One part of me thinks that we can pare down the Intel team to just Mari and Kagome: Mari to gather intel and Kagome to relay it back. Mari would be best off as a solo operative, and Kagome is perfectly capable of securing a perimeter on his own. Following this thought, we could send just those two over to Leaf and keep everyone else with Hazou.

The other part of me is worried about bringing anyone else to Rice with Hazou if Mari isn't also with us. Mari's the strongest member of the team, the only one who Orochimaru would even register as a plausible foe. Bringing bodyguards doesn't help when we reach Oro, and may even work against us: my read of Orochimaru is that he's likely to respect us a little more - just a bit - if we're approaching him on our own, man to man, instead of at the head of an unimpressive motley crew.

(As a side-note, Noburi of all people should not come within reach of Oro in conditions like these. The risk of Oro saying "I need his bloodline more than you do" and just taking him is way too high.)

So, if they shouldn't come with us to Rice, and they're just not necessary on the Intel Team, we could just send them over with Kagome to wait until Oro talks conclude. We could also instead bring them with us to Rice but then have them stay away from the meeting anyways. The best configurations for the Oro team are probably "Everyone in Team Uplift", "Hazou and Mari", and "just Hazou", but if we want Mari at Leaf to get information/make contact then the only available configuration is "just Hazou".

Does that make sense?
This makes perfect sense, and I'm glad we're thinking along similar lines.

The minimum intel team could totally be Mari and Kagome.
I wanted to send other people with them as a mix of keeping them away from Oro, giving extra manpower to investigate faster, and extra firepower to easily disable and interrogate a patrol.

I agree with your preferred teams for talking to Oro, and that the distinction between "people camping with Hazou 50 miles from the meeting spot" and "people who will approach the meeting spot with Hazou" is important.
If we decide to make contact with Oro, Noburi and Yuno should pack up and head to randevoux with Mari while Hazou heads over to talk to Oro. Having them around would just make talking to Oro harder, and put them in danger.

"What to do with Noburi" is a somewhat awkward question, as Idealy he'd be with Mari's team near Leaf. but he's the best person to contact Slug/Tsunade, so he can't be mobile on the human path.
we could consider having him reach out to Tsunade ASAP(who knows when she'll summon a slug, anyways?), but then he gets left behind, which is both dangerous and inconveniant, and any rift assult will want to rely on his bloodline.
maybe we put Noburi with the Intel team, and leave Kei behind to contact Tsunade? I don't love that, but it might make sense.
I'm open to ideas of how to restructure this.



I like Rafin's solution, namely explaining our intentions to Cannai and trusting him to handle it (and decide on the details of an oath if he thinks one is necessary).
yeah, that's probaly pretty good. little worried what happens if Cannai dies, but it's also unclear to me if Boss-oathes are heritable or not, so...

Certainly wouldn't go to Oro, Itachi, or Kisame, since they're already summoners. If one of them hands the dog scroll to someone who Cannai wouldn't personally trust with world-shattering power, such as a random apprentice biosealer or Jashin cultist, Cannai can simply choose not to share the cache - rejecting the candidate outright as a potential Dog Summoner, or saying "you haven't earned that yet" and then handing the entire cache to the next Bear Summoner before they do.
The oath would be "don't share it with anyone off this list," not "you must promptly and unconditionally share it with everyone on this list." I think Cannai would be able to understand the difference and exercise discretion appropriately. Or at least, that's a safer bet than anyone else we know who Oro can't casually murder as soon as he sees the need.
Seems like the the rafin solution would also satisfy your concerns, is that so?
 
One part of me thinks that we can pare down the Intel team to just Mari and Kagome: Mari to gather intel and Kagome to relay it back. Mari would be best off as a solo operative, and Kagome is perfectly capable of securing a perimeter on his own. Following this thought, we could send just those two over to Leaf and keep everyone else with Hazou.

