Yes, I am aware of the fact that it probably would be a good idea to have disposable capes to form a black ops team. That is one of the few reasons why I would consider doing the Gacha. It's just that I would much rather not have to deal with the shitty options Mirage could recruit if it came down to it.
DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest
- Thread starter Made in Heaven
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I completely disagree.
Having more heros is fine as long as they are
A. Not detrimental to us in either a ethical or mechanical sense
Or B. Heros we actively have a choice in getting.
As long as they satisfy one of those two I don't care how many heros we get. More chance of getting tobe like results.
If there was a vigorous debate but it was decided to get someone like megavolt, well that would be our decision. It satisfies condition B.
If we randomly got him from the gatcha I'd be incredibly annoyed.
Besides heros doing personals can get us some amazing interludes and results. Again tobe.
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Idea for narrative mitigation of public opinion malus:
Assuming the man doesn't have a trait/preference that will make him pass out at the suggestion, Wasabi is probably one of the best hero units to crit. succeed on flubber.
The amount of fail-safes need for Wasabi to be satisfied with the end result would greatly hinder any attempts to stroke fear into the masses.
Assuming the man doesn't have a trait/preference that will make him pass out at the suggestion, Wasabi is probably one of the best hero units to crit. succeed on flubber.
The amount of fail-safes need for Wasabi to be satisfied with the end result would greatly hinder any attempts to stroke fear into the masses.
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- He/Him
Didn't we get Tobe off a completely random roll, and he's been totally fantastic for us so far, if not to the Janna degree.
To be fair Megavolt wasn't the only terrible villain we can hire. There's also the members of the pack. Which makes it 4 possible heroes that can potentially cause a disaster.
Most of the pack are a bunch of psychos who I wouldn't trust to cut an apple.
They're arguably worse than Megavolt since he can at least claim that has benevolent objective unlike the pack who are a bunch of blatantly evil mercenaries
Most of the pack are a bunch of psychos who I wouldn't trust to cut an apple.
They're arguably worse than Megavolt since he can at least claim that has benevolent objective unlike the pack who are a bunch of blatantly evil mercenaries
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Lab_Accident
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On the one hand, the guy attaches plasma blades to his arms and doesn't immediately die of a heart attack, so maybe the tolerance for dangers when studying tech is higher. On the other hand, flubber is the boogeyman. There's a good chance he'd refuse to do it. Even if he didn't, we as questers don't really want to poke flubber right now, so not much of a loss. Doing flubber in space should still be an option for us to maybe consider in upcoming turns, but it's far off and not really high priority.
Edit: Doofenshmirtz Flubber-Powered Moonbase totally fits in our jingle, though.
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I would prefer not to stretch the narrative even further than it already is and lengthen the time it takes for MiH to get Turns and Results out unless it is for a good Hero.
weredrago2 confirmed that we got Tobe because they wanted to give him to us, not that it was random. I had earlier been wondering what if we had gotten another hero, so he responded.
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Am I the only one thinking that certain people are leading the thread in a circle argument for no good reason? A lot of the examples being used for why the Gacha is 'bad' are argumentum ad absurdum at *best* considering the Megavolt example and I honestly think this is overall a case of mountain out of a mole hill. We got plenty of things to worry about and work on, don't need "Oh no, the dice might give us the 1 in a 1000 chance that might screw us." talk trying to strong arm people.
I mean, we still got the Wile.E gang going to meet people that we can arguably diplo pretty well since we have stuff like our purifiers and other aspects of Greevil tech that I think they'd really like for helping to cleanse the wasteland, I do hope we can spin some advantages out of that. With them trading tech and stuff from the garbage piles in return for food, medical supplies and stuff to help them build a clean and secure home for example.
We got Jumba saving Monogram's bacon which I will be fascinated to see...and we got the christmas party coming up iirc.
