I thought it was a reference to coils body double and the fact that he isn't there.
Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
- Thread starter LordRoustabout
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Endorfinator
Awkwardly Social
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- California
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- He/Him
@MagicalAmbitions
Not that, the motoroid. Everyone was obsessing over the noble phantasm and seemed to gloss over the final few lines.
Not that, the motoroid. Everyone was obsessing over the noble phantasm and seemed to gloss over the final few lines.
The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
So, is Territory Creation any good? Are skills measured the same way as basic parameters? And does it stack with his existing methods of lowercase territory creation?
Simurgh/Scion with PtV/Contessa go everywhere with Coil's head on life support because it is optimal precog strategy against Aperion.
NameOrdane
Lurker: The Socially Awkward
That's some quadrillionare Sigma grind set.
Although... Do you think that a path to working around a blindspot would be getting Bonesaw to hookup Doormaker's, Clairvoyant's, and Coil's Shards together to get super omniscience? Or at least Coil and Clairvoyant.
Certainly the revenge aspect is very carthartic, but I intended more on the side of understanding. See, the problem with people like his family who rule in tyranny fueled by kindness, is that they have no understanding of the harm they are doing. Make them understand the pain they are causing, by making them feel the pain they are causing, and they will be far more likely to change and understand that they are the problem. It was actually part of the suprise twist involving a BBEG in one of my favorite literary sagas. Everyone assumed him evil, but when he was forced to understand the pain he was causing, he ugh....decided self-termination was the best course of access. And it was learned after that that he wasn't evil at all, but a really good person, who just didn't understand the harm and pain he was causing.
My bad. Didn't realize it had been talked about before.
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Depends on the summoning system. The one in grand order for example can do a
A+++ parameter. The only servant I can remember off the top of my head is Solomon. With that as his noble phantasm parameter, in his servant profile but I'm almost sure there are others that have it.
Apeiron as Freddy, Survey as Velma, Fleet as Shaggy (cause if my knowledge of Scooby-Doo Lore is correct, Shaggy owns the Mystery Machine) Lethe as Daphne, and Tetra as Scooby. They just. Show up to the Very Serious Villain Meeting in Scooby-Doo cosplay. Everyone wonders if Apeiron, the Enigmatic Artificier, just snapped, or if this is some kind of bewildering power play.
just kind of died off?
missing word or two?
missing"
Given his nature as a quasi Heroic Spirit with a fairly significant divine aspect just how vulnerable is he to 'lesser' things?
Given he seems to have taken on a Type Moonverse nature (which is basically a very confused love letter to the Socratic/Platonic concept of the Forms) he's probably appreciably closer to actually being the true divine 'Form' of Joe than everything else is to it's own forms.
Given he seems to have taken on a Type Moonverse nature (which is basically a very confused love letter to the Socratic/Platonic concept of the Forms) he's probably appreciably closer to actually being the true divine 'Form' of Joe than everything else is to it's own forms.
BarbaCoPut
Voluta indomita
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- Argentina
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- He/His
I definitely got this feeling.
I mean... Queen Serenity is basically Sailor moon designed by Victorian dress designers... Now make it a power armor.
Great, and the we get Newtype!Taylor from Celestial Being to comment on the team, and then Tinker talk about Minovsky/GN Particles with Joe.-
Joe would like one of the "sane" Taylor tinkers in the multiverse, and she would like someone who cared for her mother.
Cosmic
Novel Addict
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- He/Him/His
I feel like that'd be something Joe would want to avoid since it'd anger the gods to say you're one of Olympus (basically equating yourself to the gods) and since it seems like something hubristic.
Zookdook1 on Discord suggested Arche.
First principle - Wikipedia
I wonder if Dust Weaving being from Garment played a role in that. Garment doesn't see dust as fuel or ammo, but instead as a material for clothing/fashion. It's a part of the outfit and not something that can be scrapped or disposed of or else the outfit is incomplete.
beings
Earth capitalized?
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I haven't had a chance to catch up on all the comments yet but damn, this chapter felt like a huge step for Joe. Finally getting a moment to let him just really talk everything out about his family situation and briefly touch on his cape life felt like such a massive unburdening for him. Reading the dialogue and his internal thoughts during that felt like a massive amount of catharsis and cleaning of wounds that have festered for a long time and like he is actually realizing just how much progress he has made since the start of this fic. At times I have been really iffy on the pacing, especially for a while there when we were doing like 9 chapters of the ABB fight but right now I can honestly say every complaint I ever had was wrong and this chapter felt totally worth it for all that pacing. You have a talent for creating characters that are very incredibly real.
I am super interested to see where things go from here - at this point power and ability are never really the limiting factors; just choice, morality, and understanding of the situation which leads to things being (hopefully) as character driven as they have been up to this point which is what I want the most. Super looking forward to whatever is going on with the motoroid, the Somer's Rock meeting, and everything that comes after. Has anybody kept track of specific dates in relation to the original canon Somer's Rock meeting? Has this all elapsed in a similar timeframe or are we closer/further away from Leviathan than canon was at the time of the ABB's defeat?
