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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Sir Stompy said:
If we drain Noburi's chakra we can make like 6ish blanks in a day. At the most 24ish total blanks for our attack... Should be quick enough IMO.

You think they don't want to go back even if Oro hits the panic button? Why not?
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Some folks might want to assault the rift site ourselves without involving Leaf at all. If it could be done, then I think most of us would do it.

We'll see how the numbers shake out but like:

eaglejarl said:
Hazō has 483 'points' of runic substrate as of chapter 643. Explosive runes cost 1 (puffer) / 5 (half-strength) / 25 (full-strength) points.
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eaglejarl said:
Hazō completes the Remote Explosive Rune!

Mechanics:
The blank is 5x larger (i.e., consumes 5x more substrate) than an equivalent explosive rune and can be made in the same sizes as an explosive rune (puffer, training, full strength). It is shaped like a point-type crystal instead of being approximately spherical.
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One full strength RER is 125 substrate units. Thats a lot. 20 of them is literally more substrate than we have IIRC.
 
[X] Action Plan: Mari's Big Day
[X] Training Plan (Kei): Pyramid Prep
[X] Training Plan (Noburi): Athletics
[x] Training Hazou: None
 
MMKII said:
Some folks might want to assault the rift site ourselves without involving Leaf at all. If it could be done, then I think most of us would do it.

We'll see how the numbers shake out but like:
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If Leaf is going in, we should go with them. In that scenario it benefits literally no one for us to sit out. That's what I'm pushing back on.

Yeah, we need substrate generation to attack the Rift. I don't think anyone is debating that. Either we go in with Leaf (and get it from Oro) or we do it ourselves -- ideally by THing ES.

If it becomes clear that things are wrapping up and we're approaching go-time on the Uplift Yoink, then it becomes a strong priority to get it. Since in the counterfactual Leaf assault mission we just have Oro make it for us.

I want to delay developing the capacity until it becomes clear that we're going to be close to going in ourselves, or we'd naturally buy the TH. Since otherwise we pay some stiff costs for basically nothing.
 
High Capacity Storage Seal

Seal

Every functionality is stripped out of the storage seal in order to increase the mass it can contain to at least 312.5 kg (the mass of a 125 point rune). Does not need to be reusable, does not need to be single element, does not need to store/unstore things quickly (faster than 1 min). Does need to contain objects of at least 0.2 cubic meters (well within the limits of an ordinary storage seal)
 
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Sir Stompy said:
[X] Action Plan: Mari's Big Day
Word count: 299
Duration: Until either Remote Explosive 2.0 or Rift-Kicker is complete (Until then / 1.4 Solar)
  • Sanity-check all with Kei, Snowflake, and Mari
  • Declare Kagome set a LFE beneath the Storm Rune to destroy it after it burned out
  • Meet with Kei/Snow/Mari
    • We're considering a strike O'Uzu to take the Rift for ourselves, then stay missing while we resurrect our people.
      • Sufficient numbers of Remote Explosivers, plus Rift-Movers and intel-gathering runes should suffice to take the Rift
      • Even an Akatsuki pair will likely go down to massed remote explosive fire (except Konan)
    • Pros:
      • Doesn't risk Orochimaru stealing the Rift for himself.
      • It's somewhat easier. We'd need to kill only 0-2 Akatsuki, and it doesn't endanger Leaf while we explore the afterlife
      • We might be able to disguise it as a sealing failure, or even covertly replace the afterlife rift with a different rift.
    • Cons:
      • We'd have no Leaf S-ranker support.
      • We'd have to do the afterlife exploration unsupported.
    • Is this at all viable?
    • Toad and Snake are relatively close, can Noburi get Gamabunta to agree to to pass a message to Orochimaru?
      • Bring Noburi in on this
      • We'd have to circumvent the oaths gracefully.
  • Mari can you go to the intel dealer --Syōma-- in Marsh? You have carte blanche to spend our gems/gold. Get us information, focus on any news of Leaf or Akatsuki.
    • However, if Akatsuki has made coercive threats, Hazou doesn't need to know.
    • End the update if she's late returning.
  • Research
    • No-prep research Air Leadener and Banshee Lover until Air Leadener completes
    • DoB track 1: Ninja Radar -> Explosiver -> Remote Explosive 2.0
      • If Explosiver is Hard, try a TN120 version. If that is Hard, end the update
    • DoB track 2: Rift-unanchoring -> Rift-kicking
    • Non-DoB track: finish Banshee Lover -> High Capacity Storage (skip if jounin or higher) -> KISS -> Coloured Strobe
      • (If applicable) work with Tenten on KISS specifications, design, and testing.
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Alright made some edits to the plan, kinda major ones this late in the cycle (my apologies) -- I accept all the blame if they turn out poorly.

