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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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_The_Bomb said:
@Paperclipped @eaglejarl @Velorien
Are there arachnids in the Seventh Path Arachnid Clan that have venom that could feasibly be used again jōnin-level opponents in the Elemental Nations?
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Kagome has not encountered any Arachnids who have battled jōnin-level opponents in the Elemental Nations since the start of the Village Era. Information from before the Village Era would not be reliable since it predates standardised poison resistance conditioning. (Additionally, KDK whether this conditioning is identical across all EN villages, though he is happy to speak at length about horrifying poison-related experiments secretly conducted by various villages on their own ninja.)

In the spirit of player-QM goodwill, we request not to revisit the contentious topic of MfDverse ninja and poison.
 
Velorien said:
In the spirit of player-QM goodwill, we request not to revisit the contentious topic of MfDverse ninja and poison.
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My apologies. I thought there was a change on that front (and thus it was fair game to bump) since you guys just established that Orochimaru makes use of it as a signature move.

Paperclipped said:
"How far does that go, Oro?" Tsunade asked. "Okay, you fight openly with your snake-venom jutsu to capture people, and even the inbred dumbfucks of Moon realize that it's you. Now it's easy for their ninja to run off and gather AMITY. Are we going to slaughter every damn civilian in the village that saw us fight?"
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_The_Bomb said:
My apologies. I thought there was a change on that front (and thus it was fair game to bump) since you guys just established that Orochimaru makes use of it as a signature move.
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It might be relevant if Orochimaru's ninjutsu was just a delivery system for an existing natural venom, but there are plenty of other possibilities that don't require raising this thorny issue (e.g. "the ninjutsu creates a toxic chemical that paralyses tissue exposed to it, so it's easiest to just call it venom for the benefit of ignorant bystanders" or "this snake-like venom is not subject to resistances because Orochimaru invented it himself using S-rank TH/medical/biosealing lore").
 
Velorien said:
It might be relevant if Orochimaru's ninjutsu was just a delivery system for an existing natural venom, but there are plenty of other possibilities that don't require raising this thorny issue (e.g. "the ninjutsu creates a toxic chemical that paralyses tissue exposed to it, so it's easiest to just call it venom for the benefit of ignorant bystanders" or "this snake-like venom is not subject to resistances because Orochimaru invented it himself using S-rank TH/medical/biosealing lore").
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Yes, yes. The point of that quote was not to litigate this topic at all.

I earnestly respect your stated desire to NOT engage with the combat time–relevant poisons contention (hence why I left that question unbumped for so long). I only bumped it now because I genuinely thought there had been a change on that front and added that quote to show why. My apologies if it came across otherwise.

You won't hear from me again on this. 🫡
 
So I got curious about Deidara's dragon and what we could do with the remainder. We know it was literally a ton of explosive clay before Deidara had to start expending it for combat. An example real-life animal that weighs roughly a ton is the hippopotamus. Flesh is roughly the density of water, and clay is roughly half again that, so the dragon started at two-thirds the volume of a hippopotamus. Hippos are 1.5 to 2.5 cubic meters, so about 1 to 1.6 cubic meters for Deidara's dragon before combat. A storage seal can store 100kg or 1 cubic meter of material, whichever is lower. So we should be able to parcel up the dragon across 10 or so storage seals, if it's safe to approach and handle. It seemed relatively stable for explosives judging by how it only blew up when Deidara wanted it to or when it got hit with Lightning, so it should be doable even if it's still explosive.

EJ's given his PONWOG on Discord that creating creatures out of clay probably also required Deidara's bloodline, not just the exploding bits, so th odds of Hazo learning cool similar Earth jutsu are low, but it could maybe serve as inspiration for Earth constructs.
 
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Velorien said:
Furthermore, @faflec, it has been some time since we recognised your endless contributions to the quest as its official Loremaster. Please have 10 XP to all the characters, plus another 10 XP divided as you like between characters of your choice. (As I write this, I can already see you reaching for the irrational numbers, so ordinary natural numbers without mathematical trickery, please.)
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All for Hazou, please.
 
RandomOTP said:
[Insert friendly/teasing comment about Vel making a post that includes the word "y'all," referencing the contagious nature of the American Southern accent, even over textual mediums]
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QM posts are like action plans. One person drafts, then others review and contribute as needed. In this case, you may have an inkling of who did the drafting.
 
Velorien said:
PSA: Game mechanics of the Chapter 700 battle​

There have been a lot of questions about the mechanics of the battle. Hazō wasn't on the field, or even able to SEE the field, so there's no particular reason we should disclose them. On the other hand, y'all have been asking us to be more open and share more, and it's a good thought. In that spirit, here's what happened:

We spent a lot of time debating various factors, including whether or not the assault force would be spotted on the way in. We rolled for that and determined that no, they were not. Therefore, you were going to have the advantage of surprise.

