Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

Fairy Queen probably knows quite a bit about traditional (as opposed to the weird shard stuff she believes in) fae mythology and folklore right? And IIRC Joe should know fae runes/letters/enchantments from the knowledge from his Divine Construct perk right? So (assuming that there's some sort of knowledge about or depiction of fae lettering in myth that is IRL, I know nothing about this kind of stuff) would she recognise the letters? That'd probably lead to some pretty interesting interactions
 
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At the very least she's probably recognize joe's "shard" as being foreign, so that might lead to something interesting.
...Why do people keep acting like forge-chan is pretending to be a shard?
I imagine Sierra would be confused because Joe's fairy is King of Arms, yet his abilities go far beyond that. Heck, with the hijacked trigger and all that, Sierra might be aware that he isn't truly a parahuman.
 
...Why do people keep acting like forge-chan is pretending to be a shard?
I imagine Sierra would be confused because Joe's fairy is King of Arms, yet his abilities go far beyond that. Heck, with the hijacked trigger and all that, Sierra might be aware that he isn't truly a parahuman.
Well I mean she probably would think the "fairy" was foreign or something similar if she couldn't detect it, since the only other logical assumption is that HE himself is the shard, which she also wouldn't think because she can detect shards. Though of course I'm pretty sure she's pretty insane, to say the least, so she could probably come to a totally not close to accurate (Sarcasm) conclusion like "He's been taught by a fairy" -though I don't actually know much about her apart from her viewing lives similar to how March does (living props/inconsequential), and even that's just from reading her wiki page one time so could be inaccurate, and believing that shards are fairys so I could be wildly off from what she'd actually think
 
...Why do people keep acting like forge-chan is pretending to be a shard?
I imagine Sierra would be confused because Joe's fairy is King of Arms, yet his abilities go far beyond that. Heck, with the hijacked trigger and all that, Sierra might be aware that he isn't truly a parahuman.
The hijacked Trigger is exactly why people think that the Forge is connected to him in the same way that Parahumans are connected to Shards. Especially now that he's got faux-[Miniaturization] faux-connected to him.
Well I mean she probably would think the "fairy" was foreign or something similar if she couldn't detect it, since the only other logical assumption is that HE himself is the shard, which she also wouldn't think because she can detect shards. Though of course I'm pretty sure she's pretty insane, to say the least, so she could probably come to a totally not close to accurate (Sarcasm) conclusion like "He's been taught by a fairy" -though I don't actually know much about her apart from her viewing lives similar to how March does (living props/inconsequential), and even that's just from reading her wiki page one time so could be inaccurate, and believing that shards are fairys so I could be wildly off from what she'd actually think
I'm pretty sure that Case-53s are more akin to someone who's been "taught" by a "fairy".
 
Fairy Queen probably knows quite a bit about traditional (as opposed to the weird shard stuff she believes in) fae mythology and folklore right? And IIRC Joe should know fae runes/letters/enchantments from the knowledge from his Divine Construct perk right? So (assuming that there's some sort of knowledge about or depiction of fae lettering in myth that is IRL, I know nothing about this kind of stuff) would she recognise the letters? That'd probably lead to some pretty interesting interactions
Why would she be able to recognise fae runes from a setting that has nothing to do with Worm?
 
The hijacked Trigger is exactly why people think that the Forge is connected to him in the same way that Parahumans are connected to Shards. Especially now that he's got faux-[Miniaturization] faux-connected to him.
Ok, but that has nothing to do with his "shard" speaking to other shards and pretending to be a shard, which I know at least USED to be a popular interpretation of things. I would hope that nobody thinks that's the case anymore, but I can't tell with people sometimes.
 
Because they might have some relation or similarity to historical Fae mythology.
They basically don't. As far as I know, Nasu just had cool drawings on Excalibur in F/SN and then made up the part where they are fairy letters later.

Master Craftsman isn't even technically a Fate perk, but LordRoustabout drew on Fate stuff to flavor a kinda bland 600 CP perk from the King Arthur jump that he thought should really matter. King Arthur does let you go to Saber's version of Camelot, so there is a connection.
Master Craftsman (King Arthur) 600:
Thanks to being taught by faeries anything you make by hand is a great deal better than anything regular human can make. Armor is nearly indestructible and lighter than it should be, blades are sharper, blunt weapons have more force behind them, bows and crossbows can shoot farther and are easier to pull back. Even mundane items like baskets work better, though you can't give items mystical powers without being a wizard or something.
 
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An aristocratic monologue (sarf)
An aristocratic monologue

Jacob stopped writing his report as he heard Uppercrusts phone ring. As usual he wouldn't hear anything from the remote end; the tinkers Uppercrust had access to prevented overhearing, just as they encrypted its electronic communication.

