DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest

[bigking321]

At this point I'm firmly convinced we should act as if Mirage is gone. Just what's been said already and the people listening almost ensure it.

The only way of that not happening I can imagine of is if people don't believe Evelyn or if Sinatron was lying about it being broadcast live.

Which I am starting to think might be the case. Didn't Sinatron say stuff that would get himself in trouble as well?

Maybe everything is being recorded but not broadcast. Then Sinatron would release it and if Mirage redeemed herself he would edit out anything about her?

Probably wishful thinking but Sinatrons like a gangster. Lying about it being live isn't outside possibility.

 

[Silent Grove]

Stewardship Check: Keep it together
DC 75
36+23+19=78
Bare Success

No one at all.

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Mirage avoided calling herself out.

A large potted ficus

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I googled ficus to see if Planty would count as one. (No)

Say Please Activates
Bare Success

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This is a great trait.

"Aaaaaaaghh!" Evelyn growls, and the lights flicker. "What else could go wrong today?!?"

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Hego sighed.

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Evelyn stole Hego's line.

Hego and Winston gain trait: We All Will Be.
+10 to martial when these units roll together on the same roll.

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To all rolls. Punch through boardrooms.

Success

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We're bringing some ACME brand paint to the next quest.

 

[KidFromPallet]

Huh, so things have happened. My thoughts on the options are as such:

[ ] Leave
You… you can't. Your mind is straining, your thoughts are racing, you need to get out.

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I'm probably not going to vote for it, but I think we should give this option a bit more consideration. It's the only one without a bit of red warning text, after all.

[ ] Fight on
You don't care anymore. You will see this last stain of Kronos' legacy destroyed. No matter the consequences you face.

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Lmao, no. We need Mirage in DEI, and if this gets out we'll either lose her or get a large opinion drop with several different factions. Not worth it.

[ ] Pretend to agree
If she thinks she's won, if she thinks you'll cower, she'll leave herself open. Your team is fresh, your team is ready, your team can take her down before she has a chance to make good on her threat. You'll get one chance.

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I think this is the best option, personally. Sinatron running rings around Evelyn for an entire year doesn't paint the best picture of her Intrigue ability under ideal conditions, let alone the state she's in now. Whereas Mirage, while not good at combat, is quite proficient in Intrigue.

And look, if you really think Mirage needs to talk about the situation, she still can. Just, y'know, to Technor, after this Quest is over. Man, a super-powered therapist was a great investment. I'm so glad we have someone who can help our Hero Units work through their issues in a way that doesn't have them admit to being an accessory for dozens of counts of murder/manslaughter while probably still being recorded.

[ ] Her Own Medicine
You brought Mezmerella for a reason. Her own hypnosis gear is down. You're done playing with kid gloves. This too could fail… And it will be seen.

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Probably not the ideal choice, but the thought of beating Evelyn at her own game is an extraordinarily tempting one, I'll admit.

[ ] Write-In
Be careful.

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I don't think there's any angle here that we can play besides those already listed above. There might be, but uh, whatever other people come up with is going to have to be really, really good to get me to abandon the preset options this go around.




So yeah, I think I'll be going Pretend to Agree, with a soft vote of confidence/interest in Her Own Medicine.

 

[MrHobbit]

Again the hipnosis faliure scenario have evelyn winning, her screeslaver tech off the books, first thing she would do would be burn the secret stash of evidence.

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The hypnosis failure scenario has Evelyn not being hypnotized and being taken down by the National Guard. We are in Sacramento. Her lab is going to be somewhere in Nevada ish or somewhere else in Kronos Corp states.

 

[Alex Sol]

At this point I'm firmly convinced we should act as if Mirage is gone. Just what's been said already and the people listening almost ensure it.
The only way of that not happening I can imagine of is if people don't believe Evelyn or if Sinatron was lying about it being broadcast live.

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And you 2 are operating under the assumption that the situation can be salvaged. It can't. The cat already is out of the bag. Backing dow is enough proof to make edna an enemy. Losing mirage would suck but she can be replaced.

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If necessary Mirage can always confess to some lesser crimes, like helping Syndrom to pass his anti-super law, but leave part with killing supers hidden. Saying that not confessing is basically the same as confessing everything at this point is very big misinterpretation of the situation.

