Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

Jello_Raptor said:

I would rather look than not.

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Jello_Raptor said:

Oh also add buying a news-bulletin if they have info on the last chuunin exams.

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Jello_Raptor said:

More generally I don't understand the thread's aversion to cheap checks for high payoff longshots.

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OliWhail said:

In which case we have a difference of opinion: I would rather put off looking for tactically valuable resources for one more day of raport building, so that when we look/inquire, they default to giving us the benefit of the doubt.


Ooooh good thought.


Something something pascal's mugging

More seriously, I think that while we agree on the high payoff, I am modeling this as being less cheap and more of a longshot than you.

I guess we could ask - @eaglejarl @Velorien according to what Hazou knows, how unlikely is it Leaf would have common sealing texts and/or common jutsu scrolls for purchase?

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OliWhail said:

[X] Action Plan: Trees Bearing Fruit
This plan assumes the update timeline will start late in the evening of the same day as Ch. 87. The update should not go past going to sleep the night of the following day.

Methods marked with (O) can (in my estimation) more easily occur offscreen than others. If a higher-level point is marked, all sub-points should be treated as marked.

Bold underline bits are activities or information Hazou considers most important to complete or obtain in a timely manner.

Goals

1. Survive.
2. Maintain team sanity and stability.
3. Stay on Jiraiya / Leaf's good side, including our minders.
4. Maintain cover / don't cause any incidents.
5. Get to know more about Leaf / our minders.

Methods

1. Before bed
   1. (O) Does Mari or Kagome know the kind of simple light producing jutsu Team Asuma mentioned?
   2. Ask Kagome how can we make his stay here in Leaf easier
      Spoiler: Details

      1. We know this is a very unpleasant environment for him, and it makes us sad to see him stressed out and unhappy.
      2. Remind him that we're all here to watch each others' backs in case anything does go wrong.
      3. Is there any non-ninjacraft related activity or project he would like to pursue? Woodcarving, painting, cooking?
   3. (O) Sound out the team's views on giving J a tower-lifting prototype
      1. It sounded like he would be willing to give a substantial payment (another favor, when combined with the paralytic?) for it, and it's not like he can't work it out himself given a little bit of time since he's already been given the idea.
   4. (O) Confirm with Noburi that he isn't worried about clan secrets being discernible from him doing repair work, since we assume there are cheating bullshit Hyuuga everywhere.
   5. After meditating upon the day, Hazou comes to conclusions/realization that the doctor was acting funny, and Inoue, Kagome, and Keiko all made valid points in our interactions with him. We should re-examine our interactions -- there might be a bit more to the doctor.
      1. "I never give precise estimates"? A recovery time measured in months? Anything can happen? If it weren't The Guy Who Saved Akane saying it, wouldn't it sound an awful lot like a threat?
2. Spread throughout the day
   1. (O) Dispel periodically
   2. Continue being nice to Team Asuma. Approach the situation from a perspective of genuinely trying to make friends. Throughout the day, as we build up rapport:
      1. If Hazou gets flak for being nice, maintain that with his apprentice indisposed it falls to him to maintain the group's levels of Youth.
      2. Ask about Leaf life trivialities, be willing to share in return
         Spoiler: Suggested topics of conversation

         1. What are Team Asuma's favorite foods?
         2. Share favorite books, especially those others are unlikely to have read.
         3. What do ninjas do here to relax -- Sarutobi mentioned a theater district?
         4. We heard you guys hosted some crazy chuunin exams earlier this year - are you allowed to tell us about those?
            1. Especially the Fourth Hokage's and Kazekage's sons. How did that fight end up going down?
         5. What they think the optimum frequency of dispelling is?
3. Morning activities
   1. (Suggestion to Inoue-sensei) Can minders or the genin taking care of us pass on to J a request for a location to have sensitive team discussions?
   2. (O)
      Spoiler: Wrap up any unfinished shopping