The other part of me is worried about bringing anyone else to Rice with Hazou if Mari isn't also with us. Mari's the strongest member of the team, the only one who Orochimaru would even register as a plausible foe. Bringing bodyguards doesn't help when we reach Oro, and may even work against us: my read of Orochimaru is that he's likely to respect us a little more - just a bit - if we're approaching him on our own, man to man, instead of at the head of an unimpressive motley crew.
Could send a shadow clone to meet Oro one-on-one, have the bodyguards hang back with Hazo Prime.
Maybe ask Kei which team she, Tenten, and Snowflake can add more to? Respects her agency and planning specialty.
Seems like the the rafin solution would also satisfy your concerns, is that so?
Advantage to an oath which prohibits Cannai from giving the cache back to Hazo, or destroying it at Hazo's request, is that means the deadman switch can't be disarmed by Oro somehow breaking Hazo's will while retaining the positive relationship with Cannai.
If Cannai is killed and fails to pass on information to the next Dog Boss, that cache becomes just another lost nugget of forbidden lore which someone will eventually randomly stumble across unless Oro manages to find it first. The new Dog Boss will presumably be reluctant to let the Snake Summoner ransack all of Dog for buried treasure, so chances are (from Oro's perspective) some idiot eventually reinvents runecrafting without Kagome-inspired safety procedures, and thereby most likely dooms the world.
Oro doesn't want that to happen, since the world is where he keeps his stuff, so it's potentially still a good deterrent until and unless Hazo gets obnoxious or reckless enough that expected value-over-replacement goes negative.

That said, I think explaining the situation and trusting Cannai to handle details would also be a reasonable approach.
 
Interlude (AU): Marked for Mechanics
Interlude (AU): Marked for Mechanics

If, perhaps, Hazō got a different sealing failure in Chapter 560, Part 2

After minutes of meditation, Hazō opened his eyes. His chakra was as smooth as could be, perfectly under his control. With his gaze soft, his mind still half-present in that world beyond where seals made sense, he extended his hand to the blank and infused.

And, once again, his Sage-damned handwriting got the better of him. His chakra flowed out of the blank through a pair of strokes that were supposed to be parallel and were instead a hair off, and while he tried to abort the infusion, it was too late.

Hazō substituted away and bunkered behind a pair of Multiple Earth Walls while he waited for the sealing failure monstrosity to come out and eat him. After a minute of waiting, he peeked his head out at the clearing where he'd infused.

The blank was there on the small stone pedestal, burnt out but otherwise unharmed. There was no visual indication of any sealing failure that had happened.

Hazō waited attentively for any sign of the failure. Were there unusual sensations in his body or his chakra? No, there were none.

Could he hear an oscillating high-pitched ringing? A ominous low thrum? Voices coming from behind him slightly too quiet to make out what they're saying? No, he just heard the peaceful sound of the day's gentle breeze through the trees surrounding Leaf.

Maybe the sealing failure was a dud, then. He might not even need to tell Kagome-sensei, honestly. His ears were finally recovering from the last lupchanzen check, and he really didn't want another.

Still, he did need to take more care with his infusions and work on his calligraphy to prevent such failures. He wouldn't always be so lucky. He brainstormed potential solutions as he packed up the sealing facility and headed back into Leaf.

o-o-o​

When Hazō got back to the Gōketsu compound on the outskirts of Leaf, he felt that things were wrong. Well, he couldn't see anything wrong, but there was an unmistakable tension in the air.

Jin was manning the entryway to the main house and stared at Hazō a little more aggressively than usual. Kagome and Kazushi were bent over a table analyzing something on a sheet of paper, but it didn't have the air of their rapid-fire discussions about seal theory. It felt more serious.

Hazō carried onwards into the family sitting room, only to catch a snippet of conversation – Yuno asking Noburi something about underwater basket weaving? That didn't make sense, Yuno was the expert in that field.

Hazō entered the room, and Noburi was instantly on his feet.

"Hazō, what's the meaning of this?"

"Of what?"

"Of this!" Noburi waved his hand around his face expressively, as if gesturing to something. Hazō looked around the room, then inspected Noburi closely. "I don't see anything off."

"You don't?" Noburi asked. "Yuno sees it too. So does Kagome and Kazushi and Jin and Haru, and I assume the rest of our ninja, maybe the rest of Leaf, and maybe the civilians too! Did you cause a sealing failure that's messing with our vision?"

Hazō felt his heart sinking. Maybe the sealing failure wasn't a dud. Maybe it was striking at what mattered most.

"I did cause a sealing failure, yes," Hazō said quickly. "I don't see anything wrong. Everything looks normal to me. Can you describe in detail what you're seeing? Figuring it out is the first step to fixing it."

"Well, I don't really know how to describe it," Noburi said with a frown. "It's like a little brick in the corner of my vision, except it has rounded edges. It has a little green square inside it, on the left, and that green square has a white cross on top of it. The white cross isn't centered on the green square – it's shifted up and left. Then, there's some words on it. It says: 'FtD: Gōketsu Noburi'. Which is my name, if you ignore the weird characters at the start."

