DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest

[The Froggy Ninja]

Even if you discard the general unspoken concept that 'bosses go down harder', a single crit success has by no means been a guarantee of taking a target down. It has been clearly established as something that deals a lot of damage, as



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My issue is more that she decided to focus in on someone who was literally hiding over the people who were actively fucking up her shit. Reacting to "Lizzie just (triple) crit on me with a bunch of bugs" with "rant at Hego and blackmail someone I'm not even sure is still in the room" rather than "go full bug zapper on bug girl" is somewhat odd.

Anyway, is there any reason we'd need to go full ham on hypnosis? It seems like a flashbang/stunner type thing would be both more accomplishable than complex commands and less likely to get us in trouble, while still fulfilling the "stop Evelyn from blabbing before we beat her up" condition.

 

[bigking321]

Why did you slip in some false statement in here?

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Why are you calling it false? It's a terrible idea.

If it WORKS we reveal that we have hypnosis tech. That could put suspicion on us for this whole disaster. No one's seen Evelyn do anything but zap people. Edna already doesn't trust us at all. Why give her ammo that she could use against us? Let alone doom or anyone else watching the potential livestream. And that still doesn't save Mirage unless Sinatron wasn't actually broadcasting live.

And if we fail at hypnosis then we do all that and still have to fight her.

I think it's better to either fight her or pretend to agree then fight her.

And I genuinely believe all of this to be true so please don't accuse me of spreading false statements. I really do think it's a bad idea.

 

[w34v3r]

I thought we advertised the hypnosis tech? Or mentioned it in a musical number.

 

[bigking321]

I thought we advertised the hypnosis tech? Or mentioned it in a musical number.

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We just got it last turn?

 

[w34v3r]

I may be conflating an actual musical number from the show then.

 

[TheCount]

Just an idle thought.... but would Evelyn keep her word, about not telling?

 

[The Froggy Ninja]

I may be conflating an actual musical number from the show then.

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Or Doctor D's Brainwashing Shampoo and Cranium Rinse.
And I still hold that we can probably do something more subtle than "OBEY". States of non-verbal stupor are common as a side effect of entering or exiting a state of hypnosis and inducing a smidge of brain reboot to get an edge is a lot less scary than active subversion of free will.

 

[DaOneInDaCorner]

Just an idle thought.... but would Evelyn keep her word, about not telling?

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As blackmail to hold on Mirage, maybe. But realistically, this is the lady who's been deceiving everyone, including her brother for who know's how long. I wouldn't trust her as far as Hego can eek out an unfixed win in a fight.

 

[Alex Sol]

Why are you calling it false? It's a terrible idea.

If it WORKS we reveal that we have hypnosis tech. That could put suspicion on us for this whole disaster. No one's seen Evelyn do anything but zap people. Edna already doesn't trust us at all. Why give her ammo that she could use against us? Let alone doom or anyone else watching the potential livestream. And that still doesn't save Mirage unless Sinatron wasn't actually broadcasting live.

And if we fail at hypnosis then we do all that and still have to fight her.

I think it's better to either fight her or pretend to agree then fight her.

And I genuinely believe all of this to be true so please don't accuse me of spreading false statements. I really do think it's a bad idea.

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It is bad idea in how it presented in basic options, but there is no strictly good option here. I really think that combining some of them in one would be better approach here.

Also Mirage speech is not immediately doomed to failure since Evelyn would not have brought Mirage involvement at all if she was winning and did not needed breather from fighting herself.

So we can try for Mirage to speak to Evelyn and have Mez subtly hypnotise Evelyn into following Mirage suggestions, so mind control is not immediately obvious. Or pick up Evelyn mind controlling googles that she fried when fighting with Sinatron earlier, and make it look like we are using Evelyn own tech. Its mind control abilities where pointed by Sinatron himself earlier, so it would be believable explanation.

Or we can try to hypnotize Evelyn into stopping in the middle of fight so we can immediately take her down. Or have Lizzie ants take down cameras first and go with hypnotize option.[]Pretend to agree seems like a best of standard options, better than [] Her Own Medicine but we always can try to do even better.

