Paths of Civilization

ctulhuslp · May 21, 2017

Andres110 said:
Festivals entrench social values. You want to challenge social values. There is dissonance there.

No, I want to entrench new, better social values. Like iron being totally radical.

If you have a problem with specifically festivals (though I disagree with it), go for double Main GS or something; but, seeing as AN has called challenging 'very disruptive', it may well be worth a lot of Stability, and 0 might not be enough.

highs2lows · May 21, 2017

Varano said:
[X] Challenge belief (Begins event chain)
[X][Main] Grand Sacrifice
[X][Secondary] Change Policy Defense
[X][Secondary] Expand Forest - Stallion Tribes

Entering another event chain without fixing our stability is unwise.

Umi-san · May 21, 2017

Killer_Whale said:
I wonder if Grand Palace boosts the legitimacy (and thus stability) cap?

Possibly. It might also just add diplo or a new action or something, however.

The Mountain seems utterly useless tbqh. Like if qi existed and we had immortal cultivators maybe, but otherwise??

My preferred set of actions is Dam -> Library -> PttS -> Temples -> Palace -> Mountain.

highs2lows said:
There's no real reason to rock the boat by challenging the belief when we can simply abandon it wholesale. We don't exactly have great stability, and i'm not keen on dealing with corruption again.

Idk why you expect this to automatically and immediately decrease stability. And evolving values is always a real reason.

Academia Nut said:
1. The initial response that got you Lord's Loyalty began a process that is militarizing the People. Repeated aggression and mass swings made the idea of having large numbers of warriors more psychologically appealing than humility, especially with the elites trait and all of the chariot contruction being used. You'll have to ditch Honour of Elites first to make it possible to regain Humility.

2. Yes, expansion of armies is something that will be happening if not switched.

Informative and horrifying.

ETA50M · May 21, 2017

Iron Fisted sounds like it could've been very useful but in this day and age all we need to do is wait for some jacksss to poke us to cause a war.

Umi-san · May 21, 2017

[X] Challenge belief (Begins event chain)
[X][Main] Grand Sacrifice
[X][Secondary] Change Policy Balanced
[X][Secondary] Expand Forest - Stallion Tribes

ctulhuslp · May 21, 2017

Academia Nut said:
1. The initial response that got you Lord's Loyalty began a process that is militarizing the People. Repeated aggression and mass swings made the idea of having large numbers of warriors more psychologically appealing than humility, especially with the elites trait and all of the chariot contruction being used. You'll have to ditch Honour of Elites first to make it possible to regain Humility.

2. Yes, expansion of armies is something that will be happening if not switched.

Quite annoying. How do we ditch Honour of Elites?

Umi-san · May 21, 2017

ctulhuslp said:
Quite annoying. How do we ditch Honour of Elites?

focus on the peasantry lol

keenscythe · May 21, 2017

[X] Challenge belief (Begins event chain)
[X][Main] Grand Sacrifice
[X][Secondary] Change Policy Balanced
[X][Secondary] Expand Forest - Stallion Tribes

Lets try and get our breath back before working on our mega-projects list/start another war.

ctulhuslp · May 21, 2017

Umi-san said:
focus on the peasantry lol

Mass levies and focus on loyalty?

I mean, we could also try to get 4th Honour value, but that's farfetched.

Academia Nut · May 21, 2017

ctulhuslp said:
Quite annoying. How do we ditch Honour of Elites?

Hmmm... take a shitload of mass recruitment options and ignore elite units entirely, even to the point of potentially disbanding one of your sacred warrior groups. Also piss off your noble classes repeatedly as well I suppose.

NotteBoy97 · May 21, 2017

Academia Nut said:
Hmmm... take a shitload of mass recruitment options and ignore elite units entirely, even to the point of potentially disbanding one of your sacred warrior groups. Also piss off your noble classes repeatedly as well I suppose.