I am super interested to see where things go from here - at this point power and ability are never really the limiting factors; just choice, morality, and understanding of the situation which leads to things being (hopefully) as character driven as they have been up to this point which is what I want the most. Super looking forward to whatever is going on with the motoroid, the Somer's Rock meeting, and everything that comes after. Has anybody kept track of specific dates in relation to the original canon Somer's Rock meeting? Has this all elapsed in a similar timeframe or are we closer/further away from Leviathan than canon was at the time of the ABB's defeat?
Rem Freeman
Clouded Personality
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For whatever reason, whenever I think about Joe's team and its name, I just keep coming back to calling them The Forge. The place, and in this case the group, from which all great creations come from. Simple and to the point, I feel like it would fit well with the image Joe is trying to build up. Then again, I am a fan of understated team names like this, so definite bias there 😋
On a completely different subject, I went to check out the reference document for the BCF perks, and I noticed what I think is a new tab for the Personal Reality Constellation. Is this new, or has it always been there and I've just been blind? Either way, are these perks that Joe can get? If so, I cannot wait for him to get something like the Key Link system that would allow Joe to close the door to his lab and access it from any door he's used to get to the lab before. I feel like this would cover up one of the larger weaknesses still facing Joe today in the vulnerability of his lab, automated defenses not withstanding.
Finally, on a personal note @LordRoustabout , as someone who has had to go through a fair amount of therapy, especially in regards to my family, I think you knocked this scene out of the park! Really great writing that I felt did a fantastic job of conveying just how hard it can be to stand up to people who have such a negative effect on you, all in the name of the greater good. Coming into this scene, I was unprepared for just how much I was going to connect with what Joe was saying. Just really awesome stuff. Thank you for keeping up with all of this, and I cannot wait to see where you take us next.
Hey, he said one of the week spots he has is his reaction time which agility helped with, but there is another thing he can do right know that will help with that and a lot of other things... Upgrading his neral link, or whatever he calls the thing in his brain. With all the updates he can give it now? Elven rituals + transformer metal + litterly making it a legondary artifact and naming it! He could give himself insane reaction speed, maybe even a permanent bullet time when fighting? He could out hack dragon, in the middle of another fight, alone. It will also help him with anything that will require mental processing, including magic research and control. Heck, maybe all the way up to biotic control if he gives himself those buffs!
Narsauce
The Crucible Shitlord
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- Here, there and everywhere
According to the timeline on the Worm Wiki, which might be inaccurate, the canon Somer's rock meeting was supposed to take place on April 23rd, so a day prior to the current meeting which is set for the 24. As for the defeat of the ABB, that happened slightly quicker than per canon, as the ABB were, as far as I can tell from the timeline, most likely active to at least the end of April. On the topic of Levithan, Lord has stated that it is possible that Levi bumps the schedule up by a week at most to hit Brockton Bay by May 8th. So... we're sorta keeping pace with canon in terms of the number of issues covered. That said, the severity is completely through the roof compared to canon, given that the bombing sprees were aided by March's timing.
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For those interested, the original Word Of God about the Motoroid in ShardSpace, posted March 10th on AO3:
Link to the comment here
Some of us have been waiting these last six months.
And So It Begins.
Link to the comment here
Some of us have been waiting these last six months.
And So It Begins.
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theflyingbiscuit
"Titanic neechan"
Always with the alternate identities.
"You really expect us to believe that mute fashionista capes with clothing manipulation powers show up at the same time and are not related to each other at all?"
Not using it would solve the problem of having to answer why he has such a heavy duty, obviously tinker, white noise machine with blatant emotional calming ability.
He could sell his knife to fix that. One of the set of first known Apeiron creations would sell for some bank.
Apeiron and other metals.
As for team, Leath has to go as she is both his designated inheritor, designated (para)human, and the only one on the team who can even pretend to be impartial as he is not her father. Personally, I like the idea of her ending up in rumors as both Apeiron's girlfriend and Grue's older sister. Naturally she plays it up for the humor and he plays it down to no ones belief. The fact that IIRC her costume both looks good (as all his stuff does) and makes it very hard to tell exactly old she is.
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- Goose Land
Yes, yes, and yes.
Expanding on those answers-
They're rated on a scale of E to EX or [STAR] or whatever the biggest/weirdest thing is supposed to be.
E does not represent "10 times the height of the human cap" in this instance, it represents a very specific basic level of ability with the particular skill. There's a wiki somewhere that goes into detail about the canon explanations and descriptions of each skill and each skill rank as has been provided across the Lore and Mechanics, but I don't remember where it is or what it's called so good luck finding it.
In this case, E Rank basically means that Joe is now capable of Territory Creation as his initial floor not accounting for the rest of his abilities. Higher Ranks would mean that his initial floor is more competent or is better able to bend or break the "rules" of the basic idea, but we're not at the point where Joe is boosting his Fate Ranks (yet) so we can set that aside for now.
I combined these two because the answers involved are linked.
Now I'm not really a Nasu Lore Nerd, so you'll need to forgive me for getting things wrong, but as far as I remember it basically works like this.