"Ah, Armsmaster, how good of you to call."

Uppercrust gestured to Jacob, who pushed over the abstract of the summit report he had been working on.

"No, no, you weren't interrupting anything important; I'm still working on what to do with the emitters that are in the field interference area. Speaking of, I have to take the opportunity to commend Kid Win to you - the young man seems very dedicated, and a credit to you and this city."

"Oh, one of Casks brews? Of course, of course, you know me, this is entirely off the books and if someone protests, who could blame you for me talking your ear off? Well, there's that woman, but, honestly, she's grasping at any reed now, no matter how thin."

"So, do you want the good news or the bad news first?"

"Good news, then. Apeiron has claimed no territory and has declared himself interested in peace for the city. He also declared that anyone who caused civilian casualities might encounter him, or some of his team."

Jacob spread out the second and third pages of the abstract for Uppercrusts perusal, then went back to parade rest.

"Ah, yes - I thought I'd save the best for last - his team, I mean. Moving swiftly on, you'll be happy to know that the relationships between the city's factions has never been better! As a matter of fact, this was likely the first time I have heard of Kaiser, Skidmark and Faultline agreeing on something that wasn't about Lung. There was a small matter between the Empire and the Undersiders that was resolved without any violence. Speaking of the Empire, they - ah - put their feet in it. Apparently Victors ability does have a continuous effect, something that's enhanced towards whoever his attention is directed and likewise by any attention paid to him."

"Yes, I'm sure that's not very reassuring to hear, but since Kaiser brought Victor to a meeting under truce, well... Kaiser had to pay. Somewhat unfortunately, the payment was not Victors head, but instead mostly monetary payment, a truce wtih the Undersiders regarding those dreadful dogfights I've heard of, and pulling back from a certain part of the city as Apeirons price for not doing anything... unfortunate to them."

"Oh? Survey, a most remarkable woman - thinker, I'd say, but she might very well be a tinker - illustrated the effect. Victors reaction made her observations seem accurate. Don't you worry, we'll come to the rest of his team, later, as I said."

"No, no, I don't mind, feel free to imbibe a bit; it is, after all, your time off, and we're just two men having a conversation. How is Dragon, by the way?"

"Yes, a few friends of mine was rather impressed - though one of them slightly more horrified than impressed, admittedly - when they reviewed the digital spat between her and Apeiron."

"No, I could hardly blame her. I might not feel the same with regards to laws and regulations, but I can understand how someone of her talents feel that she has to restrain herself."

"Eh? Ah, the bad news. Well... the Empire seems to have found and recruited Damsel of Distress. Speaking of annihilator capes, my sources tell me that among Skidmarks new recruits is another, newly triggered one, goes by the name of Scrub. Yes, it's interesting how those pop up. I don't know of any connection, admittedly, but it does beggar my disbelief, too. On the other hand, we all saw the video of what that upstart March did to Apeiron, so it might be a simple matter of two people from the same city having the same thought."

"The end of the bad news? No, sorry to say - the Dragonslayers were there, on contract they said - do make sure Dragon knows, yes? Also, the Teeth made an appearance, tried to claim the territory of ABB and got shut down by Apeiron and everyone else. Yes, the Butcher was there. No, no, we managed to talk down Apeiron on hunting her down himself; though honestly, I don't even think Kaiser considered what a terrible thing that would be, he was so incensed by her presence."

"No, Apeiron didn't seem worried about becoming the next Butcher. I don't know what his confidence was based on, but I hope we don't have to find out whether he does know what he's talking about."

"Yes, Apeiron's team. There was Survey - as I said before, a remarkable woman and beauty, but with the brains and poise that's a rare combination, and then there was Matrix - obviously linked to that giant robot, but more human-sized - he did seem rather upset at the cleanliness of the establishment we met at, but was positively impressed by their service. Proto Aima, the red - mink-like case 53? Apparently there is a connection between her and Apeiron, possibly some sort of familial relation. She ordered a glass of blood and was quite interested in Hemorrhagia - the first time I have seen that one so shaken, rather refreshing I must say. Next, Lethe - the person in the power armour who extracted Apeiron at the end of his spat with Lung. Yes, that's right, the one with those peculiar heels. Lethe has some sort of power, likely some sort of teleportation ability - she prevented Othala from doing something terribly stupid when Victor was threatened by Fleet. Hm? Oh, Fleet is the person responsible for the deployment of the tinker tech that took out Lung. Solid looking man - though his power seems to be related to speed, as he moved incredibly quickly - near teleportation - without causing a disturbance, then caused a sonic boom by raising his arm when he prepared to neutralise Victor. Lastly there's Kataklyzein, a most competent cat, whom Apeiron mentioned would have been able to deal with Lung on his own."

