Fighting is the riskiest option.
Evelyn can't win here. The National Guard is going to arrive and they will subdue her. She simply can't fight them all off. What we can do is minimize the hurt to DEI, and Fighting doesn't do that.
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Evelyn can't win here. The National Guard is going to arrive and they will subdue her. She simply can't fight them all off. What we can do is minimize the hurt to DEI, and Fighting doesn't do that.
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Furthermore, fighting doesn't just *risk* that the Mirage info gets out, it basically explicitly *guarantees* that it will, and that consequences will be faced.
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- USA
Nah. It's too late for any of that.
If the cameras are recording then they recorded Evelyn threatening Mirage with the reveal of her secret.
She gets captured, eventually people are going to ask what that was about.
She is firmly in burn it all down territory here. Our secret won't last long.
Best to bite the bullet.
Taking her out maximizes the chance of keeping Mirage as a hero unit. Full stop.
Evelyn's defeat is inevitable. How much DEI is hurt by her is what is in question.
I mean, Evelyn's credibility has more or less been shot to tiny pieces at this point. And given what happened to Winston I doubt her mental state is going to approach anything near good.
Personally I'm leaning towards pretend to agree. If we don't want it explicitly out it is probably our best shot besides maybe hypnosis, which has its own problems
Personally I'm leaning towards pretend to agree. If we don't want it explicitly out it is probably our best shot besides maybe hypnosis, which has its own problems
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It isn't just "a" secret.
It's aiding and abetting a serial murderer verging on genocide.
MrRobot
In doubt there's always the Sun!
That's where you are wrong, its not a risk its guaranteed, having mirage arested is a acceptable price. The risk would ve trying to hipnotize her.
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- USA
I don't think we should be trying to intentionally sabotage ourselves.
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- The City of Tears, Hallownest
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I'm kind of annoyed that Eve seemed to just Shrug off Lizzie's crit success.
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- USA
Yeah. That's what's coming out. I really don't think there is any stopping it at this point. Not unless we are going to try and kill Evelyn and Edna.
And on a different point I'm not sure if it counts as genocide. Mass murder, absolutely.
But it's killing people with a certain career, in this case hero.
It's not supers unless they were killing villains as well right?
It's like a group dedicated to killing cops in ambushes like you see every few months. It's absolutely monstrous but I'm not sure it meets the technical definition of genocide.
MrRobot
In doubt there's always the Sun!
Its not, running would run issues with ego and make adna an enemy, pretending and hypnosis risk backfire.
So bite the bullet, we worst case scenario we lose mirage, but we have enough degrees of separation from sindrome's mess. Best case scenario, we lose nothing outside an action.
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Evelyn is clearly acting deranged right now, and it can be easily claimed that she would say anything or use anything to attack anyone currently in the room. Hell she just KO'd or killed her own brother. Evelyn's credibility is shot, but leaving or pretending to leave sends the message that Mirage is worried about what Evelyn might say, implying that Evelyn is telling the truth. Plus there is the distinct possibility that Evelyn would spill the beans no matter what because she has gone completely nuts and wouldn't resist gloating, or attempting to distract those fighting her.
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- USA
Earlier you said it was guaranteed Mirage would be lost, now you're saying it's just a worse case scenario.
Are you admitting that you were wrong before, or do you believe both statements still, and are intentionally choosing what you consider the worst case scenario option because of "Narrative"?
The best case scenario is that we lose Mirage if we fight but DEI's bodyguards are able to subdue Evelyn.
This is mass murder she would be implicated in. The cameras are rolling and having that spill would be horrible for DEI.
This is foolishness.
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We should fight, it seems far and away the best option
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- USA
That's why we should do the hypnosis. We could easily justify it as a takedown method for an out of control murderous villain.
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- California
A nigh triple-crit at that
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- USA
That might accidentally frame us for this whole mess. The guy attacking was being controlled. The absolute worst thing we can do now is show that we have ways of controlling people. Plus then people would know we can do that. And unless it's permanent Evelyn will tell everything about us anyway unless we kill her in cold blood after she's hypnotized.