So lets not let certain arguments lead the thread in a pointless circle and just move on
I mean, we still got the Wile.E gang going to meet people that we can arguably diplo pretty well since we have stuff like our purifiers and other aspects of Greevil tech that I think they'd really like for helping to cleanse the wasteland, I do hope we can spin some advantages out of that. With them trading tech and stuff from the garbage piles in return for food, medical supplies and stuff to help them build a clean and secure home for example.
We got Jumba saving Monogram's bacon which I will be fascinated to see...and we got the christmas party coming up iirc.
So lets not let certain arguments lead the thread in a pointless circle and just move on
Lab_Accident
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- Your dreams
Idea: if we ever get a Hero unit so intolerable we couldn't possibly work with them, immediately capture them and turn them in for their bounty, generating goodwill with the US government and possible Income. That way, the action is never useless.
All we're missing is Granny Weatherwax.
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Omake:All we're missing is Granny Weatherwax.
Fred smiled "You are from Doofenshmirtz EVIL Incorparated. A toon and a government agent. Which way are you tipping the scales, Agent Unknown?"
Agent Russ grimaces and gave the honest answer. "I'm not and not for the expected reasons in your genre, Fredzilla."
Fred grinned. "Doofenshmirtz was considered OWCA's third most dangerous opponent, and in the end he was only that low, because he didn't seem like he actually wanted to take over the Tri-State Area. But he understood narrative, and the weirdness for me was a plus. There were two major reasons for me not to take employment there though."
Max queried "Two? Doofenshmirtz is fairly thoughtless but he tries to be a good employer."
Fred smiles. " I can tell you one. Dr Doofenshmirtz is a super -villain." Before Agent Russ can protest, he notices Fred's wink. Of course the narrative here means super-villains win so Fred was careful to avoid pointing out that despite being petty Doofenshmirtz could easily swap to be a supeherloic bent. It had been a nasty shock when Agent Russ found out the third Time War faction Professor Time was in fact well...
Fred smiled "You are from Doofenshmirtz EVIL Incorparated. A toon and a government agent. Which way are you tipping the scales, Agent Unknown?"
Agent Russ grimaces and gave the honest answer. "I'm not and not for the expected reasons in your genre, Fredzilla."
Fred grinned. "Doofenshmirtz was considered OWCA's third most dangerous opponent, and in the end he was only that low, because he didn't seem like he actually wanted to take over the Tri-State Area. But he understood narrative, and the weirdness for me was a plus. There were two major reasons for me not to take employment there though."
Max queried "Two? Doofenshmirtz is fairly thoughtless but he tries to be a good employer."
Fred smiles. " I can tell you one. Dr Doofenshmirtz is a super -villain." Before Agent Russ can protest, he notices Fred's wink. Of course the narrative here means super-villains win so Fred was careful to avoid pointing out that despite being petty Doofenshmirtz could easily swap to be a supeherloic bent. It had been a nasty shock when Agent Russ found out the third Time War faction Professor Time was in fact well...
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I see where you are going with this, trying to ensure we can get an advantage out of even 'bad' rolls on hero recruitment, but honestly I think the discussion should be tabled for when it happens and we see the QM provided options. most of the stuff being discussed to deal with this is pure speculation from what I can see.
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The quoted section contradicts this statement, They wanted to give us Tobe and they did because of the random event roll, which means it was still by chance, just chance to do something they already wanted to do.
I think MiH is perfectly able to know if having too many heroes is affecting his ability to write the Quest (or to write it fastly enough), just like he removed the Doof Troop trait because it didn't fit narratively.
Seriously, stop trying to manipulate, strong arm and put words in other people's mouth. This is not helping the thread, it is not contributing anything useful and is not based on anything more than mental leaps that would make nick cage go "NOPE!" trying to jump.
Can we call just agree to ignore these kinds of arguments unless they have some basis in fact? It'll help prevent the thread derailing and wasting our time arguing with people that actively ignore anything that contradicts them
" weredrago2 confirmed that we got Tobe because they wanted to give him to us, not that it was random. I had earlier been wondering what if we had gotten another hero, so he responded."