Hazō blinked.

"Mine looks the same," Yuno said. "Except it has my name instead. 'FtD: Gōketsu Yuno'. But, like Noburi and I were talking about…"

"Well, if I focus really hard on this thing, it… unfolds? It does something my brain can't quite handle, then it's taking up my whole vision. It's mostly white, with these gray lines running up and down and left and right dividing everything up into rectangles, but some of the rectangles are colored in with grays and greens. There's my name again, then it says Male. But after that, it gets really weird. It says 'Unspent XP', then 'Unspent Pangolin XP', then 'Unspent Yamanaka XP', then… Hazō! Why is there a Yamanaka in my mind?"

Hazō didn't answer.

"Hazō? Hazō! What did you do to us?"

"Sorry, Noburi," Hazō said, raising his hands. "It's a lot to take in. I think I made a mistake. I can see that stuff too."

"You can?" Noburi asked. "Then why did I need to describe it all to you?"

"Well, I've always been able to see my own character sheet. At least, I think I have. I don't actually remember before the Swamp too well, but I must have had it even before then."

"Your 'character sheet'? Like a character in an RPG?"

"Yeah," Hazō said. "And now you can see yours too, I guess."

"What does that mean?" Noburi asked. "Are we characters in an RPG?"

"No, we're real," Hazō said. "It's just… well, the RPGs are a lot like real life in many ways, right? This is one of them. The difference is that the mechanics of real life are different than those of RPGs."

"How do you know all about this?" Noburi asked.

Hazō shrugged. "I don't know. I've always been able to see my character sheet, then sometimes I just… get it? I can't explain it better than that, but I can kind of see how everything fits together."

Now probably wasn't the time to tell Noburi that the 'mechanics' of reality weren't actually stable, and that they were constantly changing, adding and removing rules seemingly at random. If at all, that had been what had convinced Hazō that he was real, and not an RPG character. An RPG's rules didn't change, since they were written out in a rulebook, while reality… well, sealmasters had a habit of taking chunks out of reality. In any real world, the rules of reality would necessarily be constantly shifting.

"Okay," Noburi said. "That's a lot to take in. At least I'm not going crazy, I guess? Or at least, not going any crazier than you, which now that I say it doesn't mean much. Sage's balls, does this mean I'm going to be as Hazō-stupid as you now?"

"Hazō-stupid?"

"You know, like smart-stupid. Stupid-smart? Whatever's going on inside your head that makes you figure out a new weapon of mass destruction every other week, and also gives you the guts to propose extorting the Hokage with death-by-S-rank to a different S-rank ninja in the village."

"Fair," Hazō said. "And I don't think so. I mean, it doesn't change anything about you, right? It just gives you a bit more control about how you train, if you want."

"Well, you have a lot of explaining to do," Noburi said.

Hazō sighed. "Yeah, I know. If everyone can see it, I figure I ought to gather everyone up and just give the explanation one time instead of needing to give it over and over."

"You should do that," Noburi said. "Sooner than later. I heard Mari getting angry about Intimidation 40, whatever that means. I think she said that she should be 'way scarier than that'."

Hazō winced. "Okay, so apparently we're going to need to talk about pyramids too. Great."

"Pyramids?" Yuno asked.

"So, when you have skills of a certain level… actually, I'll explain it once everyone is here. Come on, help me gather everyone up."

o-o-o​

"Okay, so… where to begin? Everyone has a bunch of skills. You should be able to see that in the left column. Each skill has a level, which represents how good you are at that skill, and-."

"I will raise a trivial objection," Kei said, raising her hand. "Skills are neither discrete nor finite. Being skilled at certain tasks affects performance on other tasks, so they cannot be cleanly separated in this way. Similarly, there are far too many potential tasks a ninja can do to enumerate. A list of… twenty-five skills is wholly incapable of capturing the diversity of human capabilities."

"Yeah, so there are important exceptions," Hazō said. "Ninjutsu, for example, are easier to learn if you know other ninjutsu, since you get some skills that carry over – so that should answer the discrete question. As to the finite one – you're right, but we can save that for later. As it turns out, we all have infinity skills at level zero. We should shelve that for now though."