"Yes, it was quite an interesting bunch of people. They seemed to know each other well, too, quite a bit of trust there. Yes, Apeiron was clearly the leader. No, not mercenary - as a matter of fact, they seemed like they were friends with each other; perhaps there is something to that cluster trigger theory? Ah, I see, no comments as usual - oh, really? Well, I'm not sure if I'm happy to hear that, but I have to admit, my sources have given a lot of conflicting information. Due to March? That's... entirely plausible, now that you mention it. Hrm."

"Speaking of Apeirons team, there was one thing that was rather interesting. As Survey was illustrating the effect of Victors ability, four of Apeirons team was unaffected. Survey herself, Fleet, Matrix and Proto Aima, with Apeiron showing occasional immunity. Everyone else in the room was affected, allegedly at a very low level. I thought that was interesting. Yes, a clear breach of the rules. Honestly, who knows what Victor's been up to all these years."

"Why, thank you Armsmaster. Be sure to drink some water, I've heard that the hangover from Casks cures can be rather painful. Have a good night, and please, give Dragon my regards."

Uppercrust nodded to Jacob as the call ended.
"Very well done, Jacob. Let's just get this report finished, and then we can all retire for the night. We have a full day tomorrow."
 
Garment's Fury (Xavier843766)
[Garment's Fury: An Omake]

Many wouldn't know it, but fashion does and can kill. Wearing the right clothes that can hide you from others trying to kill you, to creating outfits that can be so popular that even autocrats would be remiss to start a war against your country, as they'd be killed simply for trying to cut off the flow to said popular outfits.

Garment was a woman of fashion. Err, gloves of fashion. She would do anything to make sure the world would be revolutionized in the world of fashion, to make sure that people respected the industry, the lifestyle. It wasn't simply wearing the right clothes. Fashion had been the way for men and women to show off how well they provided their communities long before the written word had ever existed, even if most weren't aware of that fact.

The only thing that came close was the relationship she had with her friends. Joe. Aisha. Tybalt. Survey. Fleet. They who not only encouraged her joy in fashion, but even gave her an outlet to the outside world, her own official platform, her own shop! She would do anything, anything, for the ones who not only tolerated her eccentricity, but even went out of their way to help her.

Garment wasn't the best at communicating verbally, it was a moderate flaw, but she could listen. She could observe. She saw Aisha looking through her phone only for her face to look panicked and visibly upset.

Looking over her employee's shoulder, she'd apologize later, she noticed that Aisha had been looking at something in her feed. The Undersiders debut at the bank, and the missing niece of the mayor, Dinah Alcott. The date was the same.

"Joe's going to be so upset with himself and the Undersiders." She whispered, frantically thinking on what to tell him. Joe was someone that Aisha cared very much about, practically an older brother in all but name, but she also didn't want her actual brother killed if he said or did something stupid. Which he would.

Garment patted her back gently, getting her attention before very carefully explaining she'd take care of it. Aisha seemed to relax a fraction. "You'll tell Joe for me? I don't know if I'd explain it right and I know he's more patient with you." She said with relief.

Garment, noting she really would need to add to the apology later, lied to her with a thumbs up. As Aisha remained in the Workshop, Garment zoomed out into her store, whipping through the clothes into the back.

Fashion wasn't just clothes. Stylish didn't mean defenseless, after all. Fashion, shortly put, was anything ever made to be worn to show off. Worn to express a style that others would have no choice but to be eye-catching. Oh, they'd notice alright. It would be last thing they ever see, Garment thought to herself grimly.

Deductive reasoning was that the Undersiders had been at the bank for the debut, and that someone else had taken Dinah using that as a distraction. Coil was the boss of the Undersiders. Thus, the connection had to be that Coil most likely took her in the same period.

How would she find Coil? Oh, that was easy.

The man had bought from her store, under Thomas Calvert's identity. A smooth black suite that seemed to absorb the surrounding light had grabbed the man's attention and he purchased it happily with a large tip to her as well.

How'd she connect the dots? Survey. Survey had access to anyone who purchased through her store. Following the trace to the bank account to the civilian name, and then cross-referencing the name to show that Thomas Calvert had also owned the construction company that had worked on another project. Digging into those files and noting that they had been hidden very well, made that even more obvious.

Once again, she'd need to make another apology to Survey for having her hold back on telling Joe for now. Joe was just struggling to keep up as it was.

Her work quickly done, she left her store, the sign switched to closed as she flew out into Brockton Bay.

Coil had just finished asking his pet the questions on Apeiron's Celestial Forge, unfortunately realizing that his pet's powers were still being blocked by March's Thinker power. Then, everything went to hell.

A hundred thousand red threads began to carve up through his defenses and men like butter, a red cloaked figure with two white gloves floating eerily through the air inside his base within minutes. Guns were sliced apart, arms and limbs diced and crushed with ease.