 

[bigking321]

If necessary Mirage can always confess to some lesser crimes, like helping Syndrom to pass his anti-super law, but leave part with killing supers hidden. Saying that not confessing is basically the same as confessing everything at this point is very big misinterpretation of the situation.

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Who said anything about confessing?

I'm in favor of fighting. If Evelyn says anything we act like she's a insane supervillian making everything up.

Afterwards we might tell Edna and Hego. I don't know. That's probably a different vote.

 

[Paddywagon Man]

Made a few tweaks to my original plan, more suggestions are always welcome

-[] Write-In: The Revelation Will Not Be Televised
--[] Come out of hiding to offer Evelyn another option. She's been turned into something she hates, but it's not too late to change that. Mention that Mirage let herself become something terrible in the past as well (without offering specifics obviously). Offer DEI's unmatched scientific prowess to reverse the process Sinatron forced on her. Suggest that the powers have made her hurt somebody she loves already, and if she doesn't take this chance to fix herself she's going to destroy everything she ever built or cared about. The offer is as much for the camera as for Evelyn, but giving some preemptive spin to her possible accusation and at least offering a peaceful solution can't hurt the optics.
--[] If Evelyn is unwilling to see reason, try to goad her into attacking by bringing up the possibly dead Winston to push her buttons (better than Evelyn standing and monologuing about Mirage's crimes) - if she takes a shot at anybody, Mezmerella and the martials take her down as quickly as possible, hypnosis absolutely on the table.

 

[woweed]

Ah, and that would be where I, and a few others here apparently, were left confused. Personally, I know exactly jack and {feces} about DVV, so would not have had any knowledge about this King system. As those of us that aren't familiar with DVV have had no prior inkling to its presence, that I can discern at least; and as such neither I, nor at least two others, knew why Evelyn managed to just tank a triple crit and basically flatulated in Lizzy's direction to swipe away her attack with a "begone piss ant peasant."

*sighs* of course, this now means either just assuming all "ineffectual success rolls" are "DVV required knowledge. LOL!" or putting up with trying to figure out a campaign system from its source material... (ugh, Table Top RPGs... mad props to those with patience, I aren't one of ya.)

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I mean it's not "the system", it's...Writing. A kIng is a major bad guy in the setting. They're not going down without a fight. I think the QMs have said in retrospect, Syndrome shouldn't have gone down as easy as he did, it was jsut that it was early enough in the Quest they hadn't gotten their footing yet, and even then, he did get a chance to save himself, it's just he then proceeded to ALSO crit-fail that.

 

[MrRobot]

SNIP

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At least on my part partial confession isn't out of the picture but right now doing anything aside from biting the bullet will put the DEI at greater risk. Its possible to walk away if we act she had nothing on us since she is deranged and we can get sinatron to cover up mirage involvement on the nasty stuff but this is a action for later, not now.

 

[bigking321]

I think Evelyn is way past being reasonable. She is already ruined and is in kill them all mode. I don't think she cares about going back to normal since her plot has already blown up in her face.

In for a penny after all.

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Oh yeah, she may have just killed her brother. I hope not but still. She's done. Negotiation does not compute.

 

[MrHobbit]

At least on my part partial confession isn't out of the picture but right now doing anything aside from biting the bullet will put the DEI at greater risk. Its possible to walk away if we act she had nothing on us since she is deranged and we can get sinatron to cover up mirage involvement on the nasty stuff but this is a action for later, not now.

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Again you make this unsubstantiated claim despite the fact that I have disproven it.

Are you retracting all of the arguments you have made to me that I have proven wrong?

 

[MrCogmor]

If we move to leave then Evelyn could lightning us in the back anyway.

If Mirage's secret does get exposed and she lives then it will be a blow but we have ways to handle the fallout. Maybe Mirage starts commuting from Danville prison's supervillain suite. Maybe Jumba gives her six arms and a face change. Maybe we run with reasonable doubt and double Jeopardy. Maybe we spin her as the victim of Buddy's blackmail and manipulation, maybe she was lead to believe that the murdered supers were secret sex offenders and glory hounds had their crimes covered up by the government or something and Mr Incredible showed her the truth.