"Level 'zero' does not make sense for most of these potential tasks, though," Kei replied. "I would not have zero skill at many endeavors inadequately represented on this sheet. For instance, I see no skill for debate, yet I would expect my long years of pedantry to provide a substantial advantage in that regard."

"That might actually be represented by Rapport or something, and also level 'zero' doesn't mean bad, it just means that you haven't specifically trained it, but really, we should shelve it for now while we focus on the basics. Okay, so each skill has a level – that's the number next to the skill. That represents how good you are at it. Very roughly, for ninja skills, genin have levels between 20 and 40, chūnin are between 40 and 60, and jōnin are between 60 and 80." Hazō heard Akane's charcoal scratching away in her notepad. "I'm not sure what's going on with S-rankers, but maybe they have skills above 80, or if they're just basically jōnin stats with really good jutsu."

"Well, I have a skill above 80," Mari said casually. "And I know I'm pretty awesome, but it still suggests that they can't be that rare."

"You do?" Hazō asked. "Which one!?"

"Why should I tell you?" Mari asked. "What I wanted to ask was: I have Intimidation 40. Does that mean I'm only as scary as a brand-new chūnin? If you say yes, I'm going to call bullshit and walk out, by the way, since I should be way scarier than some snot-nosed kid that got a promotion for punching goats particularly well. No offense to any goat-punchers."

Yūma shrugged. "I use a spear. With Melee Weapons 54 apparently. Wonder if that means I should try learning how to use a sword?"

"You'd pick it up pretty fast," Hazō said. "To answer your question, Mari – yes, you're scarier than a new chūnin. Your base level is lower than a social-spec chūnin who specifically focuses on scaring the shit out of people, but you probably have abilities that boost your effective level way above what any chūnin can do with raw stats."

"You're right," Mari said. "The 'effective' level of Intimidation is in the 50s. Is that one of the bonuses?"

"Oh, that might be your Thousand Yard Stare!" Hazō said.

"'Thousand Yard Stare'?" Mari asked.

"Yeah, it's a, uh, measure of how traumatized you are," Hazō said. "Sorry."

"Right, of course. Glad to know that objective reality is affirming that I'm fucked in the head," Mari said.

"To be fair, probably most jōnin are?" Hazō said. "I've had my brain put through a psychic blender from downloading the Pangolin Scroll and the Great Seal, so I'm probably up there with you at 11, but Kei's only got 7 and Noburi's at 5."

"I knew I was the most well-adjusted member of this family," Noburi said.

"Pardon the foolish question," Kei said. "But Hazō, how are you able to tell what 'Thousand Yard Stare' score I have?"

"Oh, uh… I can see your character sheet."

"That…" Kei paused for a moment. "Intuitively, I am aware that it is an inexplicable grid of numbers produced by a sealing failure. Nonetheless, if this is indeed an inviolable piece of universal substrate making up a part of my existence, your ability to see it without my consent feels remarkably intrusive."

"Well, you did consent, kind of," Hazō said. "When you let me supervise your training."

"I hardly expect that this constitutes an agreement to grant you access to the deepest facets of my being."

"Well, the main thing I can do with it is spend your XP, so it doesn't let me do anything that bad to you – and spending XP still requires that you follow my training suggestions. Really, I can only look. Anything that actually happens is still in your control. Mostly."

"Mostly?"

"Well, sometimes there's inexplicable stuff that happens. XP randomly appearing for no good reason. It's inexplicable, so I can't actually tell you why it happens or how to get control over it."

Kei opened her mouth, then closed it and leaned back into the couch, looking ill.

"Can you explain what XP is?" Akane asked, looking up from her notepad.

"Right, of course!" Hazō said. "So, if you want to level-up a skill, you need to pay XP equal to the skill's new level. So, if you have Taijutsu 30 and you want to level it up to Taijutsu 31, you'd need to pay 31 XP. If you wanted to level up to Taijutsu 32, you'd need to spend 31 plus 32 XP, for 63 XP total."

"That doesn't make sense," Haru said. "No one except apparently you has ever gotten better at Taijutsu by moving numbers around in their head. We go to the training ground and practice new forms, spar, do drills, all that shit."

"Right, I do that too," Hazō said. "But I only get better at Taijutsu when I spend XP on it."

"And you do this… how?" Akane asked.

"I just formulate a really firm intention, I guess."

"Hang on, we skipped over something really important. Hazō, you can see my character sheet? And move around XP on it?" Noburi asked.