      1. Buy at least one high quality, durable set of shoes for each of us.
      2. See if we can't find a pack of some kind on our shopping trip to disguise Noburi's barrel without compromising function, which preferrably doesn't sacrifice aesthetics.
         1. Reasoning: the visible barrel marks him as a Wakahisa and a Kiri nin. It makes us easy to recognize and thus, potentially, to track. If the Iron Nerve had easily visible markers, Hazou would be looking for ways to hide those too.
      3. Get Noburi spare barrel material
4. Midday activities
   1. Get some light training and sparring in under minder supervision, inviting them to join if they so choose
      1. "Keiko, I assume you have considered the utility of brushing up on wind jutsu?"
      2. "What do you say Akimichi? Loser buys lunch with Jiraiya's money?" (In a joking way, laughing along if anyone implies we're asking him out.)
      3. Confirm whether MEW can be used while airborne, ideally in a way that will produce chakra constructs to avoid permanent modification of the area.
   2. (O) Lunch somewhere - use as opportunity to bring up topics above, esp. favorite books.
   3. (O) Procure reading material
      1. Ask whether there are bookstores we could buy things from, since we cannot borrow from libraries
         1. Also keep an eye out for news bulletins or similar
         2. If there are fun books Akane might enjoy buy some of those. Comics would be perfect since they're low cognitive effort ways to spend time.
         3. Take Iron Nerve notes (in the form of e.g. subvocalizations) of interesting titles and sections, especially of things related to jutsu or seals and their development, or to engineering.
      2. At the library, look over what subjects are available, and see if we can get some light reading material to deliver to / be sent to Akane. Include any of Team Asuma's favorite books from earlier discussion if we think Akane would enjoy them.
         1. Take Iron Nerve notes (in the form of e.g. subvocalizations) of interesting titles and sections, especially of things related to jutsu or seals and their development, or to engineering.
   4. Check back in on Akane like we promised, because we promised.
      Spoiler: Details

      1. Get flowers from the Yamanaka shop following the winning Flower Plan, confirm Akane isn't allergic to any of them, and set them up in her room however she likes.
         1. If they were selected for particularly symbolic reasons, talk about the symbolism, e.g. if we give her a bouquet with red and yellow roses talk about how they mean energy and joy and we hope they'll bring some in along with them, etc. (if they're just pretty, say that if asked)
      2. Start with low tension topics and gauge whether it's safe to move on to bigger ones in the coming days
         1. Our impressions on Konoha - it's big and cosmopolitan and impressive, and we can see how a place like this could raise someone as awesome as she is
         2. Our impressions on our minders - parallels between the teams, their differences in attitudes towards being members of elite clans
         3. What useless things we've been up to during the day
      3. Don't push for a decision about sticking with us, but be willing to discuss it if she brings it up.
         1. It is a big question, and she has plenty of time to make it what with her recuperation.
         2. We won't abandon her either way. She's family.
      4. (O) If she asks for something productive to do, ask about getting her some engineering texts. If there are issues with us having insufficient authorization to access such material, see if there is there someone else who could do so and pass it on.
5. Afternoon/evening activities
   1. ((O) maybe possibly?) Go do the sightseeing part of the trip to the places that were brought up at lunch (War memorial, Hokage monument, parks, theater district....) Generally follow itinerary from Team Asuma here.
   2. If Jiraiya gets back to us quicky on a secure discussion opportunity
      Spoiler: Go there and talk about

      1. Our desire to arrange our mom's extraction from Mist, and our concerns about how that could impact the rest of the group.
         1. Does Inoue-sensei think this is even a feasible thing to ask with a favor, or stacked favors, given Hana's large motivation to defect to work for J specifically and the additional utility she provides to our team in the form of jounin combat strength and decades of experience?
         2. Ask if there is anyone else we would need to extract at the same, and whether we should avoid doing so at all to avoid putting Inoue-senei's family at risk.
            1. Any Wakahisa or Mori clan members would be more difficult to extract but also less likely to provoke huge reprisals from Yagura.
         3. Mom would be a valuable resource, but also an addition to the team - are others okay with that idea?
      2. Communicate Hazou's feelings to Keiko CCnJ style
         Spoiler: Details