 

[The Richmaster]

Well, that was unfortunate; given how hardy King's are I'm not entirely sure if the triple crit would have been enough... maybe if both Hego and Marco had also crit.

My first instinct here was actually in regards to the short-term of "how might Mirage being outed screw us over this turn", especially regarding the Seeds interlude that she will probably not be able to partake in now which might affect how much info we get on whatever SCIENCE Janus and Jumba got up to but the big picture matters too.


With Edna, Doom and the possibility of the cameras still live-streaming, we're in a pretty dire situation; even if we pretend to leave, get the sucker punch, and Evelyn gets taken down without spilling Mirage's secret and goes on to not tell anyone questioning her about it, there's basically no chance that someone won't end up looking into this.
And, from the sounds of it, Evelyn still has all the proof backed up on Syndrome's computer meaning that whoever gets access to that basically has us by the balls.


I'm honestly having a hard time imagining Mirage still being a viable Hero unit with two or three turns.

 

[Alex Sol]

With Edna, Doom and the possibility of the cameras still live-streaming, we're in a pretty dire situation; even if we pretend to leave, get the sucker punch, and Evelyn gets taken down without spilling Mirage's secret and goes on to not tell anyone questioning her about it, there's basically no chance that someone won't end up looking into this.
And, from the sounds of it, Evelyn still has all the proof backed up on Syndrome's computer meaning that whoever gets access to that basically has us by the balls.

I'm honestly having a hard time imagining Mirage still being a viable Hero unit with two or three turns.

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Syndrome computer is in his secret headquarters on Nomanisan Island,exact location of which likely known only to Evelyn, Sinatron and Mirage. With the first two out of picture we can try to remove evidence before investigators find it.

 

[bigking321]

And, from the sounds of it, Evelyn still has all the proof backed up on Syndrome's computer meaning that whoever gets access to that basically has us by the balls.


I'm honestly having a hard time imagining Mirage still being a viable Hero unit with two or three turns.

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I'm feeling like Mirages best hope is this line from Sinatron.

The Dame who might or might not be earnin' a redemption tonight was over by Voyd and the remains a' what used to be the ceiling.

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It seems like he had something in mind for Mirage. The fact that she might earn a redemption seems really important to me since Sinatron had this all planned out. If Mirage didn't earn it Sinatron just releases the information or something. If she redeemed herself... who knows. He helps cover it up?

Hopefully he's not actually dead. I think it's Mirages only chance to avoid really bad results.

Not counting Edna and Hego of course.

 

[TheGleeman]

Even if you discard the general unspoken concept that 'bosses go down harder', a single crit success has by no means been a guarantee of taking a target down. It has been clearly established as something that deals a lot of damage, as



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So while Evelyn did tank that Crit, she´s basically on her last leg right now.

That would indicate that we just might eek out a "victory" by luring her into a false sense of security and then sucker-punching the shit outta her (remember, given how Sinatron was able to co-opt her plans while she was still relatively mentally stable indicates that she isn´t the best Intrigue and right now, she is anything *but* mentally stable, so she should be even worse off)

Yeah, am currently in favor of [] Pretend as the option least likely to blow up in our collective faces, because let´s face it - as neat as trying to reason with her while covering up Mirage´s more greasy past dealings would be, I don´t expect Evelyn to *let us talk* like that.

I'm feeling like Mirages best hope is this line from Sinatron.


It seems like he had something in mind for Mirage. The fact that she might earn a redemption seems really important to me since Sinatron had this all planned out. If Mirage didn't earn it Sinatron just releases the information or something. If she redeemed herself... who knows. He helps cover it up?

Hopefully he's not actually dead. I think it's Mirages only chance to avoid really bad results.

Not counting Edna and Hego of course.

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Problem with that is, that as good as Sinatrons plan was, he overshot it at the end and didn´t not anticapate Evelyn to get that powerful/destructive from that staged assassination attempt - meaning that anything from her *exploding him* is no longer part of his designs and we are effectively fyling blind right now.