Hazō nodded.

"Then you should let me see yours!"

For the first time ever, that button in Hazō's vision expanded. A message written in white text appeared beneath it.

Share with Gōketsu Noburi?
[Yes] || [No]

Hazō considered for a moment, then focused on the [Yes] button. A moment later, Noburi blinked, and his eyes flicked around.

"Hang on," Noburi said. "Hang on just one second, Hazō. You're supposed to be the training expert, right?"

"I'd say I'm pretty comfortable with how this works."

"Then how come you have Alertness 33? Didn't you say that was genin-level?"

Hazō frowned. "Well, technically yes, but I have chakdar-"

"And you have Athletics 37. Is that another genin-level stat I see?"

"Well, it's effectively 40, thanks to the bonus from the Iron Nerve," Hazō said, and he saw Haru's expression sour out of the corner of his eyes. "But like I said, it's not just about the base stat-"

"Hazō, when did you last put XP into combat stats?" Noburi asked incredulously.

"In the Chūnin Exams two years ago," Hazō said through gritted teeth. "But I didn't share this with you expecting you to explain it in detail to everybody, Noburi."

"And no wonder you failed that seal infusion. Look at this Hazō! Craftsmanship (Calligraphy) 29, but Sealing 64!"

"What the fuck is Craftsmanship (Calligraphy)?" Haru asked. "How did you just say parentheses with your mouth?"

"I also have a skill like that," Yuno said. "I have Craftsmanship (Basket Weaving (Underwater)) 10. Who names these skills?"

"You said the ninjutsu have carryover between them? Why not Craftsmanship, since they all share the same name?" Haru asked.

"Yeah, also, what's going on with ninjutsu?" Noburi asked. "How come some of mine say 'Suiton', and others don't?"

"One question at a time, please," Hazō said, raising his hands.

"Is it… good if my Thousand Yard Stare is below 11? Didn't you say it's a good thing somehow?"

"What's a Fate Point?"

"How come Technique Hacking is in my head? I never learned to modify ninjutsu."

"Why is there no XP spent on Clone or Dispel? I spent weeks learning those in the Academy!"

"Can you explain Max Level for Discount Purposes?"

"I think I got it! Look, I did the math. I think I can get Taijutsu 80 for less than 3,000 XP!"

"Hang on, Kei's Athletics and Alertness are both better than mine – is she a better ninja than me!?"

"Why are the Yamanaka showing up inside my head?"

The questions didn't stop until the Tower messenger arrived for Hazō, so that he could brief Asuma on his latest and greatest mistake. Hazō took the interruption gratefully, since it meant that Leaf had managed not to dissolve into chaos under the sealing failure's effects.

Hazō only hoped that he didn't come back to a clan compound of rubble and ash.

o-o-o​

"Well, Akane, I can actually discuss this with you in a way that makes sense now. For your next batch of training, I was thinking that you could level Elemental Mastery to level 40."

"Huh, that's an… interesting idea, Hazō. Why would I do that?"

"I just have a good feeling about it. Elemental Mastery is such a unique technique, and I want to push it to its limits. It feels like the sort of thing that could yield some sort of weaponizable application."

"It's already pretty weaponizable, don't you think? It's a nice area-denial technique in a pinch. Even if it matured into an offensive technique, I wouldn't want to cook people alive with a secondary ninjutsu when I could play to my strengths as a taijutsu specialist instead."

"I was thinking more freezing people alive, like those stories about the Yuki clan."

"Still, getting even a powerful offensive ninjutsu isn't what I need right now. In particular, Elemental Mastery 40 would be what, 610 XP? That's enough for… hang on Hazō, let me get a charcoal."

scribble scribble

"That's enough for Taijutsu 59 and Athletics 56. 4 points of Taijutsu, and 6 points of Athletics – that's a lot, isn't it? I'm still doing missions, and those extra points of Athletics and Taijutsu could maybe provide a valuable safety buffer. Why can't I raise Elemental Mastery more gradually?"

"...yeah, that's sensible. Sorry Akane, I think I let my excitement get the better of me. Also, wow. You've learned the mechanics really quickly."

"What can I say? It's a lot like an extra-complicated board game, and I guess my knack for that carried over."

"Fair enough. Speaking of which, with the sealing failure throwing off my research schedule, I think I actually will be able to make the game night with Ino tomorrow."

