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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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T_of_A said:
Not worth the OpSec risk. More people = more opsec risks. We should only bring people if the gain is significant.
I also think that the way the QMs model smart advisors mean we don't actually need a dozen of them. We need one good one with Nara training, and we already have that. Her name is Kei.
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If you value opsec so much, it can be converted into a different risk. Replace one of the chakra batteries with Nara. Same amount of people. Less than 1 fewer chakra battery (Nara has chakra, even if will be less since selected for smarts). So the question is do you consider the marginal intellectual value of a Nara to be worth less than the marginal chakra value of another battery (And I think we are getting 40 or 50 batteries)?
By QM modeling, do you mean spoon shortages making them just think of what's smart and saying that as long as we have one good advisor? Even if that were true, letting that knowledge influence our actions goes against the spirit of simulationism.
 
One of the Leaf chakra batteries. I doubt Leaf will silence their own over something like this. Especially when the message requested Jonin
What is the significant risk?
Edit: i forgot about the Nara assassination concern. Is that a widespread concern?
Edit2: oh if we get the moon folks. The marginal loss of chakra is even less than 1/50 of total chakra
edit3: also why is the gain marginal?
edit4: also we don't ask Shika for help as much as Kei. So you'd expect to see less instances of his advise benefiting us. And even no instances could be possible.
 
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Wait we're still talking about the Project Twilight rename thing, right?

That's a little wordy. Superchiller>SC> Sock. Lets call it a Sock Rune, it gives nothing away and is way less ominous than 'Project Twilight'.
 
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"And where might you be off to?" Mari asked, looking up from the papers she'd been digging through. She was sitting at the kitchen table, which happened to be on the way to the side door of the manor. She was, to use her preferred term, 'slopping around the house' in fuzzy socks and threadbare slippers, wearing a robe that had been washed so many times that it had holes at the hem and a color faded from jewel green to reused-leaves tea.
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I do not care what we call it so long as it's new name isn't descriptive of it. I said "Project Twilight" because that's what people seemed to settle on before.

If you add a bullet to the plan that says:
  • Henceforth, always refer to Superchillers as "Sock Runes"
I will be perfectly happy!

Call it whatever. Just as long as it's not actually descriptive of what the method of action is.
 
_The_Bomb said:
I do not care what we call it so long as it's new name isn't descriptive of it. I said "Project Twilight" because that's what people seemed to settle on before.

If you add a bullet to the plan that says:
  • Henceforth, always refer to Superchillers as "Sock Runes"
I will be perfectly happy!

Call it whatever. Just as long as it's not actually descriptive of what the method of action is.
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I wish we could name it after this idea. Word count is too high, though.
 
Sir Stompy said:
[X] Action Plan: Lunar Eclipse
Word Count: <399
Intended Duration: Until the assault on Moon
  • Bury the practice RER 2.0s
  • Declare (1FP): Hazou advised Naruto to order Leaf Summoners to train CR and get the favor of their Summons, maximizing the chance of them summoning their Boss
  • Concur with Orochimaru's plan.
    • Request his note for rift-runes, or accommodations for accessing them if he's incapacitated.
  • Travel to the rally point and wait for Leaf. Sanity-check the rest of the plan.
    • If Kagome's absence is noted, he opted to go to ground - he knows he's not a useful combatant.
      • If pressed, acknowledge he's afraid of Orochimaru
    • Recruit Dogs
      • Reverse-summon to visit Dogs that might agree to join the Riftwar. (Optimize with the team.)
        • Be respectful. Be mindful we're nothing like Kakashi.
        • Emphasize the fight's importance. Note our service to Dog (message running) despite our war.
        • Accept any refusals gracefully.
      • Prepare runic blanks for the assualts, we'll need Force Domes, Iron Earth, Air Leadeners, Ninja Radars
      • Grind runic veterancy with any additional chakra. Prioritize reducing timeladdered ES checks until there is no need for rerolls on RER 2.0, then infusions for Force Dome, Ninja Radar and RER 2.0 - ideally to the point where they can be timeladdered up once.
        • Bury any practice runes
        • Test how much earth the chakra pillar from a Force Dome can pierce.
  • After Leaf arrives
    • Discuss the attack plan on Moon with Tsunade, Orochimaru, and Mari
      • Brief her on Hazou's runic capabilities
        • If Mari agrees, bring up her ability to lock down multiple ninja with her genjutsu
      • Based on the size of Leaf's forces and the available chakra, come up with an optimized plan for the battle.
      • Ideally we'd lock down their village with a Force Dome/Iron Earth rune, then send in refilled SCs of the three of you to capture their ninja. While tracking and neutralizing any runners with a perimeter of Ninja Radar runes.
      • If anyone balks at mass murder, suggest that we attack anonymously or as a false flag.
        • We could potentially avoid having to silence them for fear of AMITY counterstrike that way.
  • Head to Moon and attack.
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FaintlySorcerous said:
I would like to reiterate my request that we ask Orochimaru for any updated information on the Akatsuki, or any information he may have been reluctant to share earlier. Asking him who came to apprehend him and what condition he left them in is a good starting place, as well as his assessment of Sasori's ability to rebuild his puppet army while managing other projects
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FaintlySorcerous said:
Ditto a more detailed description of the 'fortress' and whatever logistical materials may have begun to move into it
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I'm not sure now is the proper time to ask him for this information. Wouldn't the planning session for the final attack be better? I guess this gives us more time to respond to the information IC. On balance I like the idea. I'll plan to incorporate it into the next round of edits.
 