If Mirage is going to be killed off whatever route we take then a heroic or noble death is better than a coward's death.

Also keeping people alive should be more important than hiding we have hypnosis tech. Some people have probably recognized Mezmerella or her gear already especially if this is televised.

 

[woweed]

If we move to leave then Evelyn could lightning us in the back anyway.

If Mirage's secret does get exposed and she lives then it will be a blow but we have ways to handle the fallout. Maybe Mirage starts commuting from Danville prison's supervillain suite. Maybe Jumba gives her six arms and a face change. Maybe we run with reasonable doubt and double Jeopardy. Maybe we spin her as the victim of Buddy's blackmail and manipulation, maybe she was lead to believe that the murdered supers were secret sex offenders and glory hounds had their crimes covered up by the government or something and Mr Incredible showed her the truth.

If Mirage is going to be killed off whatever route we take then a heroic or noble death is better than a coward's death.

Also keeping people alive should be more important than hiding we have hypnosis tech. Some people have probably recognized Mezmerella or her gear already especially if this is televised.

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I somehow doubt most of those. But, yeah, I get the gist. Still, I prefer we pull a fake surrender.

 

[doruma1920]

Evelyn is insane, and will clearly say anything no matter what. Leaving is a non starter as it gives a trail for investigations in the future and Evelyn will just say whatever she wants to anyway cause she is deranged.

That leaves Fight On, Pretend, or Hypnosis.

Hypnosis could work, but it would be revealing an ace up our sleeve. Then again the chips are down and the stakes are high. Let's say it works. Then what? Confusing our and Evelyn's hypnosis isn't going to happen, there is too much evidence for Evelyn having her own hypno-tech, so that is less of a concern. The revelation that we have hypno-tech is the problem. Cause that is something that is best used when nobody knows you have it. And right now, with Synatron's cameras, which may or may not be live streaming this, that doesn't seem to be a good idea. Honestly, the secret that we have hypno-tech isn't worth as much as Mirage is, but it would be better to have both.

Fight On risks the immediate reaction of Hego and our team. The long term issues and investigations can be mitigated by Evelyn being completely insane and clearly willing to project her beliefs on anyone. Mirage is just a convenient target in this instance cause she used to work for Kronos. Long term, unless Evelyn has stockpiled evidence that either she can remotely access, or Edna can get a hold of, the chances of the full truth being revealed and believed are slim. However, the immediate reaction could be fatal as Evelyn uses the distraction her words cause to Circuit Breaker some one or ones. Especially since Mirage is just barely holding it together herself and could easily suffer a breakdown.

Pretend to agree has some issues, but the sucker punch could be just what we need to land a decisive blow. If it fails we have we still have hypnosis or Fight On to fall back on, but if we go for either of those we wouldn't have the sucker punch of Pretend. The concern is holding Mirage's nerve. She is good at intrigue, but again she is barely holding it all together. Still getting Evelyn to feel in control for a moment will allow us to land that sucker punch and I honestly think thats our best option here. It depends on if Evelyn buys the fake out, and I think she is gone enough to do so.

 

[MrRobot]

Again you make this unsubstantiated claim despite the fact that I have disproven it.

Are you retracting all of the arguments you have made to me that I have proven wrong?

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You did not disprove nothing. you assumed that the feds will arive and take dow evelyn and will be able to find her off the book lab.
Its clear that is not a discussion anymore but rather is about being "right" to you so im promptly ignoring your bad faith arguments.

 

[Nystical]

Its clear that is not a discussion anymore but rather is about being "right" to you so im promptly ignoring your bad faith arguments.

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I don't see the logic of how wanting to win an argument means he's arguing in bad faith.

Wouldn't wanting to win the argument literally mean he's arguing in good faith? In that he actually believes what he's arguing for, and wants to convince you (and others witnessing the argument) that his point of view is correct.

In order for his argument to be bad faith, he has to have some kind of hidden agenda. Insulting your intelligence (as you accused him of before) isn't an agenda, it's just a byproduct of him being terse. You're using a buzzword inappropriately.

You shouldn't just go out randomly accusing people of arguing in bad faith. That's a big accusation.