"Amazing! Actually, will it be weird seeing her with the failure's effects? What if she wants us to share our sheets with her…?"

"That sounds like a problem for tomorrow-me. I'm sure he'll be great at solving problems. Good night, dear."

"Good night."



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@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped What is Hazou's opinion on how Leaf will respond to us reporting in at this time, and/or how Orochimaru will respond to us going to them first?
HDK, and the rest of the team has no answer either. There's too many options and y'all don't have enough information.

I have to ask, what even is a fortress in a ninja paradigm?
Mostly, a big structure (at least a palisade and maybe an entire building) that will prevent chakra beasts from getting in so the residents can focus on whatever they're doing.

@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped Does Hazou have an inkling of how much more chakra he will need to summon Cannai successfully?
He does not.

If Noburi Prime isn't included in the redistribution,
He is. Shadow Clones have normal(ish) chakra systems, meaning that their chakra counts as internal chakra and when they pop their chakra returns to Noburi's internal reserves, not to his barrel. As per the rules, chakra in excess of your capacity is lost, meaning that when one of his clones pops, Noburi will end up with the amount of chakra in his barrel unchanged and his internal reserves likely restored to 3 CP.

Yes, I thought of both of those arguments too, but Oro doesn't know exactly when Noburi was going to summon Gamahebigai, so he must have left him injured for a significant chunk of time, during which he might have sought medical attention which would reveal the message to others and also potentially damage the message.
Actually, the wounds look pretty fresh. They are at most 24 hours old.

Did we have the Toad swear that oath? If we did this seems like the correct interpretation.
You did, yes. The Toad would likely also have told Orochimaru that the only signal he is permitted to carry back to you is the "return to Leaf" signal.

Not sure if we can ask without putting it into a plan, but may as well: What is the team's estimate of how long we have before Leaf assaults the rift site?
No one on the team has enough information to estimate this.

@eaglejarl @Paperclipped @Velorien Question for Noburi: do civilians have elemental affinities? They don't have a usable level of chakra, but IIUC they still have chakra systems, and we know from Sasha's case that Noburi can identify someone's Element without them ever actually having cast an elemental technique. On the other hand, that did require her to channel her chakra to her hands, which civilians can't do; but Noburi can still drain them, so maybe he can still tell?

Actually, follow-up question; how much chakra does Noburi get from draining the average civilian, relative to ninja reserves? Alternative framing; how many civilians would Noburi have to drain to unconsciousness to refill one genin? (I feel like this one's probably already been answered, so if anyone else knows the answer please feel free to jump in - but I can't easily find it.)

Follow-up to the follow-up; has Noburi (or anyone else in Uplift) ever heard of civilians learning to use chakra, even if they're stuck with barely any reserves? Or are they fundamentally incapable of doing it? If the latter; does Noburi (with his MedKnow 60 and surgical experience) know how exactly civilian chakra systems differ from ninja ones?
Civilians do not have elemental affinities that Noburi has detected and are assumed to have ~1 CP or less. It is axiomatic in the ninja world that civilians cannot learn to use chakra.

@Paperclipped

Is the Rift Rune consumed/destroyed by the Rift that it opens?
No. It does burn out after use.

The lightning [from a Storm Rune] needs room to leave the rune from above, so the rune also can't be effectively used from deep underground unless a shaft is made.
...so it could be deployed underground if a narrow vertical channel was opened via earthshaping? Maybe leaving a thin layer of surface vegetation as concealment during the infusion and activation process, to be blasted out of the way by all that lightning?
Yes, that would work.

What mechanical effect does Minato Seal #8 have?
Tentatively: +AB to MedNin, and either (1) allows use of Examination to study pure chakra effects if you do not have the Sharingan or some other way of studying the chakra effect, or (2) grants +10 to Examination when studying a chakra effect that could have been studied without the seal.

Does the Kagome Sensor Seal, the Minato Sensor Seal, or the Jiraiya Seal that turns chakra visible, provide a buff to THing? Since it would boost Hazou's ability to see what he's doing with chakra while Hacking it?
None of the listed seals provide bonuses to Technique Hacking; hackers are able to perceive their own chakra just fine, so these other methods don't provide additional benefit.
 
(1) allows use of Examination to study pure chakra effects if you do not have the Sharingan or some other way of studying the chakra effect
OK everyone, some of you may remember from a while ago that I was curious whether the only reason that Iron Nerve didn't copy jutsu because it could no longer perceive internal chakra molding like the Sharingan can. I assume pure chakra effects don't include internal chakra molding, but... one step away, eh?
 