The last thing he saw through corridor three's camera was a white glove pointing ominously at him before the camera cut off.

He immediately tried to split a timeline, and got a headache for his efforts. 'Damn March!' Coil snarled as he began to start the self-destruct sequence and began to call for the Travellers. Immediately after informing them of the resulting attack at the base, he ran from the room, attempting to get out into the escape tunnels.

He barely made it fifty feet before he could hear the walls being torn apart, his panicked breathing registering to him as he saw the red threads that now glowed ominously in front of him already. He never stood a chance.

Turning back to the entrance of his base, the same red hooded cloaked figure stood now, the same white gloves casually weaving threads that cut through everything in the base like butter. He didn't need to radio anyone to know that the Travellers and Noelle were now very much dead. His pet may have saved herself using her powers, but after drugging her, she was likely also dead. His work, decades of effort, in tatters.

He raised a gun to the figure, a snarl on his lips. "Don't come any closer. I have friends in high places. Cau-." Before he could even say the word that would save his life, or so he'd have hoped, the white glove blurred through the air and grabbed his throat, choking him and raising him into the air.

The red cloak unraveled into words.

'Coil, go fuck yourself in Hell. Tetra enjoys the snack, btw.'

The red threads began to dig into his flesh, and Coil could only scream in agony as he could feel the threads digging into his nervous system, sucking the life out of him. He desperately tried to activate his powers and was stunned to feel something of a breakthrough, only for the last minutes to drag on as the threads began to dig deeper into his brain.

Aisha had looked nervous to see Joe looking confused as she had asked if Garment had told him anything. As Joe clearly didn't know what she was talking about, she looked utterly miserable as she began to try and explain what she had figured out until Joe seemed to stiffen and look past her.

She turned and froze, seeing Garment happily making several more outfits for a young girl that looked identical to the one who had been missing for a while now. Dinah Alcott looked a little out of it but seemed to tolerate the gloves happily waving to them all past the opening to the Celestial Forge.

Joe's head tilted. "Huh. Garment took care of Coil. I wonder how Tattletale and the Undersiders will feel when they hear about this. Or Taylor for that matter." He looked grateful to avoid having to call his family, again, and turned back to Aisha.

"You were saying something, Aisha?" She woodenly shook her head and went to grab herself some soda. Even using her powers to scream obscenities didn't cover how drained, relieved, and annoyed she felt right now. Mostly relieved, she admitted grudgingly to herself.

End Omake
 
I thought that shards talked to each other by transmitting (or whatever the correct word is) data, while Broadcast (I'm pretty sure that's the name of the shard) was capable of complex communication and was used for Entities to communicate, which is why he was so good with parahumans?
To the best of my knowledge the sort of access that Shards have to eachother during a Trigger Event is highly abnormal and Broadcast is unique in its ability to do that even after configuring its connection to its Host.
They basically don't. As far as I know, Nasu just had cool drawings on Excalibur in F/SN and then made up the part where they are fairy letters later.

Master Craftsman isn't even technically a Fate perk, but LordRoustabout drew on Fate stuff to flavor a kinda bland 600 CP perk from the King Arthur jump that he thought should really matter. King Arthur does let you go to Saber's version of Camelot, so there is a connection.
Yeah but even then there's something to be said for how much of the Nasuverse could be taken as Canon and how much of it would have to be accepted as a representation restricted by the medium.
 
Well I mean she probably would think the "fairy" was foreign or something similar if she couldn't detect it, since the only other logical assumption is that HE himself is the shard, which she also wouldn't think because she can detect shards. Though of course I'm pretty sure she's pretty insane, to say the least, so she could probably come to a totally not close to accurate (Sarcasm) conclusion like "He's been taught by a fairy" -though I don't actually know much about her apart from her viewing lives similar to how March does (living props/inconsequential), and even that's just from reading her wiki page one time so could be inaccurate, and believing that shards are fairys so I could be wildly off from what she'd actually think
I like how Hive Daughter did it she was the "Silent Queen", because of the negation field she generated being a nascent Tyranid overmind.

Edit: PS: Damn 2 omakes back to back!
 
...Why do people keep acting like forge-chan is pretending to be a shard?
I imagine Sierra would be confused because Joe's fairy is King of Arms, yet his abilities go far beyond that. Heck, with the hijacked trigger and all that, Sierra might be aware that he isn't truly a parahuman.

Glaistig Uaine: "What happened to you, prop ? The strings between you and your fairy are cut."
Apeiron: "I got a choice when I triggered."
"The one you choose isn't your fairy." She pout adorably. "And whatever it is, it's snickering at my attempt to peak behind the curtain."
"Yeah, my passenger is a bit of a troll."
"He's not a fairy. But he's a troll alright. He find me cute. Cute. I'm the Keeper of the Dead, damn it !"
"So he's not a passenger disconnected from the shard network ? That's new."
"It's closer to... father maybe ? Owww, he doesn't like the comparison."