         1. "It seems clear to me that there have been several instances over the last few days that I insulted you with how I communicated -- in particular, when discussing your plan of action while in the Summon Realm after we apprehended Arikada, when I suggested a stronger social focus in your training, and potentially when I said you should of course rely mainly on your own judgement when choosing what reward to ask for from Jiraiya. In the first and last cases I felt that I was either laying out shared assumptions, though in the second case I do not feel I communicated my reasoning with anything approaching clarity. What advice would you give me for approaching or phrasing such discussions in the future to ensure we can continue to communicate clearly, since this is an experience I value greatly?"
      3. Check Hazou's understanding of the social manipulations performed by Dr. Yakushi against Inoue-sensei's observations.
         1. Determine team policy on bloodline experimentation: we should all be on the same page (Hazou is ok with observations if they will make the doc happy with us / ensure he keeps Akane healthy: primary concern is safety and clan secrets)
            
         2. Still encourage / be enthusiastic for Noburi on his internship (he gets to learn from the best, cool!)
   3. Game night (Strategic Domination [Hazou should avoid rolling all sixes, giving credence to the lie that Iron Nerve simply involves improved kinesthetics], shogi, go, maybe games that are native to Leaf?)
   4. Say a quiet thank you to Inoue-sensei for taking care of everyone even though we know it's stressful and apologize for jumping the gun at the hospital if it was not already adressed. Accept any resulting hair-ruffles stoically.
   5. (O) Hazou should continue dedicating time to actively de-stressing - meditation, stretching, relaxing in the hot bath - and should encourage others to do so.

Contingencies

1. Don't piss off Leaf
   Spoiler: Details

   1. Be polite to everyone we meet
   2. Listen to our handlers and follow their (reasonable) instructions to the letter
2. However, be suspicious of any Leaf nin who are not Akane, Jiraiya, or Team Asuma.
3. Try to minimize Kagome's stress level by not making him talk too much / interact with non-teammates if he doesn't feel like it, keeping close-by, encouraging him to eat any of the nice food we get that have already been checked for poison, esp. sweets and chocolate.
4. Safety and Security Rules
   Spoiler: Details

   1. Don't split up if at all possible
   2. Keep a watch in our room even at night
   3. Make sure we all have whatever the local equivalent of white flags are
   4. When in public, try to stick to areas with a reasonable number of civilians and other ninja
5. Combat contingencies
   Spoiler: Details

   1. White tactics by default
   2. Use any panic buttons Jiraiya has given us (none yet, sounds like)
   3. Try to leave the city or converge on Jiraiya's office to turn ourselves in. Make sure we're doing the equivalent of waving white flags.
   4. If we aren't able to immediately disengage, end the update for combat planning.
6. Assume we are being spied on at pretty much all times by multiple parties
7. If the topic of why Fire isn't a model for what Hazou wants to acheive comes up again, consider drawing from
   Spoiler: Yet another inspiring speech!

   When you asked why Fire wasn't a utopia, I was confused because you had practically just said the answer yourself: none of the major players can trust each other, because each of them consider only their own people to have any moral weight. And that is what you said, that you would sleep well after killing a foreign citizen to save a Leaf one. Not that you would consider it a necessary tragedy to protect the people you care about, and not that you would devote so much as a second of thought toward avoiding having to make that choice again in the future, and you said all your counterparts in other villages feel the same way.
   
   When the whole world does that, then everyone looks like monsters to everyone else. At that point, it's even easier to say all foreigners are morally irrelevant, trapping the entire world in a spiral of indifference and hatred, so we get the current state of the world even from initial conditions where everyone cares about people outside their clan or their village just slightly too little. And at that point, it becomes impossible to trust one another to do things like build utopias, since all that power looks like a threat.
   