" I would prefer not to stretch the narrative even further than it already is and lengthen the time it takes for MiH to get Turns and Results out unless it is for a good Hero. "
Can we call just agree to ignore these kinds of arguments unless they have some basis in fact? It'll help prevent the thread derailing and wasting our time arguing with people that actively ignore anything that contradicts them
" weredrago2 confirmed that we got Tobe because they wanted to give him to us, not that it was random. I had earlier been wondering what if we had gotten another hero, so he responded."
" I would prefer not to stretch the narrative even further than it already is and lengthen the time it takes for MiH to get Turns and Results out unless it is for a good Hero. "
Lab_Accident
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- Your dreams
You have a good idea that I support, but you're also being really passive-aggressive about it. Please tone it down, because snipe shots don't really contribute to the thread either.
The issue with that is we don't know if it is possible and we won't know until we take it, risking Megavolt and the Pack. This argument is about whether we should take the gacha, and that is an argument for taking the gacha.
How? Tobe is in no way comparable to the Gacha. Tobe was from an RER and he was the specific reward for the RER. The gacha picks a random hero from the rolodex to recruit.
Oh I'm sure he does. But I would still rather not take narrative time away (or lengthen turns even more) just to satisfy the urge to recruit a hero. I'd rather spend that time on heroes that have much stronger narratives. QTesseract put it far better than I did.
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Ya know? It'd be nice if you would have actually mentioned me, or directly stated your objection to my statement instead of stepping around the issue. I did provide evidence for Tobe's recruitment not being random in the same way as the gacha (as in, RER fires and then a random hero is picked). I'm not sure why the idea that more heroes means that it will take longer for MiH to get updates out, that's more work to manage?
weredrago2
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- Florida
I wasn't directing it at you so aside from the saying "If the Shoe fits." I am calling out the poor argument methods being used, not what is being or not being supported, so I am neither being passive aggressive or sniping. I am simply tired of people using extreme situations to fear monger or just digging in and ignoring when anything they say is disproven.
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- The City of Tears, Hallownest
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- He/Him
I don't understand this objection, the sidebar on Tobe was only tangetially related to the Gatcha roll, I was mentioning that we got him from a random event and that he had been very effective for us despite seeming kinda sub-par.
ReaperofInterest
Herald of Disaster
So does anyone think we can get some samples of those weird plants? We might be able to get something useful out of them.
I'd thought you had been comparing the RER roll for recruit a random hero from the Rolodex to the Gacha.
Dunno why I would think that in retrospect.
I'm hoping we can, like I said earlier, we arguably have a really solid pitch for the Terra iirc their name right in that we are working on human genetics or can, have clean/greevil tech that will help purify their area, and we can provide a lot of out of the box tech and supplies that they could use for stuff like the plants that Jumba and Ludvine could work on as well as tech for technor and Wile E.
This could very much be a profitable/positive arraignment for both sides and is something I think we could be more productive focusing on.
Lab_Accident
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- Your dreams
I know it wasn't directed at me. Believe me, I'm tired of the fearmongering and stating personal opinions as fact too. But let's not throw thinly-veiled insults and call it "if the shoe fits".
I don't really care about the topic of discussion itself, since it's always like that no matter the topic, and deeply frustrating. But if you actually want to make thread discussion feel better, be the change. Your comments helped me cool down when I was on the verge of getting pissy, don't give in.
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- Philippines
I think the problem with lovemuffin, is that Doof has been taking them for granted, by giving them mediocre tasks, they feel that Doof is sidelining them like Hego, only they realize it, so to solve the problem, Doof has to do something important for them, let them reach their potential, practive some mad scientist thing, involve them more into Doof's inner circle instead of treating them like glorified henchmen.
Fair nough, I at least wanted to call out the poor behavior being shown and the toxic behavior.
I also want to point out that we could possibly ally with the Terra over the drug dealers being a problem, and maybe get Shego in on it. Get the drug dealers out from being a problem and take the Sky High Kids there for training that would cause collateral damage or devastation (might even improve the trash area.), there's plenty of options.