Dragon: "when it come to Apeiron, the madwoman is the only one with a clue. I'm sure it's a cosmic horror trope."

(Also, Glaistig real name is Ciara, not Sierra)
 
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I've seen Apeiron's shard referred to as King of Arms in this thread a lot. What's the significance of that? Is King of Arms a shard in canon? Is it from a WoG somewhere?
 
I've seen Apeiron's shard referred to as King of Arms in this thread a lot. What's the significance of that? Is King of Arms a shard in canon? Is it from a WoG somewhere?
WoG is that the Biotinker/Master passenger Joe would have obtained without the Celestial Forge intervening is named King of Arms. This is not a named shard from canon.

What I'm wondering is whether it's a noble shard, given the name. If so, what is its role in the Cycle?
 
What I'm wondering is whether it's a noble shard, given the name. If so, what is its role in the Cycle?

Noble shards were listed in canon by Ciara. They are the fairy queen (Ciara / Glaistig Uaine), queen administrator (Taylor / Khepri - QA is the common fanon name, but I'm pretty sure Ciara only call it "administrator"), champion, high priest (David / Ediolon), observer, shaper (Amy / Panacea), and the demesnes-keeper.

So no, King of Arms isn't noble, unless a WoG come and contradict this (at which point we'll learn what was his purpose in the Cycle).
 
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Noble shards were listed in canon by Ciara. They are the fairy queen (Ciara / Glaistig Uaine), queen administrator (Taylor / Khepri), the champion, the high priest (David / Ediolon), the observer, the shaper (Amy / Panacea), and the demesnes-keeper.

So no, King of Arms isn't noble, unless a WoG come and contradict this (at which point we'll learn what was his purpose).
Its not a canon shard. Why would Ciara name it in canon then?
 
Noble shards were listed in canon by Ciara. They are the fairy queen (Ciara / Glaistig Uaine), queen administrator (Taylor / Khepri - QA is the common fanon name, but I'm pretty sure Ciara only call it "administrator"), champion, high priest (David / Ediolon), observer, shaper (Amy / Panacea), and the demesnes-keeper.
"Queen administrator."

"Faerie Queen," I responded. "Mind if I share your fire?"
Extinction 27.4

Not a fanon name. But is often shortened in series to just Administrator
 
I've seen Apeiron's shard referred to as King of Arms in this thread a lot. What's the significance of that? Is King of Arms a shard in canon? Is it from a WoG somewhere?
Found the WOG on Joe's original shard:
So, in a probably futile attempt to offset that cheery subject, here's something that will probably never come up in story: the identity of Joe's origional shard. I'm going to spoiler this out in case anyone wants to stay in suspense, and I may change some details of it in the future, but for anyone who wants to know, here are my current notes on the matter:
Joe's shard was a Scion shard that Glaistig Uaine would refer to as The King of Arms. In terms of shard hierchy it could be called a semi-noble shard, in that it's not essential to the cycle, but still provides important utility.

The King of Arms is responsible for documenting the host species of the entities, both their biology and psychology. It has detailed records of the physical makeup, culture, and neurology of every species encountered from the point when it was created. When Scion or Eden needed to make their human models for the creation of their avatars they used the The King of Arms. It was able to draw from experience of the previous cycles to construct models of the mentality and biology of the next host species. It also provided guidelines to allow triggers not to harm their hosts, essentially helping to facilitate the Manton effect. All of these functions could be managed by other shards, but entities large enough would have a dedicated shard for this purpose.

It's the kind of shard that leans heavily towards master or changer powers, with any other expressions being applied through that lens. For instance, if its host had a brute trigger it would probably go changer/brute for some kind of combat form based on its records of biological information. Blaster would probably be the same, with things like bioelectricity or chemical production being the way it would express things. Thinker powers would be expressed by directing biological or psychological principles towards its host, or monitoring the same principles in the outside world. Breaker and Shaker powers would be the most difficult ones for the shard to express, and would probably have heavy master or changer elements to them.
 
Been a while since I've been able to put together a reply for the thread. Sorry for letting things build up. This is just addressing a few comments from older chapters and to thank people who wrote omakes or helped with proofreading. Unfortunately, I'll have to get to the comments from the Chubster interludes another time.
[It's the Little Things: An omake.]