I'm not at all saying it's a trap option but there are some severe repercussions there.
Are you going to actually say why you believe that? Because I would be very surprised if that didn't flat out end with us losing Mirage as a hero unit.
Hypnosis or pretend are the options we have for minimizing the damage to DEI.
...surely not
Oh. It was. I assume the halved Marcnificent Few bonus didn't apply because Mirage had removed herself from the field?
MrRobot
In doubt there's always the Sun!
I expressed poorly before, its not a guarantee but its an acceptable consequence. Worst case scenario for chosing to fight on worst case senario overall would ve failinf on hypnosis.
No. There's enough degrees of separation between kronos debacle and the DEI that we will not get severely inconvenienced, without proof there's the claim of a madwoman, with proof it shows that Dr. D is clean.
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Evelyn can't talk with a fist in her mouth
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- USA
You're missing the point.
Losing Mirage IS the severe inconvenience.
I don't care necessarily that Doof is clean, it's more about losing Mirage.
Mirage is a critical component in running the actual business of DEI.
This is being recorded and could very well be going live. The Government is Not on Our Side. Let alone how Edna or other people like her would take the revelation.
Losing Mirage would be horrible for DEI.
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[ ] Write-in: The Story of Buddy Pines
-[ ] Screw it. If your story is getting out, you'll tell it your way. Damn the consequences.
-[ ] "You mean my fling with Syndrome? The atrocities we committed together? The blood of hundreds I have on my hands and think of every. Single. Night?"
-[ ] Tell how Buddy Pines was brushed aside by Mr. Incredible, for reasons that made sense; he was a kid playing dress-up, not a hero. He was too full of himself, even then, to see it
-[ ] Tell how Buddy dedicated his life to revenge, to making the word "super" meaningless
-[ ] Tell how he won you over, with his honeyed words and promises, and how you and he led hundreds of desperate souls wanting to help to their deaths
-[ ] Tell how that culminated with his Syndrome Resistance, Mr. Incredible. How he was brought low and broken by you and him... and how he proved to you just how shallow it all was
--[ ]"Release me! NOW!" "Or what?" "I'll crush her." "That sounds a little dark for you... eh, go ahead."
-[ ] Speak of the guilt, the pain, the torture those crimes put you through every night... then look that bitch right in the eyes and say she's no different from Syndrome, because she will never understand what that's like. If anything, she's worse than he'll ever be with what she's done. So she can take her "holier-than-thou" schtick, shove it up her electric ass, and PISS. THE FUCK. OFF
this sounds great!
-[ ] Screw it. If your story is getting out, you'll tell it your way. Damn the consequences.
-[ ] "You mean my fling with Syndrome? The atrocities we committed together? The blood of hundreds I have on my hands and think of every. Single. Night?"
-[ ] Tell how Buddy Pines was brushed aside by Mr. Incredible, for reasons that made sense; he was a kid playing dress-up, not a hero. He was too full of himself, even then, to see it
-[ ] Tell how Buddy dedicated his life to revenge, to making the word "super" meaningless
-[ ] Tell how he won you over, with his honeyed words and promises, and how you and he led hundreds of desperate souls wanting to help to their deaths
-[ ] Tell how that culminated with his Syndrome Resistance, Mr. Incredible. How he was brought low and broken by you and him... and how he proved to you just how shallow it all was
--[ ]
-[ ] Speak of the guilt, the pain, the torture those crimes put you through every night... then look that bitch right in the eyes and say she's no different from Syndrome, because she will never understand what that's like. If anything, she's worse than he'll ever be with what she's done. So she can take her "holier-than-thou" schtick, shove it up her electric ass, and PISS. THE FUCK. OFF
this sounds great!
Not really. It guarantees in a way that even Fight doesn't that we would lose Mirage as a hero unit.
As much as megacorporations own America mass murder in the way that Mirage went about it would absolutely be something that the Feds would crack down on.