   Which gives us the answer to your original question: the reason Fire isn't a utopia is that even though it's strong, it's not as strong as everyone else all at once, and if you withdraw resources from maintaining your current military dominance to focus on things like civilian wellbeing, other nations will see that apparent weakness as an opportunity to help their people by hurting yours, who as we've established they don't care about. Boom, the next shinobi war. And if you did anything with your vast resources that would put you on a clear trajectory to become strong enough to fight them all off at once, like letting civilians live well enough to lead to significant population growth, the entire world will throw everything they had at you, even though they'd be eviscerated afterwards and have an even harder time stalling civilization's collapse.
   
   They'd do it even if you weren't being hostile, like the world did to Whirlpool. It's probably pretty easy to see from the reversed perspective - if Mist suddenly became insanely good at sealcrafting, and started using it to protect their civilians and grow more food and help all their citizens live comfortably, would you be glad your neighbors were growing happy and prosperous? Or would you see the impending population boom as a threat to be sabotaged and undermined? And if you find a low-risk method that sabotages your enemies' future strength without going to war, well, how could you not take it, even if it's morally horrific and accelerating the gradual downfall of the human race.
   
   You can't build up because you would get smacked down. You can't truly work with other nations to break out of the downward spiral because you won't be trusted and won't trust them, since you both know that trust would be exploited. So Leaf ends up having to contribute to the status quo, even if you guys are better about humanizing the enemy than others, according to Akane. But it isn't working, and something has to change, or everything is going to crumble into dust, and everyone is going to die - including Leaf. So, again, will you help us?
   1. Spoiler: What to do about it?

      Part of that is why we need him on board - preventing wars from breaking out while the fixing is happening, and then figuring out a way to change the incentives that result in things like distrust and scorch squads. Make it so that "cooperate" becomes the winning option even in the non-iterated case of this prisoners' dilemma. (Massively improve agriculture per area to allow consolidation of civilian population? Set up a neurtral third party to arbitrate disputes and hand out the uplift tech on the basis of good behavior?) That, or make Leaf so strong so fast that everyone's best option is to give up, but even then people won't actually be reasonable since they're scared and angry and distrustful. Even if there were a jutsu to magically restore everyone's view of each other as people deserving moral consideration, it wouldn't be anything like a permanent solution, because the cycle would start all over again.
   2. Also, compared to slowly dying villages in the wilderness, and to some extent compared even to Kirigakure, Leaf is fairly utopian already.
8. Plan for talking about rewards with Jiraiya
   Spoiler: Details

   1. Most of these rewards are centered around making us stronger and better assets, so it's against Jiraya's interests to be stingy here
   2. Check if he is okay with us discussing fairly frankly some admitted longshots first; if not, skip this section.
      1. Kurosawa Hana
         1. Getting her out of Kiri
            1. Jounin taijutsu expert with huge reasons to defect to work for him specifically, and would cause Team Uplift to be stronger, safer, saner, enormously grateful, and probably more stable due to her greater experience and mediating influence.
            2. If this is gonna start the Fourth Jashin-damned Shinobi War, obviously not worth it, and is obviously a huge ask in terms of difficulty and risk, but is this a thing we that is even on the table as far as favors, or even accumulated favors?
         2. If not getting her out, how feasible is an attempt to get a message to her, even just "your son is alive and loves you"? In addition to or barring that, could we get information on what she is up to and what her position is in Mist?
      2. Does any kind of pass to cross Fire borders come packaged with Akane's reinstatement and our continued loyalty?
         1. We recognize that this is unlikely due to the need to maintain deniability, but Akane is much less of a carrot if we can't come to see her (if she does not stick with us) / will need to be able to access Leaf resources and her friends and family if she does stick with us.
         2. If J gets smug / team gives us shit for saying we're loyal to Leaf/J, maintain that since we are loyal to Akane who is presumably loyal to Leaf, we are at least second-order loyal to them, and in any case they appear to represent the best chance at fixing things.
         3. If J asks why we're now uncertain whether she'll stick with us, maintain that we are simply planning for all possibilities and that the choice remains hers.
   3. Check if he is okay with us discussing some generalities of less-longshot options before asking for a specific thing
      1. Seal designs: are these even on the table? Would he be willing to give us either an array of low-to-medium level utility seals that he thinks would contribute most to our effectiveness, or to do a deeper dive into e.g. storage seals and the extremes of what they can be used for?
         1. Examples of utility seals ordered by preference
            1. Communication range, especially surreptitiously
            2. Night vision or other sensory enhancements
            3. Advanced alarm seals
            4. Sound muffling seals / other stealth enhancements
            5. Self Contained Breathing Apparatus
               1. Something that lets us breath when there is no clean, breathable air around
            6. Eye, ear and environmental protection
               1. Protection against bright lights and noise
               2. Protection against extreme temperatures
               3. Protection against gas or liquid toxicants that only require skin contact
      2. Jutsu: he said he would get us a teacher at the end of our interactions with him in Yuni - if that no longer holds, how much is he willing to teach us now (e.g. # of techniques at particular ranks - describe the jutsu plan quoted below if prompted)
      3. Can we safely assume we will be given / at least have the chance to buy new ninja gear and essentials, what with our old stuff being potentially biosealer-contaminated?
         1. An up-to-date bingo book or comparable intel would also be really nice but we're not about to spend a favor on it.
      4. Technique Hacking
         1. Is it something we could learn from a favor?
         2. Jiraya's analysis on its usefulness for a team like ours
   4. Are there missions he has planned for us that he can tell us about before we make our decision?
   5. The update should then end for a vote on our reward