As for Mirage "earning her redemption", while I agree that her coming clean with everything would be a neat attempt at atonement, it would also almost assuredly result in her getting jailed what´s just a few deaths away from *industrial-grade mass murder*.

-sighs- Damned if we do, damned if we don´t...

 

[bigking321]

As for Mirage "earning her redemption", while I agree that her coming clean with everything would be a neat attempt at atonement, it would also almost assuredly result in her getting jailed what´s just a few deaths away from *industrial-grade mass murder*.

-sighs- Damned if we do, damned if we don´t..

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I'm not even saying come clean. I have no idea what Sinatron meant by thinking Mirage may or may not earn a redemption. I have no clue what he was planning to have happen or what Mirage could have done if his plan worked perfectly. Just that there's something there and that's Mirages only hope of getting out of this somehow.

For all I know if Mirage stays and fights regardless of what could happen to her with the information getting out that could count as a redemption. Mirage not running away and doing the right thing at great personal cost. Big emotional climax or something.

And then Sinatrons head says "Ya did good kid! I'll just mentally edit the parts about you out and send the recording to the authorities. Give me a call later. I might have something we can work on together, and I need some bodywork hahaha! Um... good luck with Edna and Hego"

It's not likely but... maybe?

 

[Alex Sol]

Yeah, am currently in favor of [] Pretend as the option least likely to blow up in our collective faces, because let´s face it - as neat as trying to reason with her while covering up Mirage´s more greasy past dealings would be, I don´t expect Evelyn to *let us talk* like that.

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I am fine with Pretend option but I still think we can try to speak with her. In best case scenario it gives us better outcome. Worst case scenario is that she immediately attacks Mirage, but in not willing to hear out opposing side Evelyn is immediately losing diplomatic fight and makes her own insinuations much weaker. And even if Mirage fails dodge roll and ends up being electrocuted I would hope that in Seeds interlude Janus and Jumba would heal and improve her. It is not preferred outcome, but is still better one than her getting arrested in my books.

And Mirage for once taking personal risks can improve her own mental state, since this turn she already rolled once to Keep it together when deciding to remain on sidelines. This is one of the reasons why I prefer write-ins or Pretend option. In them Mirage takes leadership and actively tries to resolve situation, while potentially exposing herself to danger instead of continuing to hide behind ficus.

 

[TheGleeman]

I am fine with Pretend option but I still think we can try to speak with her. In best case scenario it gives us better outcome. Worst case scenario is that she immediately attacks Mirage, but in not willing to hear out opposing side Evelyn is immediately losing diplomatic fight and makes her own insinuations much weaker. And even if Mirage fails dodge roll and ends up being electrocuted I would hope that in Seeds interlude Janus and Jumba would heal and improve her. It is not preferred outcome, but is still better one than her getting arrested in my books.

And Mirage for once taking personal risks can improve her own mental state, since this turn she already rolled once to Keep it together when deciding to remain on sidelines. This is one of the reasons why I prefer write-ins or Pretend option. In them Mirage takes leadership and actively tries to resolve situation, while potentially exposing herself to danger instead of continuing to hide behind ficus.

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Trust me, I see your point, but I just don´t think that Evelyn would *let* Mirage spin her involvement in Syndromes business in a non-catastrophic way.

Damn, Mirage admitting to at least some of her crimes would help her mentally a lot, but the danger of things spiralling outta control completly and DEI having to deal with the fallout of *our Acting CEO having been at least complicit in industrial-style mass-murder* is just so freaking high - and I expect that fallout to be *worse* than back when LM decided to shit where we are eating.

 

[bigking321]

And even if Mirage fails dodge roll and ends up being electrocuted I would hope that in Seeds interlude Janus and Jumba would heal and improve her. It is not preferred outcome, but is still better one than her getting arrested in my books.

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That's brilliant.

She can face her issues head on here. And then Jumba and Janus upgrade her with a better body or whatever with a new identity or something.

 

[TheGleeman]

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That's brilliant.

She can face her issues head on here. And then Jumba and Janus upgrade her with a better body or whatever with a new identity or something.