Magecraft is broadly speaking "Magic as Mortals can do it without exploding/dying/being Heroically Swole". We've seen Joe use it to replicate Tech/Magitech, and we've seen Joe straight up make Magic Items that only work Because Magic.
One of the things that Magecraft can do is create something called a "Bounded Field" which is basically a magical effect anchored to a location rather than an item or cast as a spell. These can basically do all the things Magecraft can normally do, like create a Someone Else's Problem effect, or activate an alarm or trap (like a Fireball), or act as a protective barrier.
Territory Creation, as far as I understand it, is in essence the same concept as a Bounded Field, brought up to
Heroic Spirits as a (heavily bent, subverted, and sometimes flatly broken) rule are better than any Mortal Magecraft. E Rank isn't very powerful in Heroic Spirit terms. In Magecraft terms, it should be beyond any Mortal Mage-Wizard person within the Nasuverse.
How exactly that turns out is an experiment for the Reader and for the deciding of our LordR.
Now, what this actually means in terms of utility?
If I'm understanding this correctly, Joe now has another layer of magical interactions that he can apply to any location.
That location is filled to the brim with magi/tech infrastructure and those manic (mantric?) booster fields? Joe can slap a Territory effect on top of it to act as- whatever Joe is able to do with Magecraft? He should be able to fine tune a booster effect relating to whatever purpose he has to that particular area, as seen with his near conceptual Magic Item Creation letting him tap into more esoteric effects, but in the worst case it'll be a layer of defenses that would require exceptionally wide reaching sensors to detect and respond to, I think.
So in the end, how useful Territory Creation is will depend on how creative Joe can be with his Nasuverse sourced magics (until he's able to convert different Magic types more easily?). It can either be another redundancy in defense or it can further increase the efficiency of whatever Joe finds the time to apply it to.
I would personally expect the Duplicates to near immediately use it to create a Zero Gravity Room both as a test and because that sounds like something fun to play around in.
MagicalAmbitions
the rose in your vase
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I was specifically asking in the context of the post I was quoting but thanks anyways. I haven't finished Ward yet so /shrug
it's a good name for a power, but not a good name for a team. It's the difference between saying something like "I invoke the power of the Celestial Forge!" vs "We, Celestial Forge, will crush you!"
it's just not as fun. It's like a band name, it's got to have spice. flavor. roll off the tongue.
I think the bigger problem would be that Joe has received several blessings from the actual Olympian Gods, and would therefore feel like he's infringing on their territory or something, but I still think it's cool.
Maybe something like Starsmith?
Some people in the thread have called them "the Workshop crew" before, so what about something like Pit Crew? If nothing else, I think that'd be Fleet's suggestion if you asked him.
Maybe something themed around blacksmithery? Hammer? Ember?
the possibilities are endless!
personally the only problem i can see with the artificial penance stare idea is that if it's Just inflicting that pain on them, they still won't learn anything. It wouldn't change their thought patterns or behavioral patterns, so instead of being "oh god, this is how our actions have affected Joe" it becomes "Joe is hurting us for no reason because he's a stupid insubordinate fuckup lashing out". Which takes it from "this is how you made me feel" to a cruel, villainous reflection of his own pain and suffering upon others.
It would have to be a sort of therapy machine to be viable, walking them exactly through how their behavior affected Joe emotionally even despite their 'completely reasonable concerns' or the like.
the white noise machine doesn't just block pre-cog, though, does it? the impression of it I got from the chapter is that it blocks All attempts to listen in on the conversation taking place, including mundane measures and powers.
so though it might not inherently block Coil's power, he can still only use those methods of info-gathering during his timelines - surveillance, listening devices, asking a thinker, etc. and the white noise machine Would block those. Which would reduce his only means of listening in on a conversation taking place with the white-noise machine to be Literally Being Present for the conversation in one of his timelines (which would be both Difficult to get away with and probably slightly out-of-character for Coil to do - he does a lot of stupid shit, but only when he thinks he has the upper-hand) Or taking it out of play in one of his timelines.
The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
I don't think so. To analogize with standard tech, both the dust and the M particles are a result of a nuclear reactor losing containment, but the dust is like bits of uranium fuel rods while the M particles are more like the beta and gamma radiation released. One was originally part of the device, the other is a by product of the device. Like the few remnants of active effects from the dust making the surrounding materials slightly elemental even though the original dust is gone.
Huh, wonder how this will effect Matrix's nanobot ratios. Hasn't Joe been considering giving him ore 'A-grade' nanites to play with?
The Shallow
Shallow, Yet Deep
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Matrix, as of the moment, doesn't have a gender. However, as to your main point, the Duplicates were working on the creation of more Teir 1 gen3 nanites, which are a lot more powerful than gen1 & gen2 Teir 1s, thanks to incorporating ADVENT tech and Lathe Metal. But yeah, Mythic Forge makes creation time insane, due to the fact that time isn't even happening anymore.
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Yes! Please someone write an Omake about this! Please. My muse is in a coma right now so if someone else could do it? Maybe even YOU WHO IS READING THIS RIGHT NOW?