   
   The winning plan from the jutsu vote:

Spoiler: Stuff to use later, QMs pls ignore

1. Things to do while in Leaf
   1. Look out for a gift for Keiko
   2. If we meet Lee, challenge him to a friendly spar (of the no-chakra-boost-yes-Roki kind)
   3. Get Akane's family and Lee to visit her in the hospital
2. Lingering Jiraiya Questions
   1. What purpose did lying to us about not knowing the identity of the summon clan serve?
   2. (Think of less insulting ways to phrase this) Why didn't he ever reply via summons, to assign us somewhere / at least give us new recognition codes / at LEAST tell us our codes were out of date / AT LEAST acknowledge that he got our message?? Why didn't we get told how long they would be valid for?
   3. Advice on uplift plans? ("I want your advice as someone who has spent multiple times my lifespan preserving peace and gathering knowledge about the world: in what way can I maximally contribute to improving the state of the world, by which I mean to reduce the exploitation of civilians by ninja, to improve the quality of life for both civilians and ninja, and to reduce and eventually reverse the erosion of civilization by the forces of nature and war?")
   4. Sealing lessons? Access to examples of seals? Don't want to offend Kagome, but this would be an excellent opportunity to pick up new ideas.
   5. How to acquire power inside the current system
   6. Any organizations/groups/polities Jiraya and Leaf would not mind us getting rid of?
      1. You know, just in case we need to acquire limited resources (land, vassals, political legitimacy etc.)

[] Brainstorm Everyone: Scorch Squad Squash
Background

• Kagome suggested that the sparseness of the population is the fundamental reason behind the effectiveness of scorch squads.
  • Can we fix either or both of the contributing problems?
    • The difficulty of patrolling large areas of populated land
    • The difficulty of growing enough food in a small area to support a condensed population
  • Make that technique or technology available
    • globally?
    • to our allies?
  • Doing this might be a quick way to modify the tradeoffs for that method of warfare.
• As discussed in the thread, there is an additional underlying problem of lack of empathy and trust between nations which prevents simple de-escalation.

Some initial brainstorming:

• Teleportation tech like the safety poles/safety sticks in Significant Digits (which we may want to keep for ourselves/Hidden Heaven)
• Automated defenses against ninja (golems? seal-based clones?)
  • Would need to be good enough to stand up to jounin, which implies that this would only be a good solution at much higher power levels than we're currently playing with
• TH-ing plant growth jutsu, or creating relevant seals, or combining existing jutsu and seals in a clever way that optimizes plant growth, or in any way enabling large numbers of people to be fed while being secured against invasion, seige, crop burning...
• Bigger-on-the-inside tech to let people farm in their own homes within cities (heavily modified storage seals?)