The most significant change is that I have High Capacity Storage seals on the off-track after finishing Banshee Lover.
 
[X] Armageddon Initiative

Sir Stompy said:
High Capacity Storage Seal

Seal

Every functionality is stripped out of the storage seal in order to increase the mass it can contain to at least 312.5 kg (the mass of a 125 point rune). Does not need to be reusable, does not need to be single element, does not need to store/unstore things quickly (faster than 1 min). Does need to contain objects of at least 0.12 cubic meters (well within the limits of an ordinary storage seal)
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Sad to see KISS and Coloured strobe get deprioitised again, but easy transport of runic blanks is way more important, good call.

0.12 cubic meters is very small, what runes is this designed for? There's no way to fit a large rune blank in that small a space, is there?

Also is this future-proofed? I assume that explosiver runes will be at least 5x the size of explosive runes. If so, the Remote Explosive Rune 2.0 will be at least 5x the size of our current Remote Explosives.
 
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Left-Hand Mutant said:
Sad to see KISS and Coloured strobe get deprioitised again, but easy transport of runic blanks is way more important, good call.

0.12 cubic meters is very small, what runes is this designed for? There's no way to fit a large rune blank in that small a space, is there?

Also is this future-proofed? I assume that explosiver runes will be at least 5x the size of explosive runes. If so, the Remote Explosive Rune 2.0 will be at least 5x the size of our current Remote Explosives.
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It's not future proofed, at that size (1500+kg) we'd very likely need to devote a DoB track to it. If it's possible at all.

0.12 cubic meters is how much volume that mass of substrate occupies (its actually ~0.115) based on a density of 2.65kg/L (granite)
 
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Sir Stompy said:
Alright made some edits to the plan, kinda major ones this late in the cycle (my apologies) -- I accept all the blame if they turn out poorly.

The most significant change is that I have High Capacity Storage seals on the off-track after finishing Banshee Lover.
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No, no, you say the players are meanies and didn't tell you your plan was bad and voted for it anyway.
 
RandomOTP said:

BoC 20 Substrate Tweak



TypeManuver
ElementEarth
Effect 4+150
DurationConcentration+50
Durabilityn/a
Range-2 (personal)only stone you're touching
Casting Speedseveral minutes-30
AoESame Zone+40
AdvantagePermanent Effect+10
Advantagecan mold non-manually with time penalty+30
Disadvantage Breaks Very Painfully-30(?)
Disadvantage Lingering Major Alertness Debuff (-3AB)-40(?)
DisadvantageElemental Requirement-20
Disadvantage increased ongoing chakra cost-20(?)
TotalsChakra: 28+ ongoingStrain: 140

BoC, but...
  • Unlocks viable substrate at level 20 instead of 30 (locks this Tweak into Effect 4, which is when the OG BoC would've unlocked the substrate capability)
  • Much-reduced AoE
  • Creates an extremely intense case of tunnel vision, allowing for a more precise manipulation of one's chakra into the material, increasing the 2*AB Alertness debuff to a 3*AB Alertness debuff. This debuff lingers for the next "several hours," according to the time ladder, representing the difficulty in refocusing outside of the tunnel vision (subjective time).
  • Failure to pay chakra costs or losing contact with the manipulated sample results in the standard 3+(Effect) physical stress, but also automatically inflicts a Mental Mild Consequence ("dazed") to represent the violence of breaking such an intense tunnel vision.
  • Ongoing Chakra costs to transform material into valid substrate is 3 chakra/minute, instead of the prior 2 chakra/minute.
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I feel like this is going to be harder, since this is likely a technique made by orochimaru that's already likely a modified version of ES or something, but it still might be worth trying?
 