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..You mean, hoping that Evelyn "kills" Mirage/Elizabeth Pena on-screen to officially wrap things up there, then treating her at home and give her a new, possibly Cape-y identity?

That´s some seriously screwy planning, and I am not even sure I mean that solely negatively.

 

[MrHobbit]

You did not disprove nothing. you assumed that the feds will arive and take dow evelyn and will be able to find her off the book lab.
Its clear that is not a discussion anymore but rather is about being "right" to you so im promptly ignoring your bad faith arguments.

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Well then now.

Let's start providing some evidence.

The national guard is arriving:

Following the end of the Golden Age, most supervillain attacks were dealt with by deployment of the National Guard. Supervillains initially celebrated when heroism was made illegal; very few were celebrating six months later. Most Supers and mad scientists could stop one man with a gun. Very few could stop three hundred, and it is much easier to heal from bare knuckles than bullets.

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So since when was the National Guard on the way?

Ever since the building filled with very rich and very influential people started to burn down. It hasn't been that long since Prince Pyrus kicked the door down, even if the multiple interludes make it seem otherwise.

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We are in Sacramento:

When you arrive at the Joe Higgins Convention Center in Sacramento later that evening, you can't help but feel a slight sense of apprehension.

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It is possible to find Evelyn's labs:

The fact that she'd immediately begun to skim some money off the top for a 'side project', a bit of standard-grade embezzlement her sweet know-nothing of a brother didn't pick up on....

She really shouldn't have relied on those 'Screenslavers' so heavily when setting up her 'off the books' lab. You can't hypnotize circuits.

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Are you going to be providing any evidence for your claims? Because this entire conversation has been marked by me making statements and backing them up with evidence while you have not.

 

[mangawriter77]

[] Write-in: Mirage Story
-[]Have Mirage come out and speak with Evelyn."You are correct. The truth is I worked at Kronos before. I am well aware of what Syndrome has done here. Of corruption and backroom deals, of passing laws that suited his twisted agenda. When company changed owners and no one took falling for it I knew that something went wrong and someone decided to cover it all. I just never suspected that you actually decided to continue his horrible legacy in its fullest. He was a monster, Evelyn, and I am not shy to say that I am glad that he is no more. You may consider me a monster too, but at the very least I will never hurt my own family and those I consider as such. Winston may yet life if given first aid in time and for it you need to go down"
-[] While Mirage keep all attention on herself, have Mezmerella retrieve dropped earlier by Evelyn mind control tech and Marco with Lizzy assume advantageous fighting positions. If it seems that Evelyn losing patience and intent to throw more accusations your way, provoke her into attacking earlier by bringing up the possibly dead Winston to push her buttons. When talking to her stay near something that can work like a lightning rod and save you from Evelyn retaliation if she loses her temper.
-[] Have your team attack Evelyn and bring her down. Before fighting or during it if opportunity presents herself have Mezmerella hypnotize Evelyn into surrender. Point on the half broken Evelyn tech in Mez hands as to the reason you were able to do so, to keep Mezmerella real identity hidden from general public.

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This. I like this. This is a good line of thought to use, and I will admit, my "Story of Buddy Pines" plan was more of a spur of the moment thing. Really, if worst comes to worst and Evelyn blabs, I kinda want to try and set it up so that Mirage was manipulated into it, and as such, not fully responsible, which, technically, is true. They were a thing for a bit, before Syndrome revealed how little their relationship actually meant to him (prick).

Are you going to be providing any evidence for your claims? Because this entire conversation has been marked by me making statements and backing them up with evidence while you have not.

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Okay, enough. @MrHobbit, @MrRobot, stop it. This has gone on for long enough.
Hobbit? At this point, you're not debating. You're demeaning. The above quote and this line-crosser

Are you going to continue to do that or am I going to have to break down the sentences word by word with a dictionary so you don't miss it next time?

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can be seen as personal attacks. You're going too far. Knock it off.
Robot? You have made generalizations and false claims about Hobbit's arguments, as Hobbit has said. It's getting ridiculous. Stop.
You two wanna continue tearing into each other? That's what DMs are for. You two are poisoning the thread with your stupid "holier-and-smarter-than-thou" bullshit. Take it elsewhere. Now.