Further Steps

• Get others' thoughts/critiques/contributions, and start working on the approach we judge to be most promising
• Learn about current agricultural practices and try to figure out improvements to equipment or techniques (e.g. better fertilizers, seed drills, focused selective breeding...)

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OliWhail said:

Implemented a very conservative version of @Jello_Raptor's bookstore visit plan, holding off on asking about seals or jutsu out loud and confining nerve taking to Iron Nerve recordings, since taking notes in a library/bookstore pattern matches to spy behavior in my mind, even when done openly.

I specified to focus notetaking on seals, jutsu, their development, or engineering.

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• Sealing
• Technique Hacking
• Technique Scrolls
• Woodworking
• Metalworking
• Glassmaking
• Botany
  • Esp. Medicinal/Poisonous
• Cooking
  • Esp. Cookbooks
• Mechanics/Mechanisms
• General Engineering
• Other Random Things that Catch our Fancy

Velorien said:

Yes to shoes and flowers, no to books (you headed straight to Akane from Kabuto's). You did not, however, actually give her the flowers (oops). Retroactive voting permitted on what kind of flowers they were.

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Jello_Raptor said:

Cool. I'd still appreciate adding a more specific list to limit QM effort:

• Sealing
• Technique Hacking
• Technique Scrolls
• Woodworking
• Metalworking
• Glassmaking
• Botany
  • Esp. Medicinal/Poisonous
• Cooking
  • Esp. Cookbooks
• Mechanics/Mechanisms
• General Engineering
• Other Random Things that Catch our Fancy

Just things we might find, so they can give us titles of books with those categories in the postscript. Alternately, if there's a lot of something they can just tell us that (e.g. "There's a variety of cookbooks on all different parts of the elemental nations.")

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OliWhail said:

@Velorien (or @eaglejarl if you have any insight), I am having a lot of trouble understanding how the hell this happened.

It sounds like we successfully bought the flowers. Did we put them somewhere else and forget to bring them to Akane (and nobody pointed it out)? Did we leave them with someone in the waiting room and then leave the hospital without taking them in (and nobody pointed it out)? Did we walk in with them, talk to Akane, and then walk back out still holding them (and nobody pointed it out)??

I'm just so confused.


I'll just go ahead and link this post, if that's ok?

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Jello_Raptor said:

Sure

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OliWhail said:

Added a line about this to my plan - IC justification for Keiko to train to this arbitrary threshold.

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Cariyaga said:

Can we realistically expect to be able to train Stealth in Konoha?

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Cariyaga said:

Also, note in Nobby's training plan that the Medical XP sink is to actually be used at will for its intended purpose

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• If Nobby gets a chance to learn bullshit kung-fu magic doctoring, take it. Use banked XP first.

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CounterBot, version 1.5

Plan name: Trees Bearing Fruit
Voters: @2BR02B, @Anqied, @Cariyaga, @Chronocide, @gbear605, @Jello_Raptor, @Kiba, @Kylinger, @Langevin, @notanautomaton, @OliWhail, @Threnodist, @Traiden
Num votes: 13

Plan name: Ducks in a Row
Voters: @bayesclef, @Kiba, @Langevin, @ProperAttorney, @Radvic, @schlega, @thamuzz, @will408914
Num votes: 8

Plan name: Flower Plan: Ask Ino AND Mari for help
Voters: @Cariyaga, @Jello_Raptor, @Langevin, @thamuzz, @will408914
Num votes: 5

Plan name: Flower Plan: Butea Monosperma
Voters: @Langevin, @OliWhail, @Radvic, @thamuzz, @will408914
Num votes: 5

Plan name: Training Akane: Nope
Voters: @bayesclef, @Jello_Raptor, @OliWhail, @Radvic, @will408914
Num votes: 5