One of the gym members had approached Joe during the bakery competition following the attack by Bakuda. "Hey, Joe." The man looked uncomfortable, having not really spoken to Joe before. The man had only recently started joining the gym a couple weeks ago. Joe looked at him, waiting for him to ask or say something. "Do you think you can meet my kid?" The man asked gruffly. "He's really into cars and I'm not the best on that kinda stuff since I usually do electrical work." Joe nodded and the man told him their address, relief on his face, saying he could come on by at Thursday around 1 or 2 in the afternoon.
Thanks for the omake.
So what if instead of the Celestial Forge, Joe gained the ability to summon oodles of friends? One might even call them Companions!

Stellar Friendships!
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An Omake!

She's perfectly nice, I swear!
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I was struck by another Omake idea! This follows the same theme as "She's perfectly nice!"

Maybe some image coaching is necessary?
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level of prestige

an
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Well, It Could've Gone Worse...

It was just after Joe had touched base with the Undersiders. The meeting was... frustrating. Brian and Tattletale were angling for something, but Joe couldn't figure out what. The Undersiders were having something of an internal spat due to whatever Rachel had gotten up to, and that was just making Tattletale grumpy and sour, which made her rather difficult to deal with in general. The meeting had gone on for far too long.
Thanks for the omake.
@LordRoustabout
I just came across an old omake that has not been threadmarked.
Sorry for missing that one. Omakes without clear titles are easy to overlook.
"Jacob Hunt? Is that you?"

Jacob turned to the PRT soldier who had walked over. He sounded familiar, and he had a familiar grin on his lips- "Gary Manning?"
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The 'so' should probably be an 'of'.


I believe it's "natural state or a result of his injury".


The 'form' should be 'from'.
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part about Weld fighting Lung



profit
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The 'her' in this context isn't obvious, only being revealed as Dragon in the next paragraph.
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contended

thinker

profit

Alexandria refers to "her" with no real context on who that is. Chubster knows anyway somehow.


grisly
(gristly would make a little sense, but I'm pretty sure the intended word is grisly)


Thinker



My memory of the scene in question is imperfect, and my memory of Worm is fuzzy on the details, but... IIRC there are four different terms - 'shard' used from Entity / narrator perspectives, 'agent' used by Cauldron, 'passenger' used by Slaughterhouse, and... Glastig Uaine's messed up terminology. Admittedly I probably screwed that up. But the thing is, unless it's taught in Brockton Bay University's Introduction to Parahuman Studies, the concept should be alien to Vicky, and even if it is taught there the idea should be a difficult one for her and the terminology... should maybe match Manton's / Cauldron's? Manton was influential in academic circles, I always assumed given the term for Manton Limits.

But really, I'm probably just confused on that subject.
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Thanks for the update, very nice.


'It', not I


of other capes?
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Additional concerns were raised due to his association with the tinker Tattletale. (thinker)
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not only is this sentence incorrect, but it also appears to be incomplete.

Edit: Also

that should be of.
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It

is

missing period

contended?

missing period

thinker

spent

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missing period

missing period or missing text?

in the bay would

profit?

but none of them

I don't think the word 'wrapped' is supposed to be there

March

anti-thinker
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profit


sea


Hahahahahahahahaha.

He has three unchained AIs, one of which IS a nanoswarm, and two bioweapons, one of which he treats like a daughter. The other he just keeps in the infinite faucet of it he has.



HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAA- *dead space flatline noise*

March, Glory Girl and Triump, officially Case 69. Perfection.

This was a grand chapter, it was great seeing the reactions, hearing the thoughts. And of course seeing how far Joe has come. It's sad they had limited time to go over things instead of a more in depth review for here and there, but it makes sense given it was all leadup to 'We've got a team of basically gods around now and they got the name for it. Be prepped.'.
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bad -> bay

of -> or

not -> none

year -> yard
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This one is supposed to be she.


In context, this sentence fragment should be 'He did not get back out.'
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He didn't get back out.

Typo and missing period.

Thanks for the update, that was great lol
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Roust, this transition is mildly confusing. Made me think the x-ray was of Galant's injuries before the next paragraph cleared it up. Maybe change to:

To make it more clear?

There were over all an unusual amount of typos and minor glitches like this in this chapter. I'm guessing that you had to snatch writing time when you could this week, and didn't have time for the full "write, let it settle, read with fresh eyes to edit" cycle of writing? Don't let the baying hounds in this thread stress you out too much, our bark is worse than our bite really ;)
Thank you, corrected.
Ran the gamut



Previously Tattletale used 'memetic' when talking about PRT insider info. This could just be a word choice Alexandria is making. Just jumped out at me.



For the sake



This 'his' should probably be Apeiron's. The most recent subject being Weld makes it flow a bit weird as is.