 

[woweed]

I'm feeling like Mirages best hope is this line from Sinatron.


It seems like he had something in mind for Mirage. The fact that she might earn a redemption seems really important to me since Sinatron had this all planned out. If Mirage didn't earn it Sinatron just releases the information or something. If she redeemed herself... who knows. He helps cover it up?

Hopefully he's not actually dead. I think it's Mirages only chance to avoid really bad results.

Not counting Edna and Hego of course.

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I mean, he's a robot. We can rebuild him. We have the technology. Like, literally we have the technology.

 

[Alex Sol]

This. I like this. This is a good line of thought to use, and I will admit, my "Story of Buddy Pines" plan was more of a spur of the moment thing. Really, if worst comes to worst and Evelyn blabs, I kinda want to try and set it up so that Mirage was manipulated into it, and as such, not fully responsible, which, technically, is true. They were a thing for a bit, before Syndrome revealed how little their relationship actually meant to him (prick).

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Cool. Likely I would not be online by the time voting is supposed to start but if you or anyone else interested you are free to post this plan or take any lines from it for your own attempt.

I just hope that we manage to hide actual killing or if not reduce its impact, maybe claiming that Mirage never killed anyone directly or something along those lines and only in case that we failed to prevent Evelyn blabbing.

If we are willing to take personal risks and speak with Evelyn we at least can present our own side of the story, and not just continue to hide in the bushes like in the [ ] Fight on option, so it is almost automatically better approach.

As for [ ] Pretend to agree, we are told that we will gain only one chance at it, so between it and speaking with Evelyn it is hard to say which is riskier. If we fail our ambush roll Evelyn would still have a chance to blab on us. If we speak with Evelyn she maybe will need to beat Mirage diplomacy to take back initiative, but I am not sure if Mez would be able to provide her bonus to this conversation.

 

[MrHobbit]

As for [ ] Pretend to agree, we are told that we will gain only one chance at it, so between it and speaking with Evelyn it is hard to say which is riskier. If we fail our ambush roll Evelyn would still have a chance to blab on us. If we speak with Evelyn she maybe will need to beat Mirage diplomacy to take back initiative, but I am not sure if Mez would be able to provide her bonus to this conversation.

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The issue with talking is that Evelyn is absolutely not in a talking move- she just vaporized her brother for trying. If we fail any roll Evelyn will have a chance to blab.

The DC for trying to Talk No Jutsu is almost certainly going to be higher than trying to trying to trick her.

 

[DrVillainous]

I'm doubtful of the viability of any plan that involves monologuing to an Incredibles character. The movie kind of points out the flaws of doing that.

 

[KnownParadox]

I'm super against monologues against a character from a series that seems to have a bonus against those, as said above.

I'm also against losing Mirage as an asset because she gets arrested or something. So far I'm with plan false surrender.

I'm not sure how we do it, but I'm hoping we can just cover up Mirage's past by cashing in any favour we might have with the other Kings, or at least give Xanatos or Sinatron a favour to help cover this up, plus just doing it ourselves if we can.

If we can't cover it up entirely, we can still ask for help with PR spinning, with the aid of Mirage admitting to more minor crimes than Accessory To Genocide to muddy the trail, and then eat the smaller PR hit or amount of bribery needed to push people off of her.

In the very worst scenario where Mirage's life story gets revealed in the worst possible light, we publicly drop Mirage like a sack of potatoes, get her a new identity and hire that identity to functionally replace her old self. Heavier PR hit, probably a bit of a money hit as well, but not that hard, especially if Mirage agrees to some minor surgery from our master of biology, hair colour, finger prints, maybe even facial structure, some or all of the above, even none if she doesn't feel comfortable with changing her physical self.

This situation is entirely fixable to be honest guys, calm down. Really I'm more worried about our various characters dying here, because we can fix money problems or our reputation, we can't fix Marco, Lizzy, Mezmeralla, and Mirage dying. Unless Doof figures out necromancy anyways.

Again, calm down everyone, with enough money and favours anything is possible.