 

[Mojave]

This isn't what Evelyn wants. She wanted to protect her brother? He's lying in a smoking heap. She wanted to discredit supers? Hego is not only still standing, but more heroic than ever. Sinatron knew just how to press her buttons to bring out the worst in her. I don't think it's too late to diplomb this. Evelyn is literally trying to bargain with us right now. She wants a way out.

-[] Write-In: Second Chances
--[] Make an appeal to Evelyn's humanity. Is this really how she imagined her dreams coming to fruition? This can end now if she submits to be taken into custody. We'll see Winston gets medical treatment immediately, DEI will immediately begin working on a cure should she desire it, and she'll have the best lawyers money can buy. She doesn't need to be defined by her worst choices or worst days.
--[] At the end of this, she'll still have her life, and she'll have Winston.

 

[MrRobot]

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Look, i made a point, he nitpicks and keep nitpicking it until i concede something so he acts that the he was "right". If this isn't bad faith by definition, its certainly intelectualy dishonest.
There's no discussion to be had, rather it's a matter of winning, nothing productive comes out of keep engaging with those short of people.
So i moved on.

 

[Arathnorn]

Because that would destroy the narrative the OP had been working up to; so Evelyn got plot armor, and we now have to deal with this "do or die" choice, instead of the fight being over already.

Don't you just hate it when the OP ignores success in the name of narratives, but applies all failures when it benefits the narraitive?

{edit} It's my biggest reason why I don't vote in this quest. The OP is inconsistent with roll application. Well, less inconsistent, and more, what would create the most drama with the least amount of effort on the OPs part to drum up. But hey, as long as one can ignore the inconsistencies, it's still a moderately okay story that has huge plot holes glaring left right and center. And if it's good enough for Harry Potter, there's no reason it can't work here.

I mean, yeah, it takes some mental gymnastics to ignore said plot holes, and just enjoy the rest of the story... but on the other hand, glaringly obvious plot holes.

{Edit2} Well, unless the math that was shown, isn't the math that was used... So, that may have negated the triple crit down to merely a single crit... and then we just didn't see the save will roll on Evelyn's part. But... until told otherwise, kinda have to assume that the shown math is appropriate, and thus was promptly ignored in favor of the narrative flow, thus granting Evelyn plot armor for that contest.

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Even if you discard the general unspoken concept that 'bosses go down harder', a single crit success has by no means been a guarantee of taking a target down. It has been clearly established as something that deals a lot of damage, as

The woman seems to be coming to the end of her thread in every conceivable way.

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Would imply.

 

[Mojave]

Is anyone here really playing Doofquest to "win"? I'm voting on the content I'd like to see. I'd much rather see something dramatic, even something that has the chance to be dramatic than "Lizzy used her ants to win, congratulations!"

 

[A_Somebody]

This isn't what Evelyn wants. She wanted to protect her brother? He's lying in a smoking heap. She wanted to discredit supers? Hego is not only still standing, but more heroic than ever. Sinatron knew just how to press her buttons to bring out the worst in her. I don't think it's too late to diplomb this. Evelyn is literally trying to bargain with us right now. She wants a way out.

-[] Write-In: Second Chances
--[] Make an appeal to Evelyn's humanity. Is this really how she imagined her dreams coming to fruition? This can end now if she submits to be taken into custody. We'll see Winston gets medical treatment immediately, DEI will immediately begin working on a cure should she desire it, and she'll have the best lawyers money can buy. She doesn't need to be defined by her worst choices or worst days.
--[] At the end of this, she'll still have her life, and she'll have Winston.

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Honestly, this. Evelyn's presenting what's functionally a no-win scenario here with the "Let me go or I'll blab" proposition. The only option is not to play and all. I'd say recentering the conversation on her, the lady who maybe just killed her brother over some blunt honestly is the way to go.

 

[Alex Sol]

So I am thinking that at the end of the day we would need to give some explanation to Hego and Edna. Possibly make some kind of public statement too. The question is do we deny everything or admit to some lesser crimes to reduce overall suspicions?

Also our bonus for hypnosis larger than fighting one. It is more dangerous for us in the case of failure but at the same time less likely to fail. Write-in that combines both fighting and hypnosis approaches can be useful here.