He is. Shadow Clones have normal(ish) chakra systems, meaning that their chakra counts as internal chakra and when they pop their chakra returns to Noburi's internal reserves, not to his barrel. As per the rules, chakra in excess of your capacity is lost, meaning that when one of his clones pops, Noburi will end up with the amount of chakra in his barrel unchanged and his internal reserves likely restored to 3 CP.
Potentially important edge case: let's say Noburi makes two shadow clones. Akai One currently has fifty chakra, while Akai Two has a hundred. Akai One pops. How much does Akai Two end up with? Optimistic interpretation would be 125, but if it's all getting redistributed, could be considerably less.
 
Potentially important edge case: let's say Noburi makes two shadow clones. Akai One currently has fifty chakra, while Akai Two has a hundred. Akai One pops. How much does Akai Two end up with? Optimistic interpretation would be 125, but if it's all getting redistributed, could be considerably less.
I'm a little worried that Akai poping might return all it's chakra to Noburi's internal chakra system, overfilling his coils by two orders of magnitude and probably killing him.
 
I'm a little worried that Akai poping might return all it's chakra to Noburi's internal chakra system, overfilling his coils by two orders of magnitude and probably killing him.
Given the below QM quote, Noburi deciding Shadow Clone was safe, and the update where Noburi learned and used Shadow Clone (where the clones had 400 chakra) had him not die, is there any specific reason you feel concerned about this? If it's baseless anxiety, probably best to just ignore it.
He is. Shadow Clones have normal(ish) chakra systems, meaning that their chakra counts as internal chakra and when they pop their chakra returns to Noburi's internal reserves, not to his barrel. As per the rules, chakra in excess of your capacity is lost, meaning that when one of his clones pops, Noburi will end up with the amount of chakra in his barrel unchanged and his internal reserves likely restored to 3 CP.
 
Is the only reason we're not leveling physique to 40 for free that we have a TON of stats we want to get to/into the 40s and further? (Alertness, athletics, etc) Especially double cost ones that will likely stay there for a long while (Chakra, TH)?

Because I definitely get it. But also, an extra stress box is pretty helpful in fights where we're outclassed but not instantly killed. Which, admittedly, isn't any of the ones we're currently looking at. But still. Hard to pass up a free survival upgrade.

For the pyramid, I guess raising Taijutsu to 50 now makes much less sense than raising athletics, or even alertness. Raising calligraphy to 50 isn't a far stretch, but then that's another 50 slot to support skills. Or raise a 10 to a 20 (like TH, and then raise a 20 to 30 (deceit or TH, though that's a lot of XP to stagnancy).

Still, right now we could raise physique and it wouldn't break anything. Thoughts?
 
Still, right now we could raise physique and it wouldn't break anything. Thoughts?
It will block raising Ath 40, is the main reason we're not doing it. We're not in a position to get more 30s unless we eat the notes, but we're not in a position to unstagnate either. So physique is un-bought for now, and CR will likely be the same way.

But don't worry, they will come soon
 
Because I definitely get it. But also, an extra stress box is pretty helpful in fights where we're outclassed but not instantly killed. Which, admittedly, isn't any of the ones we're currently looking at. But still. Hard to pass up a free survival upgrade.

Basically: Athletics/Alertness is better, imo. If we just want more stress boxes, we can level PEA (which we should do anyway, at some point).

Better, I think, to work on "not getting hit" than "surviving a hit."
 
This cannot happen. Excess chakra is lost, it doesn't kill you with overflow (thankfully)
Given the below QM quote, Noburi deciding Shadow Clone was safe, and the update where Noburi learned and used Shadow Clone (where the clones had 400 chakra) had him not die, is there any specific reason you feel concerned about this? If it's baseless anxiety, probably best to just ignore it.
Woah, that was a wild reading error on my part, the answer was right there.
Thanks, you two.
 
Is the only reason we're not leveling physique to 40 for free that we have a TON of stats we want to get to/into the 40s and further? (Alertness, athletics, etc) Especially double cost ones that will likely stay there for a long while (Chakra, TH)?
Yes. Although probably not CR.

Both Ath and Alt need to go to 40 and TH soon afterwards. We desperately need 30s as pyramid supports. So Phys is gonna stay there for a while.
 
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