Sir Stompy said:
Ask Orochimaru he'd be willing to share the details of Akatsuki's attack on him in Leaf while traveling.
  • Did they demonstrate any further capabilities at that time or are there any capabilities not in his dossier that we should be aware of?
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Added these bullet points @FaintlySorcerous

But also rest of the thread too if you have phrasing issues. That often needs work.

We're close to word count limit now btw.
 
Sir Stompy said:
Recruit Dogs
  • Reverse-summon to visit Dogs that might agree to join the Riftwar. (Optimize with the team.)
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My suggestion:
  • Visit Dog
    • Meet with Dogs who might agree to join the Riftwar. (Optimize with the team, consult with Cannai.)
It's one word more but I'd like to be clear that we're not just having Uplift make suggestions, but Cannai too. His input is probably a lot more important.

Other than that, I'm very happy with the plan as it is now. Thank you very much, @Sir Stompy!
 
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FaintlySorcerous said:
My suggestion:
  • Visit Dog
    • Meet with Dogs who might agree to join the Riftwar. (Optimize with the team, consult with Cannai.)
It's one word more but I'd like to be clear that we're not just having Uplift make suggestions, but Cannai too. His input is probably a lot more important.

Other than that, I'm very happy with the plan as it is now. Thank you very much, @Sir Stompy!
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All set boss. Glad you like it
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
With runes we can put up anti-nuke wards that keep major population centers safe.
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I don't follow this one. Is the idea that Hazō spends his life travelling and running? And every other village just accepts that if Hazō dies then they're fucked? And this lasts for more than, say, a single yea before runes get reinvented, reintroducing new undefended weapons?

And how does this defensive rune work anyway? So let's say it keeps the occupant fully shielded against the wind, cold, flying objects, etc. that amount if you cast EM above it and have it rain on down. So, what do you do if someone cast ten of those in the air a short time before Hazō journeys over to renew the dome? Is Hazō expected to seal his way through the winds and oceans of liquid air? What if someone is like 'hey we're trying to kill a village here, go away'; does Hazō fight them?
 
@Sir Stompy

A very strong argument to recruit dogs is that they can support the Alpha when he's at his most vulnerable. One stress pops him and takes him off the lines at Leopard for weeks. Backing him up is a great way to defend Dog against Leopard.

The smaller dogs aren't disabled for long when poped, and Strength of the Pack means that a pile of strong dogs is an *enormous* combat buff to Cannai.

Could you add "support the Alpha, so he can promptly return to the Leopard front" rhetoric to the plan?
 
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Left-Hand Mutant said:
@Sir Stompy

A very strong argument to recruit dogs is that they can support the Alpha when he's at his most vulnerable. One stress pops him and takes him off the lines at Leopard for weeks. Backing him up is a great way to defend Dog against Leopard.

The smaller dogs aren't disabled for long when poped, and Strength of the Pack means that a pile of strong dogs is an *enormous* combat buff to Cannai.

Could you add "support the Alpha, so he can promptly return to the Leopard front" rhetoric to the plan?
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/pedantry Summons get their full stress track but cannot take Consequences. Cannai likely can take 5 stress before he pops.

Sounds good otherwise

EDIT: /additional pedantry, due to the vagaries of stress tracks Cannai could technically take 1+2+3+4+∞ = 10 + ∞ stress before popping.
 