[] Write-in: Mirage Story
-[]Have Mirage come out and speak with Evelyn."You are correct. The truth is I worked at Kronos before. I am well aware of what Syndrome has done here. Of corruption and backroom deals, of passing laws that suited his twisted agenda. When company changed owners and no one took falling for it I knew that something went wrong and someone decided to cover it all. I just never suspected that you actually decided to continue his horrible legacy in its fullest. He was a monster, Evelyn, and I am not shy to say that I am glad that he is no more. You may consider me a monster too, but at the very least I will never hurt my own family and those I consider as such. Winston may yet life if given first aid in time and for it you need to go down"
-[] While Mirage keep all attention on herself, have Mezmerella retrieve dropped earlier by Evelyn mind control tech and Marco with Lizzy assume advantageous fighting positions. If it seems that Evelyn losing patience and intent to throw more accusations your way, provoke her into attacking earlier by bringing up the possibly dead Winston to push her buttons. When talking to her stay near something that can work like a lightning rod and save you from Evelyn retaliation if she loses her temper.
-[] Have your team attack Evelyn and bring her down. Before fighting or during it if opportunity presents herself have Mezmerella hypnotize Evelyn into surrender. Point on the half broken Evelyn tech in Mez hands as to the reason you were able to do so, to keep Mezmerella real identity hidden from general public.


Alternatively this

-[] Write-In: The Revelation Will Not Be Televised

--[] Come out of hiding to offer Evelyn another option. She's been turned into something she hates, but it's not too late to change that. Mention that Mirage let herself become something terrible in the past as well (without offering specifics obviously). Offer DEI's unmatched scientific prowess to reverse the process Sinatron forced on her. Suggest that the powers have made her hurt somebody she loves already, and if she doesn't take this chance to fix herself she's going to destroy everything she ever built or cared about. The offer is as much for the camera as for Evelyn, but giving some preemptive spin to her possible accusation and at least offering a peaceful solution can't hurt the optics.
--[] If Evelyn is unwilling to see reason, try to goad her into attacking by bringing up the possibly dead Winston to push her buttons (better than Evelyn standing and monologuing about Mirage's crimes) - if she takes a shot at anybody, Mezmerella and the martials take her down as quickly as possible, hypnosis absolutely on the table.

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or this

-[] Write-In: Second Chances

--[] Make an appeal to Evelyn's humanity. Is this really how she imagined her dreams coming to fruition? This can end now if she submits to be taken into custody. We'll see Winston gets medical treatment immediately, DEI will immediately begin working on a cure should she desire it, and she'll have the best lawyers money can buy. She doesn't need to be defined by her worst choices or worst days.
--[] At the end of this, she'll still have her life, and she'll have Winston.

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can work as a Mirage speeches too.
Although offering Evelyn lawyers is a step too far here I think. She can pay for them herself and it can look like us taking her side here.


We just need to decide what generates more immediate trust toward Mirage. We might need this trust to attempt to retrieve Sinatron and Evelyn afterward. Like suggest that Evelyn needs immediate medical attention and normal medical facilities would not work due to her lighting powers. Then have Mezmerella remove her memories about Mirage when opportunity presents yourself.

 

[Nystical]

We just need to decide what generates more immediate trust toward Mirage. We might need this trust to attempt to retrieve Sinatron and Evelyn afterward. Like suggest that Evelyn needs immediate medical attention and normal medical facilities would not work due to her lighting powers. Then have Mezmerella remove her memories about Mirage when opportunity presents yourself.

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I'm really liking the idea of tricking Evelyn right now, and then using hypnosis to wipe her memories after the cameras stop rolling.

Good thinking.

 

[bigking321]

I really don't think we can make big speeches here and not get zapped.

She doesn't want us to talk she wants us to leave. And she's insane and may have just killed her brother. She is not stable.

We can't make a speech. We could maybe yell out a sentence.

We are picking a course of action during a lull in a fight.

We can stay and keep fighting.
Pretend to leave and keep fighting.
Try and use hypnosis (bad idea) and succeed or fail and keep fighting.
Or actually leave.

 

[Nystical]

Try and use hypnosis (bad idea)

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Why did you slip in some false statement in here?

Keeping secret the fact we have access to hypnosis technology isn't as important as protecting Mirage.