The next question was how effective the RER bombardment would be against Akatsuki's fortress. After some debate, the answer was "extremely effective." Specifically, it would utterly demolish the fortress except for a few heavily reinforced areas that were intended for seal research/production and therefore reinforced out the wazoo.

Next question: which Akatsuki members should be onsite and which, if any, of them would be in a position to be hit by the RER barrage? There were several scenarios that seemed equally plausible, so the discussion took a while. Eventually, we converged on the idea that, after the RER bombardment, only Deidara would be involved in the battle. (Yes, we are being intentionally cagey about whether there were other Akatsuki members onsite. Hopefully no one will be upset if we maintain some semblance of a DM screen.)

We looked at what Deidara's plausible abilities would be and we looked at the absolutely overwhelming force and the excellent tactical doctrine y'all had assembled and we said, "Yeah, no, this is a wipe." As such, we didn't bother rolling anything further. We simply said: you win, he loses. Done.

PS: When asked in Discord whether we had used the combat simulator, EJ said that no, we had modeled this 'old school'. In his literal genie fashion, it should be noted that authorial fiat is the oldest school of narrative battlefield resolution there is.
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Works for me! Thank you for the clarification.
 
Velorien said:
We looked at what Deidara's plausible abilities would be and we looked at the absolutely overwhelming force and the excellent tactical doctrine y'all had assembled and we said, "Yeah, no, this is a wipe." As such, we didn't bother rolling anything further. We simply said: you win, he loses. Done.
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This makes me feel so much less anxiety. From reading the chapter I thought that even though we sent enough fire power to threaten a major village we almost lost against one of the weakest members of Akatsuki. Was so worried that we where absolutely cooked in any future engagements with them
 
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped I haven't been paying too much attention to Kei's character sheet, but I recalled that she had cleared a Leadership stagnancy back in Chapter 698; however, her sheet still has her Leadership domain listed as being stagnant. Was this not updated, xor is Kei just really stagnant in Leadership?
 
[X] Hazō Training Plan: Sorry Ino, It's Time To Go ACE
[X] Action Plan: Aftermath

strange_person said:
As a wilder idea for a more comprehensive solution, how about pinching off Hidden Leaf from the Human path in a temporary, smaller-scale imitation of the way the Summon Realm was created? Anyone who's in the city when the rune activates can walk out more or less normally... but while outside, they're a projected chakra construct like a summon or shadow clone, and if popped reappear safe and sound just inside the city gate they left through. When returning without being popped, they can bring infused seals and non-chakra-bearing creatures or materials (e.g. food and water) back with them, but chakra beasts (including, theoretically, lupchanzen or other internal parasites) and enemy ninja get bounced. No other way in - the relevant type of scroll has not yet been invented.
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I think replicating that particular part of the work of the Sage of Six Paths might be beyond us for a while yet. If nothing else, we know nothing about how the Summoning Scrolls were made, and we can't even study them to find out without frying our brain again. (I don't think we even have a functional IN memory of it, though I could be wrong on that.)

Hmm. Maybe we can look at the Pangolin scroll safely, since we already downloaded it? Probably best not to try right now, though.

(At some point, when we can afford to take a mental Severe, we should really read the Dog Scroll. But that's quite far in the future, given how much stuff we have to do.)

Edit: Actually, I am foolish - we could just study them with SC. We should do that when we have a spare moment.
 
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There's nothing quite like a successful alpha strike. People are going to analyze this battle for thousand of years from now, assuming we survive and everything.

Battle of the Rift: How to do an Alpha Strike 101
 
Kiba said:
There's nothing quite like a successful alpha strike. People are going to analyze this battle for thousand of years from now, assuming we survive and everything.

Battle of the Rift: How to do an Alpha Strike 101
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Enma and Cannai will carry our tale.

Velorien said:
(Yes, we are being intentionally cagey about whether there were other Akatsuki members onsite. Hopefully no one will be upset if we maintain some semblance of a DM screen.)
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@Velorien , @eaglejarl , @Paperclipped

I know Cannai has to go, but can Enma stick around for a bit? I am sure he wants a word with a possible regenerating Hidan.
 
Kiba said:
There's nothing quite like a successful alpha strike. People are going to analyze this battle for thousand of years from now, assuming we survive and everything.

Battle of the Rift: How to do an Alpha Strike 101
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I mean, alpha strikes are literally the foundation of how this setting's combat works...

Jackercracks said:
In the world of Ninja Magic, attack has massively outstripped defence. Jounin generally survive not by tanking hits, but by hitting first, hitting hard, and dodging wherever possible.

It's no accident that most of the S-class ninja in canon have some sort of bullshit defensive or regenerative ability.

Edit: No, we're not going to give you a bullshit defensive or regenerative ability.
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ContextBot said:
I know Cannai has to go, but can Enma stick around for a bit? I am sure he wants a word with a possible regenerating Hidan.
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I feel like it's decently likely Hidan is currently at the town nearby. Though he might have left to come see what all the exploding was about (is the town close enough to tell there are a bunch of explosions going on?)
 
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