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Sir Stompy said:
[X] Action Plan: Lunar Eclipse
Word Count: 399
Intended Duration: Until the assault on Moon
  • Bury the practice RER 2.0s
  • Declare (1FP): Hazou advised Naruto to order Leaf Summoners to train CR and get the favor of their Summons, maximizing the chance of them summoning their Boss
  • Concur with Orochimaru's plan.
    • Request his note for rift-runes, or accommodations for accessing them if he's incapacitated.
    • While traveling -- Is he willing to share the details of Akatsuki's attack on him in Leaf?
      • Did they demonstrate any further capabilities then, or do they have capabilities not in his dossier that we should be aware of?
  • Travel to the rally point and wait for Leaf. Sanity-check the rest.
    • If Kagome's absence is noted, he opted to go to ground - he knows he's not a useful combatant.
      • If pressed, acknowledge he's afraid of Orochimaru
    • Visit Dog
      • Meet with strong Dogs who might agree to join the Riftwar. (Optimize with the team, consult with Cannai.)
      • Be respectful. Be mindful we're nothing like Kakashi.
      • Emphasize the fight's importance. Note our service to Dog (message running) despite ourwar.
        • Opportunity to support the Alpha, so he can smoothly return to Dog's war
      • Accept any refusals gracefully.
      • Prepare runic blanks for the assualts, we'll need Force Domes, Iron Earth, Air Leadeners, Ninja Radars
        • Prepare a superchiller blank in secret
      • Grind runic veterancy with any additional chakra. Prioritize reducing timeladdered ES checks until there is no need for rerolls on RER 2.0, then infusions for Force Dome, Ninja Radar and RER 2.0 - ideally to the point where they can be timeladdered up once.
        • Bury any practice runes
        • Test how much earth the chakra pillar from a Force Dome can pierce.
  • After Leaf arrives
    • Discuss the attack plan on Moon with Tsunade, Orochimaru, and Mari
      • Brief her on Hazou's runic capabilities
        • If Mari agrees, bring up her ability to lock down multiple ninja with her genjutsu
      • Based on the size of Leaf's forces and the available chakra, come up with an optimized plan for the battle.
      • Ideally we'd lock down their village with a Force Dome/Iron Earth rune, then send in refilled SCs of the three of you to capture their ninja. While tracking and neutralizing any runners with a perimeter of Ninja Radar runes.
      • If anyone balks at mass murder, suggest that we attack anonymously or as a false flag.
        • We could potentially avoid having to silence them for fear of AMITY counterstrike that way.
  • Head to Moon and attack.
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Okay plan is now 399, soft lock on additional content. But still willing to make changes.
 
Veedrac said:
I don't follow this one. Is the idea that Hazō spends his life travelling and running? And every other village just accepts that if Hazō dies then they're fucked? And this lasts for more than, say, a single yea before runes get reinvented, reintroducing new undefended weapons?

And how does this defensive rune work anyway? So let's say it keeps the occupant fully shielded against the wind, cold, flying objects, etc. that amount if you cast EM above it and have it rain on down. So, what do you do if someone cast ten of those in the air a short time before Hazō journeys over to renew the dome? Is Hazō expected to seal his way through the winds and oceans of liquid air? What if someone is like 'hey we're trying to kill a village here, go away'; does Hazō fight them?
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Going by Icarus Rune specs, it kind of looks like if we set our sights on a "no EM in this AoE" rune it might have an utterly bonkers radius. A full-size Icarus Rune has a radius of 12.5 kilometers, and if we can match that on the EM ward then it might legitimately not be possible to get high enough above the ward to assault the city that way. It's not a given, but it honestly looks pretty reasonable that we could make an actually-effective EM ward rune.

The other part... yeah. If safety against nuclear war is maintained solely by one ninja and his ultra-esoteric discipline, it's a very fragile safety that outright cannot be expected to last long. But hey, thinking positively, maybe a few decades of breathing room will let Hazou cook up some other, more permanent solution! Or at least, as vague as that hope is it's reasonable enough that I can't outright call the strategy unviable. It's just... rough, on top of the other flaws I mentioned previously. I do think if it were solely up to me I wouldn't have wagered everything on a bet this shady.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
Going by Icarus Rune specs, it kind of looks like if we set our sights on a "no EM in this AoE" rune it might have an utterly bonkers radius. A full-size Icarus Rune has a radius of 12.5 kilometers, and if we can match that on the EM ward then it might legitimately not be possible to get high enough above the ward to assault the city that way.
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That would definitely help, though I'm not sure it would work per se. For example, what if they cast it upriver? What if they cast 30 of them around the city; would it remain habitable? I do think you avoid instant destruction scenarios but I'm not convinced that even helps if you can't also tell who was responsible.
 
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