Would evolving honor of the elites in certain ways allow us to regain humility or our the two lines directly opposed to each other?

hylas240 · May 21, 2017

[X] [Main] Grand Sacrifice
[X] [Secondary] Change Policy - Balanced
[X] [Secondary] Expand Economy
[X] Challenge belief (Begins event chain)

I'm ambivalent on expanding forests in the marches or getting more econ to pay for the sacrifice (and therefore leave us better off to do another sacrifice the following turn since the event chain is likely to cause stability hits).

Edit: Also, we should probably look into making a trading post, as the diplomacy overflow will increase the art we get even more.

Not to mention the information we'd get from it, since we don't really send a lot of trade missions.

highs2lows · May 21, 2017

I really wish the bandwagon didn't fixate on challenging the belief. It ia guranteed to start an event chain. Are ya feelin lucky? Well do ya punk!?

Adhoc vote count started by highs2lows on May 21, 2017 at 12:13 AM, finished with 38116 posts and 23 votes.

15 people have voted
[X] Challenge belief (Begins event chain)
- Ghostdevil
- Varano
- aceraptor
- BungieONI
- NotteBoy97
- ConfusedPotato
- Reader of all
- Potato and Chip
- Umi-san
- keenscythe
- Deathbybunnies
- ctulhuslp
- Killer_Whale
- Abby Normal
- hylas240
15 people have voted
[X][Main] Grand Sacrifice
- Varano
- aceraptor
- BungieONI
- NotteBoy97
- ConfusedPotato
- Reader of all
- Rakuhn
- Andres
- highs2lows
- Potato and Chip
- Umi-san
- keenscythe
- Deathbybunnies
- Abby Normal
- hylas240
10 people have voted
[X][Secondary] Change Policy Balanced
- Rakuhn
- Andres
- Potato and Chip
- Umi-san
- keenscythe
- Deathbybunnies
- Shard
- Killer_Whale
- Abby Normal
- hylas240
7 people have voted
[X][Secondary] Expand Economy
6 people have voted
[X] [Secondary] Change Policy - Defense
4 people have voted
[X] [Secondary] Grand Sacrifice
4 people have voted
[X] [Secondary] Expand Forest - Stallion Tribes
3 people have voted
[X] [ Secondary] Grand Sacrificex2
1 people have voted
[X] No (-1 Stability, +1 Legitimacy)
- Warlord D Thoran
1 people have voted
[X] [Secondary] Study Tailings
- Abby Normal
1 people have voted
[X] [Main] Improve Annual Festival
- ctulhuslp
1 people have voted
[X] Challenge belief (Begins event chain)[X][Main] Grand Sacrifice
- Shard
1 people have voted
[X][Secondary] Restoration of Order
- Deathbybunnies
1 people have voted
[X]Abandon belief (removes WotG)
- highs2lows
1 people have voted
[X][Main] Expand Festival
- Killer_Whale
1 people have voted
[X] Offensive (+1 Stability)
- Warlord D Thoran
1 people have voted
[X] Restore order (Main usage)
- Warlord D Thoran
1 people have voted
[X][Secondary] More Chariots
- Reader of all
1 people have voted
[X] [Main] Found March
- ETA50M
1 people have voted
[X] Modify belief (WotG begins to become a Value rather than Debilitating Belief)
- ETA50M
1 people have voted
[X][Main] Restoration of Order
- Glassware

ETA50M · May 21, 2017

We really should expand our blackbirds once more since I can't remember when we last expanded it.

Hangwind · May 21, 2017

@Academia Nut Assuming the Nomad heroes don't come back, will we start seeing waves of immigrants again?

Abby Normal · May 21, 2017

Glassware said:
Okay, so it's time to go single-issue voter. For me that issue is Stability.

[X][Main] Restoration of Order
[X][Secondary] Grand Sacrifice
[X][Secondary] Grand Sacrificex2

Taking RoO without a [Main] action is asking for trouble. Instead of 1/16 chance of dropping by one stability overall it's 1/4, with 1/4 chance of no change. We can leave policy on Offense for one turn; since there is no target the provinces will instead repair our battered military.