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Halberdier said:
I feel like this is going to be harder, since this is likely a technique made by orochimaru that's already a modified version of ES or something, but it still might be worth trying?
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Not nearly as difficult as if first seems...
  • It's a Tweak, and Tweaks have a higher power threshold than seals or making completely new ninjutsu (since Tweaks cannot be taught/proliferated). As in, Paper has commented that many Essies use Tweaks as a way to achieve power. Haruhisa failed, in part, because he was trying to make a brand new ninjutsu, rather than just Tweaking an existing jutsu that is already designed to make substrate.
  • Orochimaru took ES (which unlocks substrate at an unknown level), and lowered the threshold for making substrate in exchange for ripping out all of the excess unlocks that Hazou benefits from with ES50. We're going to be taking it a step further, and ripping out it's functionality as a "PS Calligraphy stat," in exchange for lowering the Substrate threshold a little more (BoC 20, instead of 30).
  • Edit: we're also stacking some pretty gnarly debuffs to lower the TN, while still making it a viable substrate-making-ninjutsu
  • Hazou's PS 60+, in addition to the sheer amount of nonstop Runecrafting that he's been doing for the past [many] months means that Hazou is very familiar with the inner makeup of Runic Substrate, and what makes Valid Substrate a valid, infusible material. So he has a clearer idea of what to make, as opposed to Haruhisa, who lacked such personal insight.
That said, the Tweak I have now actually implies that Hazou is going to unlock substrate at BoC 1 (since the statblock has it defaulting to Effect 4). I'll need to go in and rework it so that it scales up from Effect 2 at level 1, to Effect 4 at level 20. But that was a mistake on my part, and needs to be fixed.
 
I do think that, hm... There's a lot to be said for creating techniques that are genuinely very bad in lots and lots of situations, even the most common, but a silver bullet in one specific one. I think this is the kind of thing we can expect out of Itachi and Kisame.

For instance: Consider a jutsu with a range of one zone that takes minutes to cast, requires you to be immobile for the duration, and breaks painfully, but in exchange is Weapons: 4 and rolls at +3*AB, and benefits from your other buffs.

Completely useless for most people and most times. However, if you had a secondary technique that increased the range of any jutsu by 3 or 4 zones, and were good at stealth, it suddenly becomes very good, and having access to silver bullets like that gives you something to optimize your approach around.
 
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Sir Stompy said:
Probably gonna be a runic failure. If I had to guess.
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Nah, some high-tier character in the know is going to finally give us the lore and the sequence of events that have fucked up this setting (recently or 1000 years ago) and the kid is going to bluescreen and go on a 7-chapter long Kei-esque rant about how ninja who have more muscle fibers or chakra reserves than brain cells shouldn't be allowed to chew gum and talk at the same time, let alone do anything impactful.

Then they kill us.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Velorien on Oct 30, 2024 at 9:57 AM, finished with 355 posts and 20 votes.
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MMKII said:
Nah, some high-tier character in the know is going to finally give us the lore and the sequence of events that have fucked up this setting (recently or 1000 years ago) and the kid is going to bluescreen and go on a 7-chapter long Kei-esque rant about how ninja who have more muscle fibers or chakra reserves than brain cells shouldn't be allowed to chew gum and talk at the same time, let alone do anything impactful.

Then they kill us.
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They kill us partway through but we finish our rant in the afterlife.
 
Velorien said:
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Itachi lost a leg*, and then hears about Wild Weather over in (what was it, Marsh?)... at this point, he might begin to think what happened to Isan was genuinely just naturally bad weather. Bad luck all around :V

*or whatever nebulous injury he received in the canon(?) update
 
MMKII said:
Nah, some high-tier character in the know is going to finally give us the lore and the sequence of events that have fucked up this setting (recently or 1000 years ago) and the kid is going to bluescreen and go on a 7-chapter long Kei-esque rant about how ninja who have more muscle fibers or chakra reserves than brain cells shouldn't be allowed to chew gum and talk at the same time, let alone do anything impactful.

Then they kill us.
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We will die as we have lived. Unremorseful to the last. Beautiful
 
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