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Nice
Thank you, corrected.
Thank you, corrected.
[The Matrix Simulation: An Omake]

How do you tell the difference between reality and illusion? Between a world of dreams and the real world? When all of your senses was hijacked, when everything that made you you was now nothing more than ones and zeros, how do you differentiate between the you in reality and the you in the simulation?
Thanks for the omake.
So lord, question. Would the refueling bay (or whatever it's called) work on the death stars atmosphere in that example?
Assuming you had big enough Garage bays to hold the Death Star, the Fueling Station could only manage to restore what the Death Star would consider fuel. Considering in spacecraft you normally have the ability to manage environmental systems from fuel reserves, the Death Star could probably restore it's atmosphere from that. Vehicles that have oxygen reserves as part of their fuel could have that restored, but generally you can't top up non-fuel resources (air, water, food) using the Fueling Station. If you have internal conversion, like Star Trek replicators, then you can use the fuel to power them, but not supply them directly.

Thinking about it, 'fuel' is a bit nebulous. Could you refuel a stage coach with bags of oats? Refuel a rowed longboat with provisions for the crew? Maybe, and it's a funny image to imagine a gas pump spitting out animal feed.
At least they are talking. And it really does show how precarious everything is when Alec is the voice of reason. Brian is desperately trying to show a front of control to get what he wants, Rachel is testing out her independence but forgetting social cues, Lisa can't trust people unless she knows things (which she doesn't, and it terrifies her) so she sadly goes back to the abusive 'Master' because she 'knows' him, Taylor has many many problems connecting and opening up do the nonstop abuse of her trust and friendship so she treats everyone as "other", and Alec wondered how he became not only the voice of reason but team mediator.

Almost peak teen drama. It's just no one is pregnant or sleeping with each other.
And thank God for that. Definitely not the story I want to write.

One thing I'm glad I was able to bring across was the fact that the Undersiders were teenagers, and at the start of the story they were pretty dysfunctional teenagers. I think a lot of people have stronger memories from the Warlords arc where the team has been through their trial by fire and have confidence and skills born from facing the worst that the world could throw at them. Because that's the image in so many people's minds they tend to write the characters as they were at the end of their arcs, not the beginning. Five minutes after Taylor meets the Undersiders they're all battle hardened friends with perfect confidence in their plans and abilities and no team disfunction. The reality would be very different. It was a unique set of experiences that brought the team to that point and it only takes a slight change to send them in a completely different direction.
Sure just invite aperon over for pizza again. What is the worst that can happen? He refuses?


.... well no it would be if he brings the pizza and they get a taste. Their taste buds would never forgive them. Showing them heaven and then dragging them back into the hell that is fast food.
While Joe can make food so delicious that everything else will taste like wet cardboard, it's not his default state. His food in delicious, but it's also enhanced with different properties. Joe's best effort at pizza would be the kind of thing that could give someone a new appreciation for pizza, showing them what's great about the dish or reminding them of their favorite aspects of it. Unless he's actually trying to burn out someone's taste buds the actual impact of his food will generally be more positive.
@LordRoustabout



The more I read this the more confused I got.

Why? Why are they saying that they HAVE to escalate. Why can't they go back to robbing jewelry stores.
I never understood the Canon Trend of never going back to small time stuff.
You can always deescalate.
Seriously nothing is stopping them from going back to robbing Banks or other similar scale stuff.

All I hear is them going: "It would be easier and People would be more frightened". Which is an argument for more small time stuff NOT against it.

Is that the Parahuman Conflict Drive at its strongest? Instead of going back to smaller less rewarding fights to enter more risky and dangerous Situations.

Or is that just Earth Bet Culture at it's finest like no one can envision Jack Slash going up to a Cashier and then robbing them blind? Or Eidolon helping an Old Person over the Street? Or Apeiron making a Contract with a 4 year old to play Patty Cake for a few hours in return for a hug of appreciation?

I mean seriously if it was just as a means to an End, like for example someone doing Crime for Money and thus obviously wanting more high profile Jobs then yeah it makes a lot of sense to get more and more escalating.
Not to forget Ideological Backgrounds who profit a lot from more attention.

But for Parahumans who are very much fine or for whom it would simple be more optimal to lay low (Regent, Bitch, ... Apple, etc.) going back to small time Stuff should be Ideal. They still get a more severe response sure, but that does not seem to make lower scale stuff unthinkable to return to. Just a lesser Conflict to Reward Ratio.

It's far too late so maybe I am having a continued brain fart but this just doesn't make any sense to me no matter how I look at it.