You might want to switch those around, like so:
[X] Challenge belief (Begins event chain)
[X] [Main] Grand Sacrifice
[X] [Secondary] Restoration of Order
[X] [Secondary] Restoration of Order x2
Since main GS is already winning the vote.
(Also, i agree, at least for now; while i'd like to switch to balanced, getting more military actions in would be nice, and probably help weapon tech development...)

notgreat · May 21, 2017

So, I was looking at things, and realized something:
We need 5 more stability, but we're at max legitimacy. Isn't this kinda perfectly what Policy - Restoration is great at?

[X] [Main] Expand Economy
[X] [Secondary] Change Policy - Restoration
[X] [Secondary] Enforce Law
Province actions: Unknown exactly, but almost certain to get +2 to +4 Stability.

Killer_Whale · May 21, 2017

[X] Challenge belief (Begins event chain)
[X] [Main] Grand Sacrifice
[X] [Secondary] Restoration of Order
[X] [Secondary] Restoration of Order x2

Glassware · May 21, 2017

Abby Normal said:
You might want to switch those around, like so:
[X] Challenge belief (Begins event chain)
[X] [Main] Grand Sacrifice
[X] [Secondary] Restoration of Order
[X] [Secondary] Restoration of Order x2
Since main GS is already winning the vote.
(Also, i agree, at least for now; while i'd like to switch to balanced, getting more military actions in would be nice, and probably help weapon tech development...)

A fair point; not likely we'd see Restoration of Order taken as a secondary...I'll edit it.

pblur · May 21, 2017

[X][Main] Grand Sacrifice
[X][Secondary] Restoration of Order
[X][Secondary] Restoration of Order x2

[X] Challenge belief (Begins event chain)

Again, I don't think we're out of the woods yet militarily. TH is set up to seriously challenge us. Spending a turn of province actions rebuilding Martial seems prudent to me.

This choice also provides the stability we need to handle the event chain, as efficiently and quickly as possible. Here's to upgrading observance!

NotteBoy97 · May 21, 2017

[X] [Main] Grand Sacrifice
[X] [Secondary] Change Policy - Balanced
[X] [Secondary] Expand Economy
[X] Challenge belief (Begins event chain)

Actually changed my mind balance might be better to do especially if redshore will do a survey which if it succeeds will give us another iron mine.

Academia Nut · May 21, 2017

NotteBoy97 said:
Would evolving honor of the elites in certain ways allow us to regain humility or our the two lines directly opposed to each other?

Possibly. They're not entirely opposed but they don't work well together.

Hangwind said:
Assuming the Nomad heroes don't come back, will we start seeing waves of immigrants again?

It depends. The lowlands are actually mostly stable right now, although the Thunder Horse and Thunder Speakers might have their fight spill out further.

Sivantic · May 21, 2017

I find it hilarious that we now have both the quality, and quantity honor trait.

[X] Challenge belief (Begins event chain)
[X] [Main] Grand Sacrifice
[X] [Secondary] Expand Forest - Stallion Tribes
[X] [Secondary] Change Policy - Defense

Stay on defense, Ensure this doesn't have a chance of happening soon.

Challange requires asking questions about our beliefs and why we think so. This leads to scientific thought.

Warlord D Thoran said:
X] Weapons (+2 Econ, +8 Martial, ???)

This is an easy choice

[X] Restore order (Main usage)

Main at least gives us good odds.

[X] Offensive (+1 Stability)

[X] No (-1 Stability, +1 Legitimacy)

These two cancel out so no loss.

Sorry, you were too late

Shard said:
[X] Challenge belief (Begins event chain)[X][Main] Grand Sacrifice
[X][Secondary] Change Policy Balanced

Look, just change policy to Balance and leave it there? Our subordinates have better strats than us.

Your vote is borked.

Hyacinthium · May 21, 2017

Oh boy, Noblity in Humility is gone. I'm low key pissed off now.

fffffffuck

Abby Normal · May 21, 2017

Academia Nut said:
It depends. The lowlands are actually mostly stable right now, although the Thunder Horse and Thunder Speakers might have their fight spill out further.

inb4 crit fail on disease and new plague

Hmm...how does our prestige compare to our neighbors, in a vague IC-knowledge way?

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