Plan name: Training Hazou: Nope
Voters: @bayesclef, @Jello_Raptor, @OliWhail, @Radvic, @will408914
Num votes: 5

Plan name: Training Keiko: Nope
Voters: @bayesclef, @Jello_Raptor, @OliWhail, @Radvic, @will408914
Num votes: 5

Plan name: Training Noburi: Nope
Voters: @bayesclef, @OliWhail, @Radvic, @will408914
Num votes: 4

Plan name: Flower Plan: Actually ask Ino AND Mari for help, and go with it.
Voters: @Chronocide, @gbear605, @Kylinger
Num votes: 3

Plan name: Flower Plan: Ask Ino for Advice
Voters: @Jello_Raptor, @Langevin, @OliWhail
Num votes: 3

Plan name: Flower Plan: Actually Ask Ino and Mari for Advice.
Voters: @Anqied, @bayesclef
Num votes: 2

Plan name: Flower Plan: Red, Yellow, and Light Pink Roses
Voters: @OliWhail, @schlega
Num votes: 2

Plan name: Reflection
Voters: @Cariyaga, @Citrus
Num votes: 2

Plan name: Training Hazou: Sneaking Up With the Joneses
Voters: @Jello_Raptor, @OliWhail
Num votes: 2

Plan name: Training Keiko: Quiet Breeze
Voters: @Jello_Raptor, @OliWhail
Num votes: 2

Plan name: Training Noburi: Maybe
Voters: @Citrus, @Jello_Raptor
Num votes: 2

Plan name: Training Noburi: Pre-existing Conditioning
Voters: @Jello_Raptor, @OliWhail
Num votes: 2

Plan name: All: One Point Wonder
Voters: @Cariyaga
Num votes: 1

Plan name: Armageddon Initiative.
Voters: @Dark as Silver
Num votes: 1

Plan name: Lore Update: Team Asuma's Perspective on the Human Time Bombs They're Babysitting
Voters: @OliWhail
Num votes: 1

Plan name: Training Hazou : Kinetic Munitions
Voters: @Jello_Raptor
Num votes: 1

Plan name: Training Hazou : None
Voters: @Jello_Raptor
Num votes: 1


Number of voters: 21

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Jello_Raptor said:

I was being sarcastic about "choking with her bare hands". The rest of it is pulled straight from popular stories, including gross mischaracterizations of her wall street speeches2. The fake news machine really exploded right before the election, it was surreal.

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OliWhail said:

"Desire" is somewhat problematic but whatever, I understand we have a number of Hakane shippers in the thread.

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OliWhail said:

I guess we could ask - @eaglejarl @Velorien according to what Hazou knows, how unlikely is it Leaf would have common sealing texts and/or common jutsu scrolls for purchase?

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OliWhail said:

@Velorien (or @eaglejarl if you have any insight), I am having a lot of trouble understanding how the hell this happened.

It sounds like we successfully bought the flowers. Did we put them somewhere else and forget to bring them to Akane (and nobody pointed it out)? Did we leave them with someone in the waiting room and then leave the hospital without taking them in (and nobody pointed it out)? Did we walk in with them, talk to Akane, and then walk back out still holding them (and nobody pointed it out)??

I'm just so confused.

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Velorien said:

Hakane" by analogy to "hagane" (steel)?

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Velorien said:

"Wait, why in the name of the Mizukage's dying anemone of a hairstyle are you still holding those unspecified flowers you bought Akane?"

"I am?! Sorry, sensei, I was going to give them to her, but then she started saying these awful things, and I had to reassure her and the moment never quite seemed right and... I'll go give them to her right now."

"No, you won't, outsider. You've had your visiting time, and she's already asleep. Now begone from my domain, the intensive care ward, lest I have you banned for critical and possibly infectious lack of romantic timing."

"Why does everybody--"

"Don't waste time arguing with her. It's late, and we need be back at our quarters in time to deal with the mid-evening terrified rant."

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