P.S. How do you intend to handle the Aura Danger Sense? Canon itself is really vague on how it works and it might even be one of the extremely advanced applications that take a long time to master.
The Canon Cast (except Jaune) have had Aura for years and are being dedicatedly trained in its usage by Professionals and they still don't use it much beyond basic Strength Enhancement.
And how does the Danger Sense work exactly? Spiderman Style with different Strength that shows how great the Danger is? An informal Awareness that simply puts you in your highest State of Alert? Will mastering the technique change its Strength or simply make it more reliable?
This has been covered to some extent by other people, but it's basically the fact that the scale they're working on has changed. Response will be stronger no matter what, so lower paying jobs will have more risk. They could get the same return from protection money or payoffs, so it's less that they can't do smash and grab burglaries and more that it's not going to be worth it. An appearance from the Undersiders will necessitate a major protectorate response, and fighting their way through that for a few hundred dollars in stolen jewelry doesn't make sense.

For Aura, the danger sense and expanded awareness is one of many aspects that went largely unexplored. I'm trying to take the original interpretation of RWBY elements, not what they eventually turned into over the years. Ren's display and Pyrrha's speech in the Emerald Forest are all we really have to go off, so I'll be extrapolating from there.
Question about Joe's ability to teach, he can teach someone any of his perks? If so am I the only one who hopes he teaches the undersiders evermore alchemy (bitches dogs with glory girl force fields or the haste ability he used against oni Lee. Hell rachel if she gets her aura unlocked she might pull a Ruby and unlock her packs aura. Try to imagine if Brutus or Angelica got something like zweis semblance

View: https://youtu.be/VFLJ8-j_1AY

Animals with Aura was another thing that deserved a lot more attention than it got in RWBY. Lots of potential, but lots of complexity as well, and there seemed to be a trend to streamline the aspects of the world as the volumes went on.

Joe can teach some of his powers, but Evermore Alchemy isn't one of them. It's basically a magic system, so without some way to teach supernatural abilities to other people he can't transfer it. It was stated in the document that it can be learned in Evermore, but without access to that world and its metaphysics you're out of luck.
She should be able to. Taylor's power is strong and precise enough that she could even sense and potentially control parasites in Rachel's dogs.

Actually, just a random thought: @LordRoustabout, if someone refers Apeiron by some other name (like our thread running gag of the Metallic Monkey), would A Thing About Names activate then or is it tied to Apeiron as a name alone?
The parasites was something of an outlier in Taylor's control, but her entire power in arbratary. Theoretically just calling something a worm was enough for her shard to classify it as part of her dominion. She definitely can't sense mites since her awareness drops dramatically once visible insects are unavailable.

The title from A Thing About Names is connected to Joe's identity as Apeiron. Fallen London actually has a mechanic for cover identities, so it's clear the effect isn't universal. It's tied to the persona of Apeiron, not the name itself. Someone assigns a code name or designation and the title will still trigger. It's something that's been a particular irritation to Vista as she can't refer to Apeiron by her chosen designation, even in her own head, without the title forcing its way into her mind.
@LordRoustabout I have a question regarding mantra systems and magic circuit's. Is Joe able to open someone's magic circuit's? Regarding mantra with Joe's abilities and utilizing his knowledge of heroic spirits/the throne of heroes and mantra could he make a device that's collects faith, fame and information of a person. This would charge based off of fame, that at a critical point will project a copied and modeled packet of information (saint graph) into the throne of heroes? That seems even impressive for Joe.

Also even if tattletale is not able to replicate it between Taylor's explanation of her armour panel to reinforce her uniform can tattletale figure out the basis of reinforcement? Lol especially if Alec was watching web of magic in her periphery.

Ps edit

Also on a side note who would be more dangerous(not to the forge but at large) as the next butcher Coil who might be able to placate the butcher by folding his organization into the teeth and simulating rampages once or twice a week? Tattletale whose thinker power alongside other powers could make her incredibly effective in a fight or Flechet who in protecting garmet kills the butcher.
Most people don't have magic circuits to open. In fact, until Joe has children, clones himself, or starts churning out homunculi nobody but him and Tetra have magic circuits.

Mantra is the power of worship, not general faith or fame. Without actual prayers taking place no mantra is generated. Just being famous won't give you a source of mantra. You need living people with souls actually practicing some form of ceremony.

Tattletale might be able to tell what Taylor's mystic code is doing, but tying it to a cartoon will be a significant stretch. There's drift in the lore of the show and the mechanics aren't perfectly clear. It's not a connection she's likely to make or even consider.

Flechette would be the most dangerous Butcher. Combining Sting with perfect accuracy means she could kill anyone she cared to and nobody could stop her. Tattletale or Coil might be strategic threats, but Flechette would take things to an entirely new level.
 
Flechette would be the most dangerous Butcher. Combining Sting with perfect accuracy means she could kill anyone she cared to and nobody could stop her. Tattletale or Coil might be strategic threats, but Flechette would take things to an entirely new level.

The idea of 'insane Flechette with the ability to control projectiles, danger sense, and enough durability to not be killed by a bullet' is a VERY scary one indeed
 
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