, colored to reflect their emotions, buffing their intrigue and diplomacy by 10 each.
3. Seeing a devil tail grow out of people's behind when they lie, buffing their intrigue whenever someone lies in their vicinity by 30. Of course, they could assume it could be a white lie on the details.
4. Seeing black butterflies gather around someone the closer they get to death, giving the opportunity for them to make intrigue rolls and take personal actions to keep Hero units from dying.
5. Seeing "labels" on people, each one depicting what they say or think about you. (i.e. cold-hearted, funny, etc) This could buff their diplomacy or intrigue by 10.
6. Seeing a flower growing out of someone's heart/chest which grows bigger and healthier the happier they are, and wilts and shrinks the less happy they are. This could buff their diplomacy in general and intrigue in specific scenarios by 10.

Feel free to add to this list.

Iris-Inator (Bad) - You have develop an Inator to grant an Iris-based power, but the Inator failed. One random hero unit is struck blind, decreasing their loyalty by 15, severly reducing their martial ability by requiring intrigue checks when in combat, and acting as a general malus of 10 to all their rolls until action is taken to cure them.

I got the idea for this from a manga called Iris Zero.
 
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I'm hesitant to call Hego "realistic" now, if only because people abuse the term to mean "grim and gritty and angsty" when it comes to superheroes nowadays, when I'm almost certain Hego will never be.

Maybe not "realistic" in that regard, but at least "realistic" in the *still idealistic, but no longer naive about it* way Modern Superman and CapAm are portrayed as.

EDIT:

Say, was the vote ever called?
 
Here's a bad version of the Roboticizationinator I made earlier to balance it out, plus a new inator.

Roboticizationinator (Bad):
You don't know what went wrong, it worked fine when you tested it on animals (you turned them back later, you're not a MONSTER!) but when you tried it on one of your more anthropmorphic employees, well it turned them into a robot all right, but also made them completely frozen stiff! You're sure it will wear off, eventually. But for now they seem to be indisposed.

One (non-mechanical) Hero Unit is unavailable for the turn, and gains a temporary decrease to loyalty due to the event.

Not Quite Time Travel-inator (Good):
Well, for one reason or another time travel doesn't seem like something you can do at the moment, but you can whip up something kind of like time travel! Sorta. This Inator temporarily transforms Doofania into a vision of what people think the future is like, turning it into an advanced futuristic metropolis.

Public opinion is increased as people enjoy the temporary conveniences of the possible future, and Learning actions this turn have a decrease in DC due to the availability of advanced technology to reverse engineer and assist in your research.

Not Quite Time Travel-inator (Bad):
People like nostalgia, right? They always wanna go back to the past. Well, this Inator was custom made to let people experience the past, just like they remember it! Or think they remember it, anyways. Except you may have made been a bit vague on what the "past" is, and the Inator ended up turning Doofania into peoples vision of the Dark Ages-dung filled, primitive technology and shoddy construction! Not too different from Drusselstein, actually….

Public opinion is decreased due to the annoyances and dangers of the Dark Ages becoming reality, and Learning actions have an increase in DC due to the ancient technology you now have to work with it!
 
The Bee-Gone Inator!
The Apex in bee-avoidance technology almost 14 years in the making*! With just a push of a button, this device takes the most aggressive, powerful bees in the tri-state area and warps them somewhere else!

(A random enemy faction becomes besieged by bees, giving them a moderate malus on the first action this would affect and a minor malus to every other action. This lasts until they perform a stewardship action and a martial action the fully eradicate this menace.)

The Hachigan-inator!
An attempt to harness the power of Bee-neurons for computing has gone horribly wrong! Fortunately, your PMC was able to contain the fallout. Unfortunately...

(Almost every NPC in the PMC has been cursed with hyper-advanced spatial-mathmatical reasoning, forcing them to see fractals and physics-concepts in the world around them, especially when they dont want to! Lose the pmc trait until you either rebuild it or restructure it to accommodate their new conditions.

Additionally, one former PMC member got [extra mutated] and has sworn vengeance! Doof gains a new nemesis!)

*4's a realistic age to find out your daughter has a bee allergy, right?

edit: adding Inspiration to make the potential side effects more apparent
 
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The Fixer-Upper-Inator!
Things have been getting rather dirty around the Tri-state area and this marvelous piece of technology is made to fix that. With just a pull of the lever, anything that is broken, dirty, or otherwise not in pristine condition is restored to its best possible state.

The Shatterbird-Inator!
One of the prettiest and pointiest inventions, made of many pieces of stained glass along with the usual technology, this machine has power over all silicon and silicon based products! Unfortunately, all it makes them do is explode violently, sending glass shards pretty much everywhere.
 
The Shatterbird-Inator!
One of the prettiest and pointiest inventions, made of many pieces of stained glass along with the usual technology, this machine has power over all silicon and silicon based products! Unfortunately, all it makes them do is explode violently, sending glass shards pretty much everywhere.
... are you trying to get us a Kill Order? It feels like this is how you get